Government Collects Record Tax Revenue

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NeMont

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https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...d-income-taxes-through-december-still-run-225

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Total tax collections in the first quarter of fiscal 2018 equaled $769,512,000,000. But because the government spent $994,467,000,000 during the quarter, the Treasury ran a deficit of $224,955,000,000.




First quarter fiscal 2018 individual income tax revenue sets a record yet the government still runs a $225 Billion deficit for the quarter. How exactly will the tax cuts spur enough growth to pay for themselves and close the deficit? We know there isn't going to be any serious attempt to cut spending. So is the plan to just allow the Bond market to force us to start being serious?
 
>https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...d-income-taxes-through-december-still-run-225
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>Total tax collections in the first
>quarter of fiscal 2018 equaled
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>spent $994,467,000,000 during the quarter,
>the Treasury ran a deficit
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>First quarter fiscal 2018 individual income
>tax revenue sets a record
>yet the government still runs
>a $225 Billion deficit for
>the quarter. How
>exactly will the tax cuts
>spur enough growth to pay
>for themselves and close the
>deficit? We know there
>isn't going to be any
>serious attempt to cut spending.
> So is the plan
>to just allow the Bond
>market to force us to
>start being serious?


I've asked you several times!

Why is Our Government Wasting all the Tax Money?

Somebody better start Printing!
 
>This should be good....
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This Ain't been Good Forever!

So?

You Part of the Problem or not?
 
The only bigger thing Bundy is going to need after prison is a bigger dildo. you ain't gonna satisfy him anymore.














Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Wow look who is talking little man. Try to pull your face out of NEMOS arse then go smoke some more peyote.
 
Don't worry Nonuts, Tyrone is in Bundy's past . when you go to the next standoff I bet you'll get drilled just like it never happened. if Natasha can forgive Trump you can forgive your butt bud.


So Bobcat , do you Mormons think a married guy buying off a porn star is as cool as the evangelicals do ?










Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
> Don't worry Nonuts, Tyrone
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>it never happened. if
>Natasha can forgive Trump you
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I Didn't say it was Cool!

But I Guess Melania doesn't Care!
 
Dude are still a two faced chronic liar. When your girlfriend, Hillary, was accused of wrong doing by members on here, you took the position of she is innocent unless proven guilty and demanded several times for the accuser to "prove it".

Now that it is Trump who is being hit with accusations, you have taken the position of "guilty" as charged.

You really need to see a shrink to cure your extreme hatred and psychosis impairment.
RELH
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A personal lawyer for President Trump and a former porn star both denied a late Friday report claiming the adult-film actress was paid in exchange for her silence about an alleged sexual encounter with Trump.


The Wall Street Journal reported Friday that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen arranged the payment of $130,000 to Stephanie Clifford, whose stage name is Stormy Daniels, in October 2016. This reportedly was after she and her lawyer negotiated a nondisclosure agreement to prevent her from publicly discussing the supposed sexual encounter with the billionaire businessman.

But Cohen vehemently denied the claim.


?These rumors have circulated time and again since 2011," Cohen said in a statement to Fox News. "President Trump once again vehemently denies any such occurrence as has Ms.Daniels.?

In a letter, obtained and reviewed by Fox News, Clifford also denied all allegations.
 
It must be horrible to wake up every morning hoping to read that POTUS has been impeached. Damn you need to quit reading Yahoo and start working on finding a shed hunting aficionado in CO who can help you on your mule deer quest for a 200" deer. Odds are better for that!
 
So the takers don't really care about fiscal discipline unless the guy in the oval office is half white. Since their guy is racking up the debt it no longer matters.

Simple explanation on why the debt isn't an issue now? Anyone?

How much and how fast will the economy have to grow to get us out of our debt pit?

https://www.moneycrashers.com/how-fix-united-states-debt-problems/

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" The Fiscal Times claims that young Americans have been ?robbed of their birthright? and will be ?the first generation whose prospects are lower than those of their parents.?

The solutions to excessive debt are apparent, though unpopular, and will require sacrifices on the part of everyone. For generations, Americans have lived beyond their means. The bill has come due.

Are you worried about the debt and its impact upon you, your children, or grandchildren?



Your hero and your party is doing not one of the things spelled out and you takers will vote for them every election.



Nemont
 
I would like to see more effort to pay down the national debt and curb spending. I also know just how much worse it would be if Hillary had won and she tries to outdo Obama on the spending.

RELH
 
So success in Trump world will be adding just $7 Trillion more but at least it isn't $10 Trillion.

What a bunch of phonies and fakers. No budget, more spending and less tax revenue. It like Obama never left.

Nemont
 
Nemont, you are the faker. You voted for a President that had no chance of ever winning and if enough of you fakers had done that, we would have Hillary in office spending far more then Trump along with her Democrat cronies.

So take that faker title and shove it as you are nothing but a lame duck crying and whining in the sandbox.

RELH
 
>So success in Trump world will
>be adding just $7 Trillion
>more but at least it
>isn't $10 Trillion.
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>What a bunch of phonies and
>fakers. No budget,
>more spending and less tax
>revenue. It like Obama
>never left.
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>Nemont


It's just Paper!

They can Print more!
 
I see, since it is just paper why would it matter at all if China and Japan stopped buying U.S. Treasuries?

RELH

Total bogus argument right there. Either you don't understand how the electoral college works or you are just looking for another excuse to have no standard when it comes to your vote.

Nemont
 
>I see, since it is just
>paper why would it matter
>at all if China and
>Japan stopped buying U.S. Treasuries?
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>Either you don't understand how
>the electoral college works or
>you are just looking for
>another excuse to have no
>standard when it comes to
>your vote.
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>Nemont

You're all of a sudden worried about the Debt!

You couldn't pay it off not even with the Money you BRAGG to make!

We're more in Debted to China by the Second!

Mostly for a bunch of 'Built in China' F'N TRASH!

China is Invading/Taking over the Internet Sales as well!

If it says:From China/From China Seller I Won't Buy from them!

The Bad part is,the USA Sellers are probably getting the stuff from China,and you're buying the TRASH from China one way or the other!

I Can Tell you how to put a Dent in the Debt #####!

Have Your Government Quit Wasting Money!

Obama got Voted in by DUMB Americans thinking He was gonna send them all a Stimulus check!

Just goes to Show How F'N STUPID average Americans are!

They Think Our Government has Surplus Cash Laying around to send everybody a check!

JUDAS!
 
Stimulus check and a cell phone. Oh,and a $2500 savings on your health insurance. And the CBO agreed.
 
>>I see, since it is just
>>paper why would it matter
>>at all if China and
>>Japan stopped buying U.S. Treasuries?
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>>Either you don't understand how
>>the electoral college works or
>>you are just looking for
>>another excuse to have no
>>standard when it comes to
>>your vote.
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>>Nemont
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>about the Debt!
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>even with the Money you
>BRAGG to make!
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>I Won't Buy from them!
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>from China,and you're buying the
>TRASH from China one way
>or the other!
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>Debt #####!
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>Americans thinking He was gonna
>send them all a Stimulus
>check!
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>Just goes to Show How F'N
>STUPID average Americans are!
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>They Think Our Government has Surplus
>Cash Laying around to send
>everybody a check!
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George Bush's stimulus checks were free? what about the two wars that were off budget and put on the credit card?

If it is Obama care that is driving the debt how come the Republicans didn't repeal and replace it on day one, like was promised? Remember it there was a "Terrific" plan that Trump alone said he came up with but has never revealed what it is.

Why are the twin drivers of Social Security and Medicare untouchable for Trump? Medicare costs the country 16 times what Obama care does and it is going to explode enrollment and costs in the next couple of years.

President Trump is going to ask congress to increase spending not decrease it and his tax cuts will not pay for themselves let alone the increased spending.

Since the CBO is to be used as the source here is what it says about Trump's fiscal plan.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/c...-equal-size-of-the-us-economy/article/2644803

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With the tax cuts in place, the return of trillion-dollar federal deficits is coming sooner, according to the CBO. Tuesday's report showed the deficit rising to $700 billion this fiscal year, and then to $975 billion in 2019. In 2020, with Trump still in office, the shortfall would exceed $1 trillion. That benchmark wasn't supposed to be reached until 2022 under the projections that didn't include the tax bill.

Patience? yeah right.

Nemont
 
>George Bush's stimulus checks were free?
> what about the two
>wars that were off budget
>and put on the credit
>card?
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>If it is Obama care that
>is driving the debt how
>come the Republicans didn't repeal
>and replace it on day
>one, like was promised?
>Remember it there was a
>"Terrific" plan that Trump alone
>said he came up with
>but has never revealed what
>it is.
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>Why are the twin drivers of
>Social Security and Medicare untouchable
>for Trump? Medicare costs
>the country 16 times what
>Obama care does and it
>is going to explode enrollment
>and costs in the next
>couple of years.
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>President Trump is going to ask
>congress to increase spending not
>decrease it and his tax
>cuts will not pay for
>themselves let alone the increased
>spending.
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>Since the CBO is to be
>used as the source here
>is what it says about
>Trump's fiscal plan.
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>http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/c...-equal-size-of-the-us-economy/article/2644803
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>With the tax cuts in place,
>the return of trillion-dollar federal
>deficits is coming sooner, according
>to the CBO. Tuesday's report
>showed the deficit rising to
>$700 billion this fiscal year,
>and then to $975 billion
>in 2019. In 2020, with
>Trump still in office, the
>shortfall would exceed $1 trillion.
>That benchmark wasn't supposed to
>be reached until 2022 under
>the projections that didn't include
>the tax bill.
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>Patience? yeah right.
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>Nemont
Thank God we don't have a Politician in office , I couldn't imagine Hillary as President, oh wait that's why she lost.
 
Pay attention ######!

"""George Bush's stimulus checks were free? what about the two wars that were off budget and put on the credit card?"""

I Ended up getting 1/3 of what was promised from Bush!

You have a POOR Memory!

I Mentioned the 3 Fly-Overs many a times!

But You & #### BAWLED & Said you can't knock em down like that anymore!

But in Your Eyes it's OK to get 5,000-6,000 American Soldiers Killed And Slowly Shooting the Country Down with smaller Arms!

JFP!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-18 AT 06:05PM (MST)[p]
Elk

You need to quit smoking crack. Your Bishop wouldn't approve.

Unlike you I have had 6 family members serve in the sand box. For you to make a claim like that shows you are truly a classless person with no redeeming value. When you croak the world will be a far better place. Let us hope for all Americans that day is sooner than later.

Nemont
 
>LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-18
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>Unlike you I have had 6
>family members serve in the
>sand box. For you
>to make a claim like
>that shows you are truly
>a classless person with no
>redeeming value. When you croak
>the world will be a
>far better place. Let
>us hope for all Americans
>that day is sooner than
>later.
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>Nemont



You Just can't handle the Truth can you?

That Country Ain't Worth one American's Life!

Let alone 5K-6K!
 
Says the head prick on mm.com. How about you tell me again how I decided to send a single troop there you ole pile of shyt.

Of the two of us I am the only one who was ever sent there and you we making merry with your fellow none serving utards. So don't tell me you know a single thing about what I want for American troops.

Three fly overs would just mean that we would have ignited another world war. How about stop playing world cop and if we do then civilians should share the burden by paying for it. But boomers cannot be denied their government cheese so everything else goes on the backs of your grand children. Imagine if you loves them as much as you live Trump.


Nemont
 
Your GRAMMAR SUCKS!

Evidentally You don't have a F'N Clue when it comes to saving American Troops Lives!

That War wasn't Worth getting one American Killed!

Gonna tell you again!

DBAFP!

But Hey!

You're a Professional at it!
 
Bobcat you got to remember that when you're talking to the smartest guy in the world its not okay to correct his grammar. And his spelling
 
Correct away douche bag doesn't change a single fact. When you are a loser you become the grammar police.

Tell me you didn't support GWB in 2001 and 2003 when he went into Afghanistan and Iraq.

Nemont
 
>Correct away douche bag doesn't change
>a single fact. When
>you are a loser you
>become the grammar police.
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>Tell me you didn't support GWB
>in 2001 and 2003 when
>he went into Afghanistan and
>Iraq.
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>Nemont


With Ground Troops that were Told not to Shoot until you are shot at First?

ABSO-F'N-LUTELY NOT!

Both Wars I Said 'Fire Away'!

But I Also said let's Kick Ass Quick & Swiftly!

That'd Be Like Confronting Lil Kim in a Ground Troop War!

I'm All for War when needed/Mandatory!

And So that makes you WRONG again!

My Way of Fighting a War keeps as many Americans Alive as Possible!


And if it involves Pan Caking a few of these Chicken-SShhiittt little Countries Sobeit!

Your PC is Limp Wristed BS!

Carry on Tough Guy!

But DBAFP!!!

Ya,I Voted for Little Bush,Never Agreed with all of His BS though!
 
Just like you voted for and support Trump. 3 fly overs solves nothing and would put us in another world war. How about we stop doing Israel's' bidding in the ME and let them fight their own battles?


Now since ISIS is defeated, according to Trump, why do we need an additional $80 billion more for more war? In addition Trump and company will agree to match that on domestic spending to buy the votes in the Senate.

So since all the money we have on loan has been spent why are fakers like you supporting $1 trillion deficit in a growing economy? why are you so willing to keep voting for people who want to put your grand children in debt prison?


You want to relitigate the Iraq and Afghanistan war have at it. If you claim I want to see more flag draped coffins then like I said you show what a truly classless asshat you are and the world will improve a lot when you croak.

Nemont
 
Nemont is just like Trump, a counter puncher. Not bad from a got that is a self proclaimed genius.
 
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>Nemont is just like Trump, a
>counter puncher. Not bad from
>a got that is a
>self proclaimed genius.


And when He didn't vote for Trump,His Vote was for Hillary!

JUDAS!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-15-18 AT 08:14AM (MST)[p]Just as I suspected neither of you can make the case about why the guy you voted for is going to run Trillion deficits. Instead of holding Trump to any conservative standards you phonies want try and make it about me.

Let's hear the defense of Trump?s debt. He isn't done spending. Let's hear the self proclaimed conservatives defend trillion dollar deficits.


Nemont
 
>LAST EDITED ON Jan-15-18
>AT 08:14?AM (MST)
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>Just as I suspected neither of
>you can make the case
>about why the guy you
>voted for is going to
>run Trillion deficits. Instead
>of holding Trump to any
>conservative standards you phonies want
>try and make it about
>me.
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>Let's hear the defense of Trump?s
>debt. He isn't done
>spending. Let's hear the
>self proclaimed conservatives defend trillion
>dollar deficits.
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>Nemont


Let's hear You Run Your Big Mouth on How it was OK/Justified for Previous Presidents that You Voted for to Run the ND up?

Please do CHIME In!
 
I believe the Trump slurpers think Trump is a savvy businessman for cutting taxes today and transferring the debt to future generations. hey see no downside to it only gain.


You cannot reason with self absorbed narcissists while they're in the process of looting .














Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
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>Let's hear You Run Your Big
>Mouth on How it was
>OK/Justified for Previous Presidents that
>You Voted for to Run
>the ND up?
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>Please do CHIME In!
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Do you want me to dig up the posts of me saying the spending was wrong and that is why GWB lost me? I can if you are like a doubting Thomas, because they are there for anyone with a functioning brain and the ability to figure out the search button on here.

So your standard is that since previous presidents ran up debt then Trump gets a pass for spending, that is the definition of a fake conservative and a phonie Republican. Like I said the world with gain by subtracting you.

Nemont
 
Over spending is bad enough. intentionally cutting revenue while overspending is unforgivable.


But if we reelect Trump he promised the debt would be gone by the end of his second term. I wonder how many orange O rings actually believe that.





Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
>Let's hear You Run Your Big
>Mouth on How it was
>OK/Justified for Previous Presidents that
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Your magic underwear doesn't save you from going to the same place for lying as you would for stealing.

Just to show you what a liar you are about me:


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So?

In Your Pea Brain it was OK for Previous Presidents to Run the Debt Up?

But Trump Shouldn't be doing any of the same?


I Don't know how many Presidents you'd have to go back,to get back far enough there wasn't a Debt?

But I'll give you a Hint!

Obama didn't Help matters!

And neither did a Bunch more of them!

I'd like to see you Run this Country for one Day!

I Take that back!

You couldn't run it for two minutes!

But Hey!

You Might Qualify!
 
You truly are either senile or more likely, stupid. Why are you worried about the past? Your talking Yam is going to run as much debt in his 4 years as Obama did in his first 4 years, In a growing economy.

You support Trump because he doesn't offend your racist tendency to dislike people with darker skin. How very Mormon of you.

Now since Obama didn't help the problem please use any feeble attempt your fake conservative brain can conger up to defend Trump for spending more and making the problem bigger or are you admitting you are a complete fraud like the rest of the fake conservative Trumpeteers ?

Nemont
 
Find one Post where I Said Trump wasn't gonna run the Debt Up SMART GUY!

All You're worried about is Him Running it up more than the last Presidents!

And if He Does He'll be no different than any of the past several Presidents!

No Doubt in My Mind He'll Run it up!

If that Wall Goes up that'll add to it a bit!

For a Guy that claims to be the SMARTEST Guy in Montana you sure are a DUMB ###!
 
For the dumbest guy in Utardville you are pure brain dead.

So the phonies don't care about debt at all now that there is complete control of the House, Senate and White House. Spending like drunken sailors is just fine because president's before spent, so it is all good.

What a bunch of lying putzes who couldn't hit their own @ss with both hands. Either you are a conservative and believe that the people you vote for need uphold core conservative beliefs or you are just a bunch of old white dudes sitting around lighting your own farts. I guess we know which it is.

Nemont
 
Obama ran it up 10 trillion in 8 years.

If Trump only runs up 0.9 trillion per year he will be a fiscal conservative.

As long as SS and Medicare are off limits then we aren't gonna get there. Something like 60% of the money is spent on those items. We can cut PBS or cut Planned Parenthood. I agree with both. But, until someone wants to tackle the other two you can forget balancing the budget.

With tax rates at 18% in Europe, 21% in Asia, the US had to get it down to 21% or we were going to continue to lose companies to other countries. Being competitive it a great idea for us. That is indisputable. If it was a bad idea then why did everyone try to make sure they had a lower rate than the US? Ya, we had to lower the rate.

So, did you really think Hillary would be reigning in spending better? Or perhaps Bernie with his free education for everyone in the world and twinkies for all seniors and condoms free for everyone and gas free for everyone.

Trump was our best chance. He is doing better than Obama. By comparison, he is also beating Bush. Bush doubled the debt from 5t to 10t. Trump will not double the debt. That's more than Obama or Bush can say.
 
>For the dumbest guy in Utardville
>you are pure brain dead.
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>So the phonies don't care about
>debt at all now that
>there is complete control of
>the House, Senate and White
>House. Spending like drunken
>sailors is just fine because
>president's before spent, so it
>is all good.
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>What a bunch of lying putzes
>who couldn't hit their own
>@ss with both hands.
> Either you are a
>conservative and believe that the
>people you vote for need
> uphold core conservative beliefs
>or you are just a
>bunch of old white dudes
>sitting around lighting your own
>farts. I guess we
>know which it is.
>
>Nemont


You can 'Care about it' all you want!

Until Your Government Quits WASTING Money you are Screwed!

All of a sudden you want a President that won't increase the ND!

Something that who knows how many presidents in the past haven't done!

You must think it can be fixed over night?

PRINT!

PRINT BABY PRINT!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-15-18 AT 04:58PM (MST)[p]
Bolt,

I don't care about Hillary, she lost. Trump is supposedly a conservative president. In a time of a booming economy a conservative president is going to run Trillion dollar Deficits.



If that is our best hope then we need a different set of choices. Out of 320 million Americans the two parties put up a white criminal woman and a floppy haired clown car driver. Neither were worth a shyt.


Why didn't they just adjust the corporate rates to make us more competitive? Why give about another Trillion in other government cheese?

Bush doubled the debt by fighting a couple of wars on the credit card, Obama did by handing out Trillions, Trump is going to spend another $5 Trillion in his first term and that is assuming interest rates remain low. If not he will spend $7 Trillion which means he would be either 2nd or 3rd worst in just 4 short years.

Nemont
 
You're Still F'N Worried about what other Presidents Spent Ain't Ya?

That Hurt a little when your Obama Check never showed up?

The second I Mention 3 Fly-Overs compared to what Bush Blowed supposedly doing it the PC way you get Pissed!
 
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You need to Read again:

DBAFP!
 
I care about Hillary. I care that she lost and Trump is doing better than she would have. I agree the situation we have is not the best and we are in a bad spot. But, that said, with the crazy GOP guys we have in the Senate we will not pass any legislation that is meaningful in regards to SS or MC.

So far you said Trump will have a .7t deficit. Obama was running 1.25t deficits. Trump has improved it. That is getting this going in the right direction and he has only had 12 months of meaningful time in the office. I would say thats better than the last guy and arguably better than the last two.
 
Look Nemont, is he the bestest everest? No, you are. You should have run.

You didnt.

So we got Trump.

Again, he is doing better than she would have. And since you didnt run we get what we have now.

Again, you said it yourself. We had two options. Last I checked Montana was giving us some junk http://www.kfyrtv.com/content/news/...o-replace-Secretary-Ryan-Zinke-415561053.html

The same GOP that voted to cut Obamacare now doesnt have the balls to pull the same vote. Hard for Trump to make deals with slugs.

Again, we had two options since you didnt run. We got the lesser of two weasels.

Easy to understand. Man, didnt the ol lady get ya your afternoon tea today? Sheesh You are barking about him not being conservitive enough. He just cut taxes. Great! 1% GDP wasnt going to pay any bills and the senate wasnt going to cut 25% of government spending.

What would you. Mr sidline president. what would you do? Please lay it out for us.....lemme guess

Keep taxes the same...lose more jobs and companies....brilliant. Great idea. Cut medicare and ss....ya even you cant broker that deal.
 
elk, dont hijack this post. IS has nothing to do with GDP or tax or budgets...at least nothing relevant.

Its called hijacking posts...and if we had a decent mod they would delete obnoxious tangents like that.

If you want to discuss the fact that Trump never said IS was 100% eradicated. He said mission accomplished. Its kida like when you try to wipe your hairy bunns but those bodaggets just wont let go. Then your grandpa buns smell but 99% of the problem is gone so leasy ya aint got gut cancer but your lady dont like ya cuz ya smell funny. Ya you get it. Your likely sittin in it now. When you get 100% wiped clean you let Trump know your strategy and then you can expect perfection on his end.

Ya, na, dont think I'm gonna give in and acknowledge your hijacking of this post. :)
 
Sorry Bolt!

Not trying to Hi-Jack anything!

His Head is like a Rock!

Rock My Ass!

Try a 12" Thick piece of F'N Granite!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-15-18 AT 08:46PM (MST)[p]Bolt,
Here is the issue, I don't have to run. If we get more spending and debt from the Republicans then when the party's flip, because they will, then what happens? We cannot say anything about it. If Trump's GOP abandon's all fiscal discipline then your children and grand children won't have an American dream to pursue.

Cutting taxes and putting those tax cuts on the backs of future generations is not and never has been, prior to this Trump iteration of the GOP, a core conservative belief, value or policy.

So spare be the idiotic sideline president BS, I have a right to say that Trump is a shytty president and continue to say it because it is a fact. Wait for the chickens to come home to roost or worse a real world crisis that requires a steady hand and you will see a shyt show of the first order.

So cheer on, I don't have to pretend it is all well for the future because, just wait and see.

Also Zinke's replacement wasn't the singing democrat it was Republican Greg "the Animal" Gianforte.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/24/greg-gianforte-bodyslams-reporter-ben-jacobs-montana




Nemont
 
NeMont,

Would Trump cut spending?

Yes

Would he even cut PBS?

Yes

Can he?

No

Why?

GOP Senators have no balls.

I agree we are in trouble. That is why we need to call out the senators without spines. I wish Trump would hold public meetings with these guys so we could all see how spineless guys like McCain are. They say they are fiscally responsible but then they vote for spending. They say they will cut spending but then they increase it. I agree we have a problem. Trump needs to broker a deal. But people like you and I need to hold our senators responsible.

Ulitmately this country will get what it deserves and is asking for. Our kids will likly get to grapple with the issue of not being able to pay the payments on the debt. That is what the country is asking for. This is the only way for people to learn. The founding fathers did a great job at trying to make a system that would not spiral into oblivion. It worked for a few hundred years. But, when our debt gets to a certain point we will lose control of our economy and be forced to make the tough decisions. Brining up how dire the situation is for me to understand is singing to the chior. I get it.

So, get the senate to put bills on the presidents desk that make a change. Hold them accountable. If I was Trump I would tweet and talk about a senator one by one until he bent or he broke. I would make sure every Republican in the senators home state knew what a coward he was. I would make them fulfill their campaign promises or I would go to their state and spend a month campaigning against him. It is time to hold them accountable!

Trump is not perfect but he is better than the other option and better than the last two guys. So, get over it. Hold the senate responsible.
 
Bolt you need to study up on what Trump's responsibilities are and stop blaming congress for all of his failures.

The president can't expect congress to pass legislation they know will get them booted out of office or do damage to the nation . Trump's budget is a useless POS he probably didn't even read because he spent 1/3 of his year golfing. he promised to repeal Obamacare and then tosses it to congress and tells them " make it so " after he promised " fabulous healthcare for everyone " . WTF are they supposed to do with that when he provides no leadership ? Trump made promises , he needs to figure out how to fulfil them not just tweeter at congress like a 4th grader when they fail to deliver.

As chitty as this congress is they're the only thing between us and Cheetolini . we should thank them not blame them.


You're entitled to your opinion the orange man is the least of two evils. but will you agree he's still too evil to be reelected ?






Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
>NeMont,
>
>Would Trump cut spending?
>
>Yes
>
>Would he even cut PBS?

What proof do you have of this? Every dollar he claimed he "cut" ended up added back to the Pentagon budget. He is proposing an additional Trillion in debt to finance infrastructure and his tax deal cut revenues and we won't grow enough to pay for those.


>Yes
>
>Can he?
>
>No
>
>Why?
>
>GOP Senators have no balls.

GOP Senators are not the only problem. Do you recall the "beautiful health care plan" that Trump said he had already put together to repeal and replace Obamacare? Can you find that plan? He put together nothing and nothing is what the GOP voted for.


>I agree we are in trouble.
> That is why we
>need to call out the
>senators without spines. I
>wish Trump would hold public
>meetings with these guys so
>we could all see how
>spineless guys like McCain are.
> They say they are
>fiscally responsible but then they
>vote for spending. They
>say they will cut spending
>but then they increase it.
> I agree we have
>a problem. Trump needs
>to broker a deal.
>But people like you and
>I need to hold our
>senators responsible.



>Ulitmately this country will get what
>it deserves and is asking
>for. Our kids will
>likly get to grapple with
>the issue of not being
>able to pay the payments
>on the debt. That
>is what the country is
>asking for. This is
>the only way for people
>to learn. The founding
>fathers did a great job
>at trying to make a
>system that would not spiral
>into oblivion. It worked
>for a few hundred years.
> But, when our debt
>gets to a certain point
>we will lose control of
>our economy and be forced
>to make the tough decisions.
> Brining up how dire
>the situation is for me
>to understand is singing to
>the chior. I get
>it.

So are we not also supposed to hold Trump accountable or does the buck no longer stop in the White House?


>So, get the senate to put
>bills on the presidents desk
>that make a change.
>Hold them accountable. If
>I was Trump I would
>tweet and talk about a
>senator one by one until
>he bent or he broke.
> I would make sure
>every Republican in the senators
>home state knew what a
>coward he was. I
>would make them fulfill their
>campaign promises or I would
>go to their state and
>spend a month campaigning against
>him. It is time
>to hold them accountable!

I have no issue with holding my home state senators accountable. I also believe Trump should be held accountable as well.


>Trump is not perfect but he
>is better than the other
>option and better than the
>last two guys. So,
>get over it. Hold
>the senate responsible.

A more likely rallying cry will be simple, "hold the Senate majority" that isn't guaranteed by any stretch.

It will be interesting to see how history treats Trump. Highly doubtful he is going to be remembered as better than almost any other occupant. He may be remembered as the least likely to have ever sat in the Oval office.

I have zero faith in him to lead this country in any way that helps or improves our future or the futures of my kids.
 
Bolt laid it out for us so quit deflecting. If you don't like the medicine, don't take it. Every congress man or woman gets elected just like the president. It's on our back.

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eel, thank you. The deflections are useless to try to chase in a single thread.

Nemont, who writes bills...the house, the senate, or the president?
 
Who sends congress a budget, lays out the spending priorities and signs on the dotted line?

Peruse Trump's FY2018 budget and show me the proposed cuts. In that budget you will find a new entitlement. $25 billion for paid maternity leave. How much is the PBS budget?

Nemont
 
Hold your congressman and senators responsible. You are way off on how much Trump has cut! Thank you for inspiring me to read more. Now I am even more impressed with him than before. I mean, the guy is kicking some serious fiscal Ass.

This was a great read:
"Huge cuts to most federal agencies: a 31.4 percent cut to the Environmental Protection Agency budget, 29.1 percent cut to the State Department, 20.5 percent to Agriculture, 19.8 percent to Labor, 16.2 percent to Health and Human Services, 15.8 percent to Commerce, 13.2 percent to Housing and Urban Development, 12.7 percent to Transportation, and 10.9 percent to Interior."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...-budget-2018-proposal/?utm_term=.5d3534e48e23

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/22/15676490/trump-budget-2018-explained
 
You should be inspired to read the entire article. So if given the opportunity to sign a budget bill, as passed by both the House and Senate, which spends more and borrows more, would Donald Trump such such a bill?

If you say yes then doesn't that mean he is willing to go along to get along. He could veto, if he strongly believes getting debt under control is good for the country. Or is the House and Senate now able to pass laws without his signature? Where does the buck stop in government if it isn't at the top?

Go look at what actually is going to be borrowed and spent with his signature on it. Either he is a leader or he is a rubber stamp which is it?

All below are red ink spending which will be signed by DJT for additional 2018 spending.

Here?s a look at some red ink That will be up for votes:

-$1.5 ? $2.2 trillion: Tax cuts. (Signed into law). Estimates vary, but once interest costs are included, the new tax cuts could cost around $2 trillion.

-$200-plus billion: Infrastructure. (Proposed). This is President Donald Trump?s starting request for a sweeping decade-long infrastructure deal. It is unclear whether he would offset this cost.

-$200 billion: Overall spending increase. (Proposed). Both parties say they want to roll back automatic budget cuts that are set to hit defense and non-defense agencies later this month. How they get there might be complicated.

-$100-plus billion: Disaster aid. (Some of the spending has passed, some is proposed). Congress passed an initial $36.5 billion to assist communities hit by hurricanes and wildfire in 2017. The House approved an additional $81 billion that is still awaiting Senate action.

-$20 to $100 billion: Extending past tax breaks. (Proposed). Most years, Congress passes a slew of ?tax extenders? to keep a list of specific tax breaks alive for another year.

-Billions more: Smaller program extensions. (Proposed). Example: A $500 million loan to miners to keep an historic pension fund solvent.
 
>How many budgets did Obummer sign?
>

And that is really part of it. Trump is better than Obama, better than Hillary, Bush wasnt exactly cutting budgets.

The EPA drops by 30 some odd percent.

And this is just his first 12 months in office. Give the guy a break. Oh, and our Senators dont have the balls to propose and pass a better budget.

Trump hasnt even filled the white house positions and is eliminating positions.

Come on!
 
Well NeMont!

I Croaked today!

But I'm Back!

Doesn't Look like you were Quite the Bittcchh today as you were Yesterday!
 
I guess if Trump wants to emulate Obama and not sign budgets that is just fine with the fakers. So how much additional debt is acceptable to the Trump is great crowd? $5 trillion, $7 Trillion? I guess the new phony conservatives standard is anything less then $10 Trillion is dandy.


Too bad you all didn't want to pass on the American dream instead of a debt nightmare.

Trump doesn't have a conservative bone in his body. He is a New York liberal. Always has been. Always will be. His top 3 advisors are liberals.

Nemont
 
So conservatives bang porn stars and grab married women's puzzy while they're married to hookers ?


I need to learn more about the bible obviously.















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
NeMont, I have been around long enough to know it takes time.

Anyone that cuts the Obama EPA by 30% is on the fiscally conservative train.

You and I agree with how dire the situation is. And, we agree Trump is still pulling deficits. And, we both acknowledge Trump is going to add to the debt. But, he is slowing down the spending. He had proposed the Obamacare repeal and his plan would have cut Medicare by 30% in just 6 years but nobody would back him. Even though cuts to Medicare are the only way we will ever balance the budget. Trump has not been able to get others to sign a bill. But, I say we hold the people with the pen accountable.
 
Bolt,

you may want to double check. He proposed block granting Medicaid. He has never said, proposed or indicated cutting Medicare.

Also he said he was the greatest deal maker in history, no huge deals have been made even with his own party. If he had actually done what he said and had a "beautiful" healthcare plan that covered everybody Obama care would be history.

So explain this to me, you say he slowed down spending. All the analysis says we will return to trillion deficits because of Trump's fiscal policies. Which is it?

Nemont
 
I get that tax cuts during a time when we need more money to pay the debt seems crazy. But, if we let taxes stay the same we would continue to lose American businesses. Detroit tried this.

And, we both know the tax money wasn't going to go towards debt repayment. So, Trump started with cutting tax. And cutting expenses.

He would have done more but the Senate wouldn't get their nuts out and play ball.

Could he do more? Ya. Has he done more than the previous 2 guys? Ya.

Is he more Republican than Bush at this point? No doubt he is.

NeMont, ya we need to do better but 12 months in we are headed in the right direction.
 
I am going agree to disagree with the notion we are headed in the right direction.

Expense are not actually being cut, the money from one area is being diverted to another. Overall deficits are growing not decreasing.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stanco...ll-be-even-worse-than-last-year/#50b495182bc0

Quote:
-More Trump/GOP-Proposed Huge Increases In The Budget Deficit And National Debt. Much of this year's GOP agenda involves proposals that will increase the deficit and national debt beyond the multitrillion-dollar increase that it already agreed to in the 2017 tax bill. If enacted, a "technical corrections" tax bill (see below), a tax-based infrastructure plan, more money for the Pentagon and additional natural-disaster-related aid could increase the federal deficit to more than $1.2 trillion a year starting in 2019.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-17-18 AT 09:17AM (MST)[p]NeMont, you and I must have the same work schedule :)

I get it man. I hate to see spending as well.

Here are a few terms you understand but I want to make sure we are on the same page.
______________________________________

Deficit = the difference between the tax revenue and the actual expense

Total Spending = Total spending :)
___________________________________________

Total spending is decreased, right? I guess we dont know the budget yet. If decreased then this is fiscal responsibility right? Not perfect but better in terms of total spending.

Deficits are getting larger. Yes, and this increases debt. However, this does not imply increased spending. It simply means as we trim the budget it will take time to trim it to the level that the appropriate tax level can handle.

So, we have to borrow to pay bills until business and economy produce enough to match the new decreased fiscal budget. Amazon did not produce a profit for over a decade. I imagine we will run a deficit until taxes from corporate gains start to come in as the economy grows.


I don't, however, understand the current budget entirely since, as of now, it is technically as real as a ghost.

If we reduce the budget and cut taxes I think that is as good as we can ask for in the first year.
 
I know, right? Facts fly in the face of the argument you are trying to make that Trump is great. Supposedly the clown car driver is a conservative and the majority of the circle jerk claim they are conservative. Give either a small whiff of power and then debt is a magical thing. Debt is only bad when a Democrats racks it up. A floppy haired cartoon character and phonies conservatives can't wait for more debt. Too bad they hate their grand children.

Nemont
 
How can you not love Trump and how he has made all of us a butt load of $$. How about it Nemont and Dude? Has your stock portfolio increased significantly since Trump was elected? I'm not heavily invested in the stock market but over 300k since he kicked ass on Nov 8th 2016. Love it. Finally a leader that believes in America first.
 
If I cared about my paper money I think the wife and I are up almost $ 400,000 since Nov of last year. What will your paper be worth in 2 years?

Take some profits now is what 2008 taught me. Look at the shale play in ND and Texas too, wow despite Trump it is a great time to be an American.

Nemont
 
Just as a reminder...what was it the esteemed Paul Krugman of the fake news New York Times said last year? LMFAO
 
If you want to play that game should I list a bunch of chit the fake president said last year?

This could be really fun.














Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
NeMont, you are right. Spending is increasing. I just checked it myself.

Ya, not cool.

But read this article (specifically paragraph 4 & 5):
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"The administration estimates that the president's budget would reduce overall spending by $3.6 trillion over the next 10 years.

The end result, on paper anyway, is a fiscal conservative's dream: A balanced budget by 2027 with a reduction in the nation's cumulative debt as a share of the economy."

http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/22/news/economy/trump-budget/index.html

_____________________________________

So how are we cutting spending by 3.6T? Is that compared to what was going to be spent? I dont understand. We dont have budgets for the next 10 years.

Paragraph 6 is interesting as well.
_______________________________

So, he is spending more and ya, that is no good. But, he is going to reduce spending?

The one thing that is good from a conservative stand point is more spending on defense. And dems will say that is not good but anyone remember when Mitt Romney said Russia and North Korea were our biggest threats, Obama laughed, now who's laughing?

Anyway, back on topic, ya we need to reduce spending. Agreed. Thanks for the info. The media was acting like we were spending less.
 

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