canyoncrosser
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Just curious if Montana wound up sold out of non res tags last year. I saw them pushing their leftovers fairly aggressively.
sold out in 2012?
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canyoncrosser
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So because they couldn't sell what they already have, they want to add more? Wtf! They got greedy and it didnt work, now they want to double down?
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clinton5
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Some questions about combination deer tags.. Alright, after never putting in for MT tags I have some ?'s. 1. So if I put in for a combination deer tag what are the chances that I will draw it as a NR? 2. When I do put in do I need to have a specific region or district in mind or will a general tag cover the state? 3. Is there specific limited quota areas that require special tags that the general deer tag is not valid for?
Thank you so much guys
Thank you so much guys
I believe the odds are in your favor to draw the deer combination as a NR. Think I read somewhere its like 75% or something. Previously to the price hike acouple years ago in tag fees took afew years to draw on avg. The general deer tag is good for alot of the state, theres afew limited quota areas though.
Theres a second option that some people do. Put in for the big game combo. Put in for a special elk permit, if your wanting to hunt a limited quota area for elk, if you dont draw the limited quoa elk request a return on the elk portion and refund for and retain the general deer permit. That option pretty much gives you a 100% draw on getting the deer portion of the tag.
Hope that helps answer your question, sure somebody here has the actual draw % though.
Theres a second option that some people do. Put in for the big game combo. Put in for a special elk permit, if your wanting to hunt a limited quota area for elk, if you dont draw the limited quoa elk request a return on the elk portion and refund for and retain the general deer permit. That option pretty much gives you a 100% draw on getting the deer portion of the tag.
Hope that helps answer your question, sure somebody here has the actual draw % though.
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clinton5
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Thanks for the info. beech 18. That helps. DO you know of a place to search for harvest results in MT. Also is there a place to search for public vs private ratio in various districts?
as previous....thank you
as previous....thank you
Idaho did the same thing a few years back and can't sell all the nonresident tags anymore...Greed is costing them money....We hunted Idaho for many, many years until they raised their fees to high and didn't / couldn't control their wolf populations. The area we hunted was effected pretty hard. It's just not worth the money anymore..To bad it was awesome years ago.
Government doesn't fix anything and has spent trillions proving it!!!
Let's face it...After Monday and Tuesday, even the calender says WTF!
Government doesn't fix anything and has spent trillions proving it!!!
Let's face it...After Monday and Tuesday, even the calender says WTF!
forkhunter
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>Why do some NR's act like
>Montana owes them a favor
>or something? mtmuley
I can see both sides of that. Not just for MT, but for any other state, too.
Some people think their additional dollars paid should get them something more than residents. And for that, I disagree. On the other hand, if a state wants to continue to sell their tags for NR $, they do have to provide a service.
I grew up in MT and still try to hunt there often. The recent declines in deer #'s and the increase in tag costs have pushed me to other states too, though. I know MT is not crying over my one person lost dollars, but if there are too many like me, it does create a problem for them on the financial side.
Fortunately for all of us, there are many states to consider. I just wish people would decide which ones they like and slow down a bit on the criticism of the systems they don't like. If some states do things that you don't agree with, you do have other options. Voting with your checkbook is probably the most appropriate thing. Just like it is in most purchase situations. I will pay more for a product or service that I like better. Hunting is no different. I have a couple states that I used to apply in that I no longer do. I reserve my limited funds for the states and hunts that I think I will enjoy the most.
>Montana owes them a favor
>or something? mtmuley
I can see both sides of that. Not just for MT, but for any other state, too.
Some people think their additional dollars paid should get them something more than residents. And for that, I disagree. On the other hand, if a state wants to continue to sell their tags for NR $, they do have to provide a service.
I grew up in MT and still try to hunt there often. The recent declines in deer #'s and the increase in tag costs have pushed me to other states too, though. I know MT is not crying over my one person lost dollars, but if there are too many like me, it does create a problem for them on the financial side.
Fortunately for all of us, there are many states to consider. I just wish people would decide which ones they like and slow down a bit on the criticism of the systems they don't like. If some states do things that you don't agree with, you do have other options. Voting with your checkbook is probably the most appropriate thing. Just like it is in most purchase situations. I will pay more for a product or service that I like better. Hunting is no different. I have a couple states that I used to apply in that I no longer do. I reserve my limited funds for the states and hunts that I think I will enjoy the most.
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>My gf and I applied last
>year for deer..didnt draw..refunded our
>money..then 2 weeks later we
>get a later stating they
>had 2,300 tags available..no thanks..ID
>got our money..Great way to
>run a bizz MT
The deer combo sold out in the drawing. Big game combos did not. The landowner sponsored did not sell out, neither did the come home to MT.
So The M,F,W &P took the deer part off the Big game combo and other places to work at getting some revenue.
M,F,W&P gave you guys that applied for deer, unsuccessfully, the first chance at these deer licenses. Then they went to the alternates. That's a good way to run business.
>year for deer..didnt draw..refunded our
>money..then 2 weeks later we
>get a later stating they
>had 2,300 tags available..no thanks..ID
>got our money..Great way to
>run a bizz MT
The deer combo sold out in the drawing. Big game combos did not. The landowner sponsored did not sell out, neither did the come home to MT.
So The M,F,W &P took the deer part off the Big game combo and other places to work at getting some revenue.
M,F,W&P gave you guys that applied for deer, unsuccessfully, the first chance at these deer licenses. Then they went to the alternates. That's a good way to run business.
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DnkyPunch
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The fees suck for the quality of deer BUT MT is now a perfect backup plan for me since they can't sell all their tags.
If I don't draw anything good then I just go buy a leftover tag for MT and go hunt the rut. Deer numbers are down in the area I like to hunt but it's still beats going to work.
Thanks MT for jacking your system and giving me an option of grabbing what amounts to OTC tags.
If I don't draw anything good then I just go buy a leftover tag for MT and go hunt the rut. Deer numbers are down in the area I like to hunt but it's still beats going to work.
Thanks MT for jacking your system and giving me an option of grabbing what amounts to OTC tags.
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7thgenmt
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Yep,dont want ya,dont need ya,stay home where you have to wait and see if our perfect state allows you a tag...crybabys not allowed.
On a seperate topic related to this though. I wonder, if these talks about hunters starting to boycott Colorado for this recent gun control issue. Sportsmen can have a big impact on things. ie. Look at the big Harrisburg sportshow out east.
If this comintues this could displace alot of hunters from Colorado to other states. These Montana left over tags could not last as long as they have in the past. Who knows.
If this comintues this could displace alot of hunters from Colorado to other states. These Montana left over tags could not last as long as they have in the past. Who knows.
The bottomline is that a state will charge what the market will bare, its obvious that MTs price has gotten so high that the market wont bare it any longer. Only the government would try to issue more tags of what it cant sell in the first place. Lower the price to where all the tags get sold, more money for the state, more money for the businesses that serve the NR, that would make way to much sense.
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7thgenmt
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When you double the price you dont have to sell as many tags to make more money.
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DnkyPunch
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it went up in 2010 or 2011. my wallet can't remember exactly when.
The politicians are not business people so they don't really get the concept of selling all the allotted tags and the trickle down effect that has on all the local businesses and people in montana. Every hunter buys food, gas, lodging, and occasionally some alcohol and tobacco that all supports the residents.
I'd be curious to know exactly how many tags they sold the last couple years including the leftovers and if they saw more revenue as a result of the increases. I'm sure someone here has that info.
The politicians are not business people so they don't really get the concept of selling all the allotted tags and the trickle down effect that has on all the local businesses and people in montana. Every hunter buys food, gas, lodging, and occasionally some alcohol and tobacco that all supports the residents.
I'd be curious to know exactly how many tags they sold the last couple years including the leftovers and if they saw more revenue as a result of the increases. I'm sure someone here has that info.
LAST EDITED ON Apr-01-13 AT 07:40PM (MST)[p]Actually Dnky your not totally correct, politicians didnt vote this one in when the fee's raised acouple years ago. I 161, people of Montana voted it in. To get rid the Outfitter sponsored lic and put those tags into the general pool. Outfitter tags were at a higher price so they raised the general lic to make up.
I voted against it as I believed it wasnt the thing to do at the time, but obviously majority of Montana residents voted for it.
I voted against it as I believed it wasnt the thing to do at the time, but obviously majority of Montana residents voted for it.
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>Yep,dont want ya,dont need ya,stay home
>where you have to wait
>and see if our perfect
>state allows you a tag...crybabys
>not allowed.
I find it hard to believe that you or your thinking represents the majority of MT residents.
"Go hunt for meat at Walmart."
>where you have to wait
>and see if our perfect
>state allows you a tag...crybabys
>not allowed.
I find it hard to believe that you or your thinking represents the majority of MT residents.
"Go hunt for meat at Walmart."
That thinking may not represent the majority, but it's hard to sympathize with guys that complain about both price and quality, but then hunt here anyway as a backup. I'm ready as a resident to take a fee increase. I live here, and our quality does not suck. Maybe some NR hunters skills do. mtmuley
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The only ornery MT folks I've meet are the "moved in" ones. You know, those first generation types just moved in from CA or someplace, become residents, think they should run things.
You can tell every time.
I've spent over a thousand bucks already on MT licenses. I will spend about 3 months in MT this year. Money well spent
Last 2 weeks in May will be on the big Lake (Ft Peck) going to take the boat, camp on the shore and go all the way to the end and back. Starting out at Nelson Creek.
You can tell every time.
I've spent over a thousand bucks already on MT licenses. I will spend about 3 months in MT this year. Money well spent
Last 2 weeks in May will be on the big Lake (Ft Peck) going to take the boat, camp on the shore and go all the way to the end and back. Starting out at Nelson Creek.
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>That thinking may not represent the
>majority, but it's hard to
>sympathize with guys that complain
>about both price and quality,
>but then hunt here anyway
>as a backup. I'm ready
>as a resident to take
>a fee increase. I live
>here, and our quality does
>not suck. Maybe some NR
>hunters skills do. mtmuley
I believe that the price and quality(deer)in MT is poor. But since MT has become overpriced, tags are easy to come by now. So I can wait and see if I draw a "good tag" in another state, then if I don't I can pick up a tag and head to MT. Getting to hunt is more important to me than staying home even if it costs a lot. Plus I still love hunting in MT.
Why is it that when nonresidents complain about price or quality of MT, MT resident get all worked up about it? I don't see that happen from any other state. Plus if nonresidents want to complain about the price they have every right too. We are the ones that are paying the price not you residents.
"Go hunt for meat at Walmart."
>majority, but it's hard to
>sympathize with guys that complain
>about both price and quality,
>but then hunt here anyway
>as a backup. I'm ready
>as a resident to take
>a fee increase. I live
>here, and our quality does
>not suck. Maybe some NR
>hunters skills do. mtmuley
I believe that the price and quality(deer)in MT is poor. But since MT has become overpriced, tags are easy to come by now. So I can wait and see if I draw a "good tag" in another state, then if I don't I can pick up a tag and head to MT. Getting to hunt is more important to me than staying home even if it costs a lot. Plus I still love hunting in MT.
Why is it that when nonresidents complain about price or quality of MT, MT resident get all worked up about it? I don't see that happen from any other state. Plus if nonresidents want to complain about the price they have every right too. We are the ones that are paying the price not you residents.
"Go hunt for meat at Walmart."
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Who puts a gun to your head and demands you pay what Montana prices their tags at? Just because you can complain doesn't mean it is the correct thing to do. Unless you are forced to pay for the tag my advice would be to pay, go hunt and keep your mouth shut.
When I go to Washington state I don't gripe about the quality of morons wondering around over there or how much Washington fleeces me with sales taxes or how much the weather sucks. I go because there are things to do and I understand they will cost me money if I choose to participate.
Simple solution, unless you are just a whiner, pay and shut up or don't comeback.
Nemont
When I go to Washington state I don't gripe about the quality of morons wondering around over there or how much Washington fleeces me with sales taxes or how much the weather sucks. I go because there are things to do and I understand they will cost me money if I choose to participate.
Simple solution, unless you are just a whiner, pay and shut up or don't comeback.
Nemont
tagsoup, What do you expect as far as game quality on a general tag here in Montana? Numbers please. How big of a buck or bull do you expect. How hard you going to work for it? DSo yhou expect to drive up here, hop off your 4-wheeler or out of your truck and hammer a 170 deer and 300 ish bull? I'd like to hear your expectations. mtmuley
tagsoup
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-03-13 AT 06:45PM (MST)[p]>Who puts a gun to your
>head and demands you pay
>what Montana prices their tags
>at? Just because you
>can complain doesn't mean it
>is the correct thing to
>do. Unless you are
>forced to pay for the
>tag my advice would be
>to pay, go hunt and
>keep your mouth shut.
>
>When I go to Washington state
>I don't gripe about the
>quality of morons wondering around
>over there or how much
>Washington fleeces me with sales
>taxes or how much the
>weather sucks. I go
>because there are things to
>do and I understand they
>will cost me money if
>I choose to participate.
>
>Simple solution, unless you are just
>a whiner, pay and shut
>up or don't comeback.
>
>Nemont
Nemont, I have always liked you. But your post sounds a lot like nonya's do most of the time. Why is it that guys from MT can't have an arguement without name calling? I have a few idea's but I don't want to through them out there and end up sounding like i'm from MT.
Anyway, no one puts a gun to my head. Like I said I love hunting MT. I just hate the price. And as long as I pay the price I feel like I can COMPLAIN all I want too. Almost feel like I have to, to get my money's worth.
"Go hunt for meat at Walmart."
>head and demands you pay
>what Montana prices their tags
>at? Just because you
>can complain doesn't mean it
>is the correct thing to
>do. Unless you are
>forced to pay for the
>tag my advice would be
>to pay, go hunt and
>keep your mouth shut.
>
>When I go to Washington state
>I don't gripe about the
>quality of morons wondering around
>over there or how much
>Washington fleeces me with sales
>taxes or how much the
>weather sucks. I go
>because there are things to
>do and I understand they
>will cost me money if
>I choose to participate.
>
>Simple solution, unless you are just
>a whiner, pay and shut
>up or don't comeback.
>
>Nemont
Nemont, I have always liked you. But your post sounds a lot like nonya's do most of the time. Why is it that guys from MT can't have an arguement without name calling? I have a few idea's but I don't want to through them out there and end up sounding like i'm from MT.
Anyway, no one puts a gun to my head. Like I said I love hunting MT. I just hate the price. And as long as I pay the price I feel like I can COMPLAIN all I want too. Almost feel like I have to, to get my money's worth.
"Go hunt for meat at Walmart."
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>tagsoup, What do you expect as
>far as game quality on
>a general tag here in
>Montana? Numbers please. How big
>of a buck or bull
>do you expect. How hard
>you going to work for
>it? DSo yhou expect to
>drive up here, hop off
>your 4-wheeler or out of
>your truck and hammer a
>170 deer and 300 ish
>bull? I'd like to hear
>your expectations. mtmuley
I'm not going to get in an argument with you over how your a great hunter that trips over 200" mule deer all year because you hunt hard. And nobody else does. And I don't care about elk.
"Go hunt for meat at Walmart."
>far as game quality on
>a general tag here in
>Montana? Numbers please. How big
>of a buck or bull
>do you expect. How hard
>you going to work for
>it? DSo yhou expect to
>drive up here, hop off
>your 4-wheeler or out of
>your truck and hammer a
>170 deer and 300 ish
>bull? I'd like to hear
>your expectations. mtmuley
I'm not going to get in an argument with you over how your a great hunter that trips over 200" mule deer all year because you hunt hard. And nobody else does. And I don't care about elk.
"Go hunt for meat at Walmart."
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7thgenmt
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-03-13 AT 09:12PM (MST)[p]
Nobody is forcing you cry babies to hunt here,spend your money and stfu.I dont expect the locals in any state I go hunt to kiss my ass for the privilege of hunting there,if the quality is so poor and the price too high stay the Fux home or hunt another state.You would be surprised by the number of MT NATIVES that would rather you didnt come here regardless of how much money you spend,you seem to think we all do or should kiss your ass because we depend on you for a living,we dont.If non residents stopped hunting here it wouldnt hurt me or anyone I know in any way shape or form,get over yourselves,we dont need/want you cry babys coming here to hunt,we want the hunters who appreciate what MT offers and have a great time hunting here,the rest of you should stay in Utah.
Nobody is forcing you cry babies to hunt here,spend your money and stfu.I dont expect the locals in any state I go hunt to kiss my ass for the privilege of hunting there,if the quality is so poor and the price too high stay the Fux home or hunt another state.You would be surprised by the number of MT NATIVES that would rather you didnt come here regardless of how much money you spend,you seem to think we all do or should kiss your ass because we depend on you for a living,we dont.If non residents stopped hunting here it wouldnt hurt me or anyone I know in any way shape or form,get over yourselves,we dont need/want you cry babys coming here to hunt,we want the hunters who appreciate what MT offers and have a great time hunting here,the rest of you should stay in Utah.
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Tagsoup,
Here is the problem, I don't care if you complain just don't come on the Montana forum stating you "love" to hunt Montana but everything about it sucks: the quality of deer is bad, the price is too high yada, yada, yada.
You are voluntarily paying the price with the full knowledge that in your opinion you are paying for a low quality hunting experience that you then admit you love.
If you want to complain about that then please don't do it on the Montana forum because I doubt there is a single resident anywhere in the state that cares about a NR willingly paying for a what he considers a low quality tag and yet still loves to come here and hunt.
If I called you a name I am sorry but if all you want to do is complain about how much Montana over charges for poor quality deer tags you willingly buy maybe a more fertile ground would be to do it over on the Washington forum.
As my dad would tell me if you are looking for sympathy it is between $hit and syphilis in the dictionary.
By all means come and hunt and enjoy it. I spend more than the price of that tag to take in a 4 hour baseball game in Seattle every year with my family. Usually it is a low quality game but I just love going and enjoy myself. I go into with the full knowledge that the game may suck but I paid the price for the ticket and I enjoyed my time at the ball park. I guess I probably could complain about the price but that is just the cost of admission, tough to put a price on fun.
Sorry if I did use name calling.
Nemont
Here is the problem, I don't care if you complain just don't come on the Montana forum stating you "love" to hunt Montana but everything about it sucks: the quality of deer is bad, the price is too high yada, yada, yada.
You are voluntarily paying the price with the full knowledge that in your opinion you are paying for a low quality hunting experience that you then admit you love.
If you want to complain about that then please don't do it on the Montana forum because I doubt there is a single resident anywhere in the state that cares about a NR willingly paying for a what he considers a low quality tag and yet still loves to come here and hunt.
If I called you a name I am sorry but if all you want to do is complain about how much Montana over charges for poor quality deer tags you willingly buy maybe a more fertile ground would be to do it over on the Washington forum.
As my dad would tell me if you are looking for sympathy it is between $hit and syphilis in the dictionary.
By all means come and hunt and enjoy it. I spend more than the price of that tag to take in a 4 hour baseball game in Seattle every year with my family. Usually it is a low quality game but I just love going and enjoy myself. I go into with the full knowledge that the game may suck but I paid the price for the ticket and I enjoyed my time at the ball park. I guess I probably could complain about the price but that is just the cost of admission, tough to put a price on fun.
Sorry if I did use name calling.
Nemont
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I was a resident of MT from 72-75.
Maybe will be again soon. My best friends are in MT, my Wife is a ranch girl from MT.
I want to go on record saying. When You compare the price of all types of vacations. A $1,000 BGC is the best bargain I get.
The quality of the wildlife is great!
Including The Deer.
Maybe will be again soon. My best friends are in MT, my Wife is a ranch girl from MT.
I want to go on record saying. When You compare the price of all types of vacations. A $1,000 BGC is the best bargain I get.
The quality of the wildlife is great!
Including The Deer.
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-04-13 AT 01:49PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Apr-04-13 AT 01:38?PM (MST)
LAST EDITED ON Apr-04-13 AT 01:37?PM (MST)
>LAST EDITED ON Apr-03-13
>AT 09:12?PM (MST)
>
>
>
>Nobody is forcing you cry babies
>to hunt here,spend your money
>and stfu.I dont expect the
>locals in any state I
>go hunt to kiss my
>ass for the privilege of
>hunting there,if the quality is
>so poor and the
>price too high stay the
>Fux home or hunt another
>state.You would be surprised by
>the number of MT NATIVES
>that would rather you didnt
>come here regardless of how
>much money you spend,you seem
>to think we all do
>or should kiss your ass
>because we depend on you
>for a living,we dont.If non
>residents stopped hunting here it
>wouldnt hurt me or anyone
>I know in any way
>shape or form,get over yourselves,we
>dont need/want you cry babys
>coming here to hunt,we want
>the hunters who appreciate what
>MT offers and have a
>great time hunting here,the rest
>of you should stay in
>Utah.
You are such a joke. Please do the state of MT a favor and don't procreate.
"Go hunt for meat at Walmart."
LAST EDITED ON Apr-04-13 AT 01:37?PM (MST)
>LAST EDITED ON Apr-03-13
>AT 09:12?PM (MST)
>
>
>
>Nobody is forcing you cry babies
>to hunt here,spend your money
>and stfu.I dont expect the
>locals in any state I
>go hunt to kiss my
>ass for the privilege of
>hunting there,if the quality is
>so poor and the
>price too high stay the
>Fux home or hunt another
>state.You would be surprised by
>the number of MT NATIVES
>that would rather you didnt
>come here regardless of how
>much money you spend,you seem
>to think we all do
>or should kiss your ass
>because we depend on you
>for a living,we dont.If non
>residents stopped hunting here it
>wouldnt hurt me or anyone
>I know in any way
>shape or form,get over yourselves,we
>dont need/want you cry babys
>coming here to hunt,we want
>the hunters who appreciate what
>MT offers and have a
>great time hunting here,the rest
>of you should stay in
>Utah.
You are such a joke. Please do the state of MT a favor and don't procreate.
"Go hunt for meat at Walmart."
tagsoup
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-04-13 AT 01:45PM (MST)[p]Nemont,
If i'm not mistaken this was a thread about nonresident tags in MT. Even if it has gotten off track.
I do love hunting MT. Have a great time every year. Hunting means more to me than just killing a big deer on a cheap hunt.
I'm not looking for any sympathy.
And coming to Seattle to watch a low quality game. It compares the same way to me as going to MT on a deer hunt. You said you could probably complain about what it costs. The difference is I did complain.
"Go hunt for meat at Walmart."
If i'm not mistaken this was a thread about nonresident tags in MT. Even if it has gotten off track.
I do love hunting MT. Have a great time every year. Hunting means more to me than just killing a big deer on a cheap hunt.
I'm not looking for any sympathy.
And coming to Seattle to watch a low quality game. It compares the same way to me as going to MT on a deer hunt. You said you could probably complain about what it costs. The difference is I did complain.
"Go hunt for meat at Walmart."
tagsoup
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>It's pretty easy for a guy
>that comes to Montana once
>a year to sit in
>front of a keyboard and
>proclaim our quality of game
>sucks. Take a couple minutes
>and check out OYOA and
>some of the low quality
>animals that are taken here
>each year. mtmuley
I'm not the only guy that says it. If MT deer tags were so desireable then they would sell out for twice what they cost now. I have been on OYOA and I have seen some great animals on there. But even the poor quality states of WA and OR have a few good animals killed every year.
"Go hunt for meat at Walmart."
>that comes to Montana once
>a year to sit in
>front of a keyboard and
>proclaim our quality of game
>sucks. Take a couple minutes
>and check out OYOA and
>some of the low quality
>animals that are taken here
>each year. mtmuley
I'm not the only guy that says it. If MT deer tags were so desireable then they would sell out for twice what they cost now. I have been on OYOA and I have seen some great animals on there. But even the poor quality states of WA and OR have a few good animals killed every year.
"Go hunt for meat at Walmart."
NeMont
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Fair enough I guess, complain all you want, that isn't going to change a single thing.
I don't complain about what it costs because the tickets are the cheapest part of the trip, just like the tag is the cheapest part of the hunt. You will pay more for travel, lodging, food, ammo, beer, clothing, bino, spotting scope, GPS, yada, yada, yada.
I just don't understand complaining if A. you voluntarily pay it, B. Say you love it C. get to hunt if you don't draw anywhere else.
That is like complaining that you got laid by a pretty girl but had a chance at a beautiful one so you are upset with bar owner who sold you too much booze.
Nemont
I don't complain about what it costs because the tickets are the cheapest part of the trip, just like the tag is the cheapest part of the hunt. You will pay more for travel, lodging, food, ammo, beer, clothing, bino, spotting scope, GPS, yada, yada, yada.
I just don't understand complaining if A. you voluntarily pay it, B. Say you love it C. get to hunt if you don't draw anywhere else.
That is like complaining that you got laid by a pretty girl but had a chance at a beautiful one so you are upset with bar owner who sold you too much booze.
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delmag1942
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In relation to the cost of tags (including MT), that cost is the least of my worries! I draw 4-6 out west tags per year. The cost of the fuel alone to get to the hunts is almost always 2x the cost of the tags, but just my opinion.
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hatrick
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On another note.... Did anybody here how many Big game combo NR apps they received this year??- Hatrick
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hatrick
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I meant to say did anybody on here hear how many apps-Hatrick
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7thgenmt
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"I love hunting MT but the tag prices are too high and the hunting sux"...internet cry babys UNITE! That one is for you DZ.
tagsoup
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You assume that everything else cost more than the tag. But everything that I have has been paid for many times over. The only thing that I paid for last year was food and fuel and that didn't cost me as much as a big game combo and only about $150ish more than a deer combo.
I'm not complaining about B or C.
"Go hunt for meat at Walmart."
I'm not complaining about B or C.
"Go hunt for meat at Walmart."
smokepoler63
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Montana non-resident deer and elk tags are over priced, as evidenced by the left over tags: over 2400 big game combos, over 2000 elk combos, and over 1600 deer combos. If sold for the current non-resident fees, that is almost $5,000,000 in unsold tags Montana is sitting on. Many of these tags will sell by hunting season, but that many tags remaining after the drawing is a good indication that they are over priced.
The state agency was put in a tough situation when the residents voted to discontinue the outfitter sponsored tags. They had to try to make up the difference somewhere. I live in a bordering state, so the tag fee is the largest portion of my hunting expenses, but something I will continue to pay.
I'm not complaining! I love Montana! I love the people of Montana! love hunting Montana! I've hunted Montana ten out of the last 11 years! The fees are steep, but what isn't these days? I look at the cost of a deer or big game combo as what it costs to do what I love! I pay as much for Internet service as I do for my deer combo. I'm not saying its a bargain, but I'll keep paying to play as long as I am able.
The state agency was put in a tough situation when the residents voted to discontinue the outfitter sponsored tags. They had to try to make up the difference somewhere. I live in a bordering state, so the tag fee is the largest portion of my hunting expenses, but something I will continue to pay.
I'm not complaining! I love Montana! I love the people of Montana! love hunting Montana! I've hunted Montana ten out of the last 11 years! The fees are steep, but what isn't these days? I look at the cost of a deer or big game combo as what it costs to do what I love! I pay as much for Internet service as I do for my deer combo. I'm not saying its a bargain, but I'll keep paying to play as long as I am able.
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7thgenmt
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The fewer they sell the happier we will be.Every unsold tag is one less road hunting moron we will have to tolerate during our favorite time of year.Every unsold tag is another chance that there will be one less worthless outfitter here in our great state Fn things up for the locals.Every unsold tag is one more immature buck that might make it through the season.Every unsold tag reminds us how stupid people are who think MT is overpriced and cant/wont spend the relatively small sum to get a guaranteed elk and or deer tag in an incredible state.Every unsold tag proves there is hope for hunters who live in MT,Id double the price again if they would let me.I would happily pay 5x what we pay now if they canned the whole out of state tag program,if we all ponied up we wouldn't need to sell a single tag out of state.Is that going to happen?Probably not,but,as they keep raising the price of tags they are weeding out alot of the rif raf that we dont need here.Its a start.
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savage270
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I read Monster Muleys everyday. I have decided to throw my two cents into this subject. First let me say, I am a non-resident, I paid for tags last year. And enjoyed one the best hunts in my life. So I applied again this year, and look foreword to hunting Montana again. I must say, Not all N/R are pieces of crap as earlier described. I would say, most of us respect the animal and land we hunt and the state we hunt in. I found Montana to be a beautiful state, seeing animals everywhere. I paid my money to play, and will gladly pay again.
Gunnie3035
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>The fewer they sell the happier
>we will be.Every unsold tag
>is one less road hunting
>moron we will have to
>tolerate during our favorite time
>of year.Every unsold tag is
>another chance that there will
>be one less worthless outfitter
>here in our great state
>Fn things up for the
>locals.Every unsold tag is one
>more immature buck that might
>make it through the season.Every
>unsold tag reminds us how
>stupid people are who think
>MT is overpriced and cant/wont
>spend the relatively small sum
>to get a guaranteed elk
>and or deer tag in
>an incredible state.Every unsold tag
>proves there is hope for
>hunters who live in MT,Id
>double the price again if
>they would let me.I would
>happily pay 5x what we
>pay now if they canned
>the whole out of state
>tag program,if we all ponied
>up we wouldn't need to
>sell a single tag out
>of state.Is that going to
>happen?Probably not,but,as they keep raising
>the price of tags they
>are weeding out alot of
>the rif raf that we
>dont need here.Its a start.
>
5x's what you pay would be what, $375-$400 for a combo tag?
>we will be.Every unsold tag
>is one less road hunting
>moron we will have to
>tolerate during our favorite time
>of year.Every unsold tag is
>another chance that there will
>be one less worthless outfitter
>here in our great state
>Fn things up for the
>locals.Every unsold tag is one
>more immature buck that might
>make it through the season.Every
>unsold tag reminds us how
>stupid people are who think
>MT is overpriced and cant/wont
>spend the relatively small sum
>to get a guaranteed elk
>and or deer tag in
>an incredible state.Every unsold tag
>proves there is hope for
>hunters who live in MT,Id
>double the price again if
>they would let me.I would
>happily pay 5x what we
>pay now if they canned
>the whole out of state
>tag program,if we all ponied
>up we wouldn't need to
>sell a single tag out
>of state.Is that going to
>happen?Probably not,but,as they keep raising
>the price of tags they
>are weeding out alot of
>the rif raf that we
>dont need here.Its a start.
>
5x's what you pay would be what, $375-$400 for a combo tag?
Stubaby
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LAST EDITED ON May-09-13 AT 08:38PM (MST)[p]Savage, any pics of your hunt? Scenery? Animals?
Montana has the advantage of being HUGE and mostly unpopulated. There is very little road kill when compared to other states, and also lots more winter range for animals that don't have houses all over. However, with as much land as there is, I think that there could and should be more animals.
I see vast tracks of good country with very little deer on it. That goes for private and public. I have a friend that has 6000 acres next to the NBar. I don't think there are any 170+ bucks on his place. 340 bulls are aplenty.....but hardly any mule deer. Maybe the elk make it tough on them?????
If I moved out of state I would still come back and hunt. I have invested way too much time scouting and hiking around in the 7 years that I have been here not to come back.
That being said, it's just simple economics and demand(or lack there of) that there are still tags leftover at all...let alone thousands. Either 1 of two things are true....
1. Montana is a huge secret and the word hasn't gotten out yet. Can't be. Otherwise thousands upon thousands of people would be lining up to hunt here. There is no "hype". I'm not bashing MT as not being a great place..but think about it. What if Colorado had 2500 available tags for units that were as good as 21 and Utah had 2500 Book Cliffs tags available? Do you think there would be any leftover after the draw? NO!
2. Montana is a pretty place to come hunt and if you work your a$$ early in the season(like I do), or just start driving dirt roads once the rut kicks in(like most..resident or NR) then you can have good success.
Lots of guys do use this state as a back-up. Look how many tags will get bought once the other states give the majority of hunters who put in their "point" instead of a tag. If the word is not out, then why do 5 million out of staters put in for 3 sheep units here? Why are the tags in 410 always sold out for elk? It's not because of the great mule deer hunting.
I believe that a guy can throw a dart at the map and hunt the nearest public land in Montana and find a 130-150 class buck. Nevertheless, it could be so much better given the amount of open land and lack of people if it were managed better.
Archery only areas? Units that go archery or Muzzy after a certain date? I'm open to anything.
One thing is for sure....Nobody says the muley hunting is getting better all the time. Nobody says "I hope I draw my General Deer tag for MT this year....otherwise there wouldn't be a ticker-tape on the FWP website with all these unsold tags.
I love Montana and the hunting is awesome.....but it could be so much better.
"That's a special feeling, Lloyd"
Montana has the advantage of being HUGE and mostly unpopulated. There is very little road kill when compared to other states, and also lots more winter range for animals that don't have houses all over. However, with as much land as there is, I think that there could and should be more animals.
I see vast tracks of good country with very little deer on it. That goes for private and public. I have a friend that has 6000 acres next to the NBar. I don't think there are any 170+ bucks on his place. 340 bulls are aplenty.....but hardly any mule deer. Maybe the elk make it tough on them?????
If I moved out of state I would still come back and hunt. I have invested way too much time scouting and hiking around in the 7 years that I have been here not to come back.
That being said, it's just simple economics and demand(or lack there of) that there are still tags leftover at all...let alone thousands. Either 1 of two things are true....
1. Montana is a huge secret and the word hasn't gotten out yet. Can't be. Otherwise thousands upon thousands of people would be lining up to hunt here. There is no "hype". I'm not bashing MT as not being a great place..but think about it. What if Colorado had 2500 available tags for units that were as good as 21 and Utah had 2500 Book Cliffs tags available? Do you think there would be any leftover after the draw? NO!
2. Montana is a pretty place to come hunt and if you work your a$$ early in the season(like I do), or just start driving dirt roads once the rut kicks in(like most..resident or NR) then you can have good success.
Lots of guys do use this state as a back-up. Look how many tags will get bought once the other states give the majority of hunters who put in their "point" instead of a tag. If the word is not out, then why do 5 million out of staters put in for 3 sheep units here? Why are the tags in 410 always sold out for elk? It's not because of the great mule deer hunting.
I believe that a guy can throw a dart at the map and hunt the nearest public land in Montana and find a 130-150 class buck. Nevertheless, it could be so much better given the amount of open land and lack of people if it were managed better.
Archery only areas? Units that go archery or Muzzy after a certain date? I'm open to anything.
One thing is for sure....Nobody says the muley hunting is getting better all the time. Nobody says "I hope I draw my General Deer tag for MT this year....otherwise there wouldn't be a ticker-tape on the FWP website with all these unsold tags.
I love Montana and the hunting is awesome.....but it could be so much better.
"That's a special feeling, Lloyd"
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