Is it possible?

sneeky

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I've always read and heard that there are some mule deer that are born, live, and die without ever being seen by a human. I believe this is possible. Considering an elks herd mentality, range, guides scouting for them and other factors, do you think it is possible for there to be a 400" plus bull in Utah that NO ONE knows about, NO ONE has ever seen? Is it really possible for some lucky hunter to stumble onto an elk like this?
Todd
 
I doubt it. Indian Peaks may be a unit where there is a 400 inch bull not seen.
 
I KNOW THAT ITS HARD TO FIND A 400 CLASS BULL BUT
THERE OUT THERE EVEN MORE THEN YOU THINK YOU JUST HAVE TO
START LOOKING HARDER
 
I believe it is very possible in areas with large amounts of non-road areas. As far as people finding them it may be possible but doubt it. I would guess their are new (Top 5-10) record size animials who die every year from old age who were never seen.
 
HAVE YOU NOT NOTICED EACH YEAR HUNTERS ARE TAKING MORE AND
MORE BULLS IN THE 400 CLASS RANGE THEN IN YEARS BEFORE.
SO WE SHOULDNT UNDER ESTAMATE THE ELK WE HAVE HEAR IN UTAH.JUST MY 2 CENTS.
 
Nope, I doubt it. But you never know. More than likely not in Wyoming because most are migratory and cover too much area not to be seen at least a few times. Maybe Nevada, probably not Utah or Arizona.
 
With the use of helicopters and chuteplanes.... just for scouting of course....and bragging rights after the harvest....

I would think it is a tough gig not to have it spotted... getting to him may be the only thing that saves his life....

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Robb
 
Not only do such animals exist, but there's probably a lot of them. And they don't necessarily live in remote areas, either. If you've done much search and rescue work, you know just how big the woods are.

There was a search for a boyscout in the Uintas a few years ago. At one point, there was an estimated 3,000 searchers looking for him on foot, on horseback and on ATVs. There were helicopters searching with FLIR cameras, too. The boy was right there under our noses all the time and yet it took days for us to find him.

Another good example would be these pot farms that turn up every now and then. These yahoos wouldn't be planting if they got discovered on a regular basis. They do it because more often than not, they can plant, grow and harvest over a period of months and nobody ever sees a thing.

Now whether there are animals that have never seen a human, maybe that's a different question.
 
What are you kidding? I know for fact that Doyle has seen every bull in Utah. Some of them he's seen twice. None of them get away either.
 
I would say no way could a deer or elk live out its life in Utah and never be seen by a human. However, I do think that maybe one or two years of its life it might not be seen for the year.
So yes, an old bull might have grow 400 inches of bone this year and was not seen. But, I would guess that odds are, he will be seen very soon. I don't think they can be lucky enough to go unseen too long.

I'm not sure, but I don't think anyone ever saw that giant new #4 in the world bull last year. Anyone know for sure?? I think someone just found the huge shed and then this year they went looking and killed him. Doyle told me they looked for that bull all for quite a while and he didn't turn up until 3 days before the Nov. hunt. He had no clue where that bull had been all summer and fall.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
I don't know about never, ever seen, but I do know of a few 400" bulls that are only seen one time a year and then are gone for a year. We have seen one for the last two years that is a lagitimate 405" bull that is only seen durning bow season and then disapears. We dang near ended that luck, but his dang cows busted us three times. No one finds sheds, or tells stories. Where are they? The same place as the others that are never seen I guess, hidden valley, on Lost peak, drinking from I dont know where lake, etc.
 
I am one that beleive we do not see all the elk or deer in all the areas that they are, both summer and winter range. Some of the winter ranges are easier to find and see MOST of the animals but I don't think that anyone see's all of them, especially if you want to think of a whole state, Like Utah or Ax. As mentioned by others in this post, if a person has flown any of the remote area's of any western state, you can not see all the game in the area, let alone the state. I fly all summer looking for marijuana gardens in the county in live in California which is about 4000 sq. miles. I will fly for a week straight to find gardens then go rip them off. In 4 months, I can not completely cover the entire county and that is looking for something static, looking for animals or people is even harder. Yea, I get to see lots of game, but not even close to what is actually out their. I have flown on many gardens, seeing several deer, elk pigs or bears, then set down 1/2 mile away then hike in to raid the garden and see even more animals that we didn't see from the air. As far as dope goes, we figure that we find about %50 of the gardens that are actually their, so I think animals would be even less. One thing is for sure, from the air, their is a whole lot of country out here that just goes on and on almost forever. Even here in Ca., most think this state is populated, but try flying it and you will be amazed at how remote a person can get anywhere in the west.
 
NOT Likely! I've been on a few units here in Utah and have seen 400+ B&C bulls. However, I've seen one particular bull during the summer but never on the winter range or have found any sheds on this one bull. There are some other guys who have seen it but have not found any of it's sheds or know of any found. So has far as never seeing humans high unlikely, but avoiding them and dying of old age, VERY LIKELY!


"Keep yer powder dry n yer eye on the skyline!"
 
I would say that it is more likely for game to, say, never be seen after X age, but most bulls in hunted areas were probably seen once in their life as a calf, spike, raghorn, etc. Once they get old and wary, then it's a different story. They say that for every mature whitetail you see, there are 3 or 4 that you don't. I'm sure a rule similar to that holds true for muleys and elk as well.

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