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A well respected Muley aficionado, paid me a visit today & informed my that the feller that bought the Govenors muley tag(Utah)has not found his deer yet & only 4 days remain till the tag expires, I gave tips on some big deer I have been watching & none, fit the hunters desires of Non-typical trash.
All the while I'm having this conversation I'm thinking to myself ......WTF ?
This hunter must have one complicated life + bukoo business obligations to wait till the last week of the year, to light a fire under his ass & get serious about punching a tag that cost a meager 50g's.
All the sudden my life seems very sweet & simple.
what's your oppinions, would you rather the hunter not score & pay for his lazee-fare aproach, or score & promote future big $$$$$ tag sales ?
Please don't turn this into a "I told you no Trophy deer exist in utah soap box".
 
Im never one to wish bad luck upon a hunter....so I wont say that I hope he doesnt get his buck......but Im not going to be saddened it he doesnt. Heck, his 50g's have already been spent, and if he leaves without taking one of the Utah trohies that really do exist, then oh well.
 
What? He can't find a Utah 2 Point to his liking? I guess he should have read all the posts on here 'bout the Decline of Trophy Mule Deer before he bought his tag. Then he could have saved his money and actually had a good vacation somewhere where there's sandy beaches and lots of T&A. LOL!
 
I wouldn't tell him squat.........and let a trophy live. I do not feel sorry for somebody who just invested 50,000 dollars and then has a lack a daisackel attittude towards it. These governer tags are exactly part of the problem. When somebody pays 50 g's, they damn well feel like they have the right to harvest a buck.......and then the ethics slip........and then we have all of the things that come with that (tune the chute plane up).......much better to just have a lottery that everybody in the state can buy a $20 dollar ticket and have a raffle. It will raise MORE money and most of the time a normal guy will draw the tag and honestly and ethically take the first nice 25" that he sees. All the governer tag is is boon to the guiding industry because usually the guy who forks over the 50 grand for the tag then forks over another 10 grand for a guide.
 
Alot of those guys have so much money it's no big deal if he doesn't get one. He won't be the first and he'll just buy another tag next year. I wouldn't waste 2 minutes even thinking about him or his tag and I wouldn't tell about even a trophy spike.

JB
 
I'm sure it's all a tax write-off anyway, so blowing 50k is no big deal. Man, how would it be?

Just my opinion, but I don't really consider the Governor's tag hunting. It's more like shooting a target. I'm sure there are guys out spotting, who will earn a hefty finders fee for the right buck, but other than that, it's a rich guy pulling the trigger, with not much hunting involved on his part.
 
I'll Disagree with you guys. You don't know (Just Asume) that this Guy was Slacking. He could have had alot of prior Obligations or tragities in his life that made it so He couldn't go hunting.

If I was to hunt Elk in Idaho for bow, I'd wait till the Last week to go, I';d take that week off and do what I could and Ask for Help if need be. whether I had 100 MILLION in the Bank or Only $100 , It wouldn't be any different.

I know ALOT of Guys with ALOT of Money that take hunting serious. Just because Someone has 50k to Spend on a Tag, doen't mean he/she isn't a hunter. It just means they HAve alot of MONEY :)

Grant it, the way you're decribing it he's probably a Dusch bag and doesn't deserve the help, but I jsut don't know for sure .


  • [*] -Moosie
~~If you're going to walk on thin ice, Ya might as Well DANCE !!
WALK the TALK, Or shut the HECK UP !!
 
BCBOY

NOW DO YOU BELIEVE ME THERE AIN'T NO 50,000 DOLLAR DEER LEFT IN UTAH???YOU THOUGHT I WAS BULLSHIPPING YOU AGAIN DIDN'T YOU???

B_F_D_ I MEAN E_

YOU PROBABLY SHOT THE BUCK HE WANTED ON HIS WALL,TELL US THE TRUTH,HOW MUCH DID HE OFFER YOU FOR THAT BUCK ON YOUR WALL,OR IS IT STILL AT THE TAXIDERMY???

YOU SEE IT'S A SMALL WORLD,THE WORD AND PROOF IS OUT,B_F_E_ KILLS A NICE BUCK AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW HE'S GOT CLIENTS SHOWING UP AT HIS HOUSE!!!

TRUTHFULLY,B_F_E_,HOW MUCH WAS OFFERED???

WOULD YOU SHOW HIM THAT MONSTER BUCK YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS OR NOT???

DID THIS GUY PUT THE EFFORT INTO THE HUNT OR DID HE WAIT TILL THE LAST FEW DAYS TO SCORE???

THE ONLY bobcat WONDERING IF THERE IS A 50K DEER LEFT IN THIS STATE???
 
I agree with Moosie. Why trash a guy with rumors when you don't know anything about him. Sounds like jealousy to me. Who among us would't have bought a tag like that if we had the money? As far as it being a tax write off, I am not sure that it is. However, even so, the most he could save on his taxes would be around 38 cents on each dollar he spent. In other words, for a $50,000 donation, he would save around $19,000 in taxes and be out of pocket $31,000. That is a lot of "bucks" to spend for a buck.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
There is no blame to be placed if a guy is passing up bucks he isn't going to be happy with. Would you rather he shoot it and not be satisfied? My standards would be pretty darn high if I had the tag. But I would have already had his skull boiled out at this point.
 
A different hunter had the tag last year and he never even came to Utah. Nobody found him a deer that he wanted, including a couple 200 inch typicals.

The guy that bought the tag this year at the Provo SFW banquet said that they were hoping to shoot a 250 class they had watched last year. Hopefully the guy doesn't shoot a thing.
 
True we may not not what kind of a person he is other than rich. I wish him luck but at the same time I can't feel sorry for a guy that has that much money to drop for a hunt if he doesn't get his deer.
 
Moosie, didn't want to disparage Mr. $$$ at all, I'ts likely this feller has been a slave to developing that kind of revenue producing business intrests(simular to yourself):D
I simply would never sign up for that life, if I didn't have the time to take advantage of what a sweet oppurtunity all those $$$ has afforded him.

I understand any moneys paid that would be considered above the actual value of a tag are considered tax deductable, so if the tag has a 10g value then 40g's would be considered a charitable contribution. Kind of like if the UDWR is ringing the bell in front of the Wall-Mart.

Bobcat, primarily typical BFD live here in BFE, so I didn't have to negotiate how much I can be bought for.
 
You would think that the condition that the Utah deer herd
is in (at least according to all the experts here on this site)
that people would be happy someone paid 50,000 for one tag!!!
I would find it very hard to believe that the Utah game dept.
would squander this cash outside of the muledeer herd...Too many
eyes on a political issue as this..But possibly they do, it's still money in their coffers they otherwise would'nt have...
So the question really is why does one deer,one great buck,a buck that helps get everyone excited about saving the deer in
Utah get under sooo many people's skin? The only real answer
is in the mirror each morning when nobody else is around!!!
One thing is for sure, if one great buck killed this year matters so much to your deer herd, then nobody should be
hunting!!!As for me, I wish the man good luck these last few
days and maybe someone will pay even more next year to help
rejuvinate a deer population in trouble!!I cannot afford a tag
of that nature but I own my own buisness and I work hard so
I can afford to hunt,ALOT, and try to have the best equiptment I can and do so without affecting my family..So if working your
butt off to have money to be able to hunt when YOU want to is
a bad thing, then put me in this hell-saken group of people
as well..People should not be judged by how rich or how poor you are or how smart or how DUMB you are!!!Time will tell what kind of man this guy is...One last question.....If a common man of
meager means sells all his worldly possesions to fill his life
long dream of getting a muledeer so large, so jaw droppin'
unreal, are you going to bash him also??? Look in the mirror in the morning if the answer is yes!!
Seeya, Ray
 
I personally would help a guy out in a situation like that because in his heart he will always know who's help he got whether he said he got it on his own. Helping out a guy whether he has money or not is what I thought hunting was all about. I know giving out info on hunting spots could lead to a disaster to your spots. But I like the feeling it gives myself of knowing I helped someone fill there tag. That would be the ultimate for me to help someone fill a tag like that.
Just my opinion.

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Heck I would help him.....Imagine what kind of finders fee a 50,000 dollar deer would bring!
 
Hell I know the guy that has the state wide tag for nevada deer.He's hunted for 27 days so far passing on several B+C TYPICALS looking for a nontypical.Camps by his self unless a friend comes out for the weekend.Been the best hunt of his life and he will probably go home empty handed and smiling.Money or the lack of has ##### to0 do with how good a hunter you are.
 
I met with Will, the governor tag holder, about a month ago & I must say any 27 year old that is doing as well as he is deserves this tag. I wish him luck and I hope he kills a monster. I do know one monster 230+ non-typical buck (my friend and I dubbed it the Mayflower buck, after the exit he hung around) that he and Mossback were after was killed by a motor vehicle. Unfortunately for Will, this buck would not leave the Deer Crest Resort, and they were unable get permission to kill him there. They had hoped the snow would eventually push him down to where they could hunt him. Well, the snow did push him down, right down onto US-40 where he was killed. I also know there were other trophy typical and non-typical bucks seen earlier and eventually one is bound to pop back up.
 
Ontarget, you know as well as I do, if this feller did not have his nose so far up Mossback?s you know what, he would have already been able to kill a monster. He is not going to kill anything unless mossback is right there holding his hand and getting some live video for his next movie. Remember you can sh!t the tourist but there is no sh!tting skunkshit.
 
TO HELL WITH THE RICH BOY PAIN IN THE ASS. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR HIM TO LEARN $$$$$$$$$ CAN'T BUY EVERYTHING, SOME THINGS ARE PAID FOR IN SWEAT. BETTER YET TELL HIM YOU'LL GUIDE FOR HIM @ 3G's A DAY, AND PUT HIM ON A FORK.
 
"The guy that bought the tag this year at the Provo SFW banquet said that they were hoping to shoot a 250 class they had watched last year."

WTF ?!?!

I know Guys every year that Scout, Find Bucks, Name them, and Swear that they will only shoot that Buck or go bust.

WHO cares if he holds OUT ? How Stupid/ignorant is that Comment.

Think about it. Most of the Guys that Hunt Big Bucks Do that. Talk to ONTARGET, DEER KING, and a few other's on here. You even Stated that he "WATCHED LAST YEAR" That would indicate that he was Actually Afield, Actually hunting or Scouting and Actually doing what we all love to do.

Anyways, Not picknig on ONE particular Comment that was MAde, jsut pointing out that Just because Some one has Money, Don't mean they can't hunt on their own.

I won't have 50K to drop on a Deer tag in my life time, But I will be Weathy by a Normal Mans Standards in the Next 10 years. WHY ? Because I'm a Money Hungry Bastage :) Now, Having a couple hunderd K in my Checking won't make me les of a Hunter, I might jsut spend a Littel more on it. A guy that Makes 1 mil a year Speading 50 on a Hunt actually Spends Less per % wise then a Man making 20k a year spending $500. (Didn't do the Math, But ya Get my drift *WINK*)

You're welcome for Jumping Sides and getting your topic going B_F_E_ :)


  • [*] -Moosie
~~If you're going to walk on thin ice, Ya might as Well DANCE !!
WALK the TALK, Or shut the HECK UP !!
 
In my own humble opinion, I think Utah hunters should be a lot more supportive of this guy. He has just given more money towards hunting in this state than any of us will buying tags for the rest of our lives. I will never be that rich, but you know what, good for him if he is. He probably works hard like the rest of us, only he gets paid more for his work. ;)

The boost his money will give to our deer herds( if the DWR actually uses the money to directly help the mulies), is a step in the right direction. It monies that our herds need for replaniting wintering grounds, purhcasing land, etc.

To whoever this hunter is, I say good luck and bag a big one!! Then maybe some of those people who think there are no big deer left in Utah will shut up!!

Like I said in my original post, if he doesnt bag a deer, Im not going to shed tears over it. But Im also not going to be ignorant and root against this guy who deserves a chance to take a deer that he paid a hefty price tag for!!
 
Oscar. I'm repulsed by the fact that you would name DK, and OT in the same sentence. I think you owe Jeff an apology fore that one!!!;)
 
HA! I thinks it's all a bunch of bull anyway! How can you feel good about shooting a deer (or elk) that has to drag himself through 4 feet of snow! I think he ought to frame the tag and hang it on his wall, with an engraving that says, "Yeah, I'm a $50,000 weiner who can't hunt!" I hope he goes BUST! Just my 2 cents!
Happy Trails!
 
It is very ignorant to make blanket statements!
Regarding "Rich Guy" Hunters: I have come to dislike the shots taken at successful guys by a lot of jealous guys,not because I am one of them,but because I do know a guy like that.
This guy BUSTED his ass to get where he is today!
Yes, he is probably worth several million bucks,but he is one tough hombre! He has climbed probably most every major mountain range in the world chasing the giant rams of the world and has taken more incredible muleys and blacktails than we will ever dream of! Many of these were self-guided.There are many situations where having a guide is the smartest thing to do or is required by law!
I will be the first to say, yes there are some fat,lazy rich guy hunters out there,but if you suddenly came into millions,wouldn't you get out there and do a lot of hunting?
I really get tired of the class envy thing!
 
BUUUUUUU-YA H!!!

OSOK, I don't know any Successfull guys here, I don't visit much but the General forum, I know D.K. well and picked another name at random :).. So I'll have to Say sorry I guess *WINK*

Remember, It's Lonely at the TOP, But it's fun looking down at the People Below you.. And when I'm at the top, You can Do "JUST THAT"... but Substitute the "YOU" with "ME" , and read it slowly :)

HAHA !!


  • [*] -Moosie
~~If you're going to walk on thin ice, Ya might as Well DANCE !!
WALK the TALK, Or shut the HECK UP !!
 
RE: BUUUUUUU-YA H!!!

Moosie, I have been watching this site for about 1 1/2 years now, and your last post was just fine. Don?t worry about what that loud mouth OSOK has to say, it carries no weight in my mind.
 
RE: BUUUUUUU-YA H!!!

LAST EDITED ON Dec-29-03 AT 10:36PM (MST)[p]RTwanabee/Muleymasterbaiter,
Maybe you should go back to your home site dude. You guys aren't as good as us for stiring up the $hit. Too bad you didn't pay attention to how it should be done, "Come in kickin' the doors down shootin' from the hip." This little post of yours looks a little limped wristed if ya ask me.
 
RE: BUUUUUUU-YA H!!!

OSOK is a loudmouth?!?!? Tell us something we dont already know!!!j/k :)

Kickin in the doors and shootin from the hip.....that kinda reminds of that guy telling Moosie to stay out of the saloons or he would get beat up!!!

Welcome to Monster Muleys.....where nothing is sacred and no post is safe!! :)


TUFF!!!
 
RE: BUUUUUUU-YA H!!!

class envy....rich vs. poor guy.......yeah there is some of that on this site; but you know what??? That issue crops up in every segment of our society, doesn't matter if you are talking about mule deer hunting or picking daisy's. I'm not here defending the guys who want to beat this guy up just because he is rich....great for the rich guy! I could care less what his income is. There is a bigger issue here. The question should not be if this is rich guy or a poor guy, it should be what effect does this policy have on our mule deer herds? The simple way to look at it is from the perspective of saying; "This guy paid 50,000 dollars for a deer tag, he is only shooting one deer, and all that money goes to fund better mule deer management, so this is acceptable."

We are basically sacrificing one animal, so that we can add money to the DWR budget. On the surface, it does sound like a good tradeoff, until you dig a little deeper. I am not totally against this concept, but ask yourself, if this is about raising money for the DWR, than a simple question is, are we getting the most money we can out of this sacrificial (and that is what it is, period) buck? I think the answer is NO! Ethically, the very least we should do in this situation is demand that the DWR maximize the revenue from this buck. That can be done much simpler by having a lottery open to all hunters, residents and non-residents, and charge a nominal fee for entry. This would achieve far greater revenue. Secondly, we must also ask ourselves, if the DWR is going to sacrifice (because that is what it is) a majestic buck on the winter range, are they using that money the most wisely that they can? Once again I say NO! Does anybody really believe that the DWR is doing the best job that they can? Guys, the only way state govt agencies respond to the taxpayers is WHEN YOU TAKE THEIR REVENUE AWAY. You don't reward poor management with more money in the name of saving the mule deer.

A couple of more points. How long until the DWR says that they are really hurting for funding, so they need to do two governer tags? And then so and so on. If one is ok, certainly sacrificing 5 bucks certainly is going to hurt anything. So, you have to ask yourself, if they can raise more money, and make this tag available to everybody, through a lottery type system, why are they doing it this way??? They do it this way because the guides want them to do it this way. If they give the tag to a regular guy through a lottery, that guy isn't going to spend 10 grand on hiring a guide, it really is that simple. When big money gets involved in mule deer, there is going to be great pressure for ethics to slip in the harvesting of that deer, but hey, it is no big deal right, because it is only one deer! And all that money is going for a good cause! These types of tags, unless done right, are just one more example of ethics slippage.

And, a couple of disclaimers, I don't know this guy who has this tag, he is probably a very honest ethical guy, I have no idea, so this is not an attack on him personally, it is an attack on the system. Second, please don't try and tell me that the shooting of one big buck is not that big of a deal. Lets switch it around a little bit, lets say that every year, somebody found one huge, dead, poached deer in southern Utah, this site would flip out. I have seen how this site responds when an issue of poaching comes up, so don't tell me it is no big deal.

And, the final point is this, you do not reward poor management at the DWR with MORE money, more money is not going to make them "figure it out" one day! This might be a hard concept to understand, but to improve mule deer herds in the long run, you need to take away the money in the short run. When all those biologists, secrataries, and agency administrators figure it out that you are going to take their funding away ( their jobs) if they do not perform, I can garantuee you that things will change, and they will change rapidly. This whole governer tag thing is ethically slippery, period!

muleguy
 
RE: BUUUUUUU-YA H!!!

Oscar & Trent-
How is it I feel this post went from rich hunters to poor ole knuckleheadknack? Do not worry I found my rattle. LMAO.
Best,
Jerry
 
Nothing against having money, but......

I'm not saying that I am 100% against this, but, I feel that the guy should have to hunt during the general seasons. Sure, let him sart in August and hunt til' the end of the rifle hunt in October. I feel that would be a little more fair. Not only for the animal, but also for the general hunting public. Hell I don't care how much money the guy has or how "hard" he had to bust his butt to get it. That's got absolutely nothing to do with it! And give me a break on the, "all this moey goes into the budget for wildlife!" BULL! If that's the case why does the DWR raise your permit fees every year, and limit where and how long you can and cannot hunt? Keep in mind this is only for the "little guys" who won't shell out $50K for a tag. This "moneybag" can still hunt wherever he wants, for five months! So, that being said, once again I'm not against this hunt. The only thing I want is for it to be fair. Not only for other hunters, but also for the animals they pursue.
Happy Trails!
 
RE: Nothing against having money, but......

after watching the mossback video were carl webb shoots a awesome buck, it cracks me up how he says "thanks alot doyle".

the tag dollars are hopefully being used to better the habitat of the mule deer but who knows how the $$$ are spent.
 
RE: Nothing against having money, but......

LAST EDITED ON Dec-30-03 AT 08:13PM (MST)[p]So Cookie, Trent told me your buddy/govtagholder killed the mayflower buck on Hwy 40. I told you he would not kill unless Mossback was there to hold his hand.
Good now that's over with lets go sledding tomorrow call me

Remember you can ##### the tourist but there is now shiting skunkshit
 
US 40 Buck

LAST EDITED ON Dec-31-03 AT 08:51AM (MST)[p]Yes I also got a few emails about Will killing the buck; so then what buck got killed by the car?. Sledding maybe by the week end the powder is way to deep right now let it settle first
 

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