Borrowing hits 8 year high

NeMont

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If you didn't like Obama borrowing all that cash during the great recession you all are probably even more livid about Trump borrowing it during a booming economy, right? Or is it now Cheney time and deficits don't matter?

https://apnews.com/79871c1fec6f4d4eb56d4ea175b51105

WASHINGTON (AP) ? With the government's budget deficit rising, the Treasury Department announced Monday that it expects to borrow $441 billion in the current January-March quarter, the largest amount in eight years.

The Treasury said this figure compares to actual borrowing of $282 billion in the October-December quarter. It will be the largest borrowing need since the government borrowed $483 billion in the January-March quarter of 2010, a period when the government was using stimulus spending to try to lift the country out of the Great Recession and provide support to the banking system after the worst financial crisis in seven decades.

Private forecasters believe this year?s deficit will climb to around $765 billion, and some are forecasting deficits for next year could once again top $1 trillion. Those projections reflect growing costs for Social Security and Medicare as the baby boom generation retires and the costs of the big tax cut that President Donald Trump pushed through Congress last month, a package estimated to boost deficits by $1.5 trillion over the next decade.

To cope with the higher borrowing needs, Treasury has asked Congress to raise the borrowing limit, which is currently $20.5 trillion. The government has continued borrowing money during the impasse but Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin?s will run out of room to use various bookkeeping maneuvers to stay under the current debt limit probably by early March.

Treasury on Wednesday will release the specific details of what types of securities it plans to sell this quarter to meet its borrowing needs.

Nemont
 
>If you didn't like Obama borrowing
>all that cash during the
>great recession you all are
>probably even more livid about
>Trump borrowing it during a
>booming economy, right?
>Or is it now Cheney
>time and deficits don't matter?
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>https://apnews.com/79871c1fec6f4d4eb56d4ea175b51105
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>WASHINGTON (AP) ? With the government's
>budget deficit rising, the Treasury
>Department announced Monday that it
>expects to borrow $441 billion
>in the current January-March quarter,
>the largest amount in eight
>years.
>
>The Treasury said this figure compares
>to actual borrowing of $282
>billion in the October-December quarter.
>It will be the largest
>borrowing need since the government
>borrowed $483 billion in the
>January-March quarter of 2010, a
>period when the government was
>using stimulus spending to try
>to lift the country out
>of the Great Recession and
>provide support to the banking
>system after the worst financial
>crisis in seven decades.
>
>Private forecasters believe this year?s deficit
>will climb to around $765
>billion, and some are forecasting
>deficits for next year could
>once again top $1 trillion.
>Those projections reflect growing costs
>for Social Security and Medicare
>as the baby boom generation
>retires and the costs of
>the big tax cut that
>President Donald Trump pushed through
>Congress last month, a package
>estimated to boost deficits by
>$1.5 trillion over the next
>decade.
>
>To cope with the higher borrowing
>needs, Treasury has asked Congress
>to raise the borrowing limit,
>which is currently $20.5 trillion.
>The government has continued borrowing
>money during the impasse but
>Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin?s will
>run out of room to
>use various bookkeeping maneuvers to
>stay under the current debt
>limit probably by early March.
>
>
>Treasury on Wednesday will release the
>specific details of what types
>of securities it plans to
>sell this quarter to meet
>its borrowing needs.
>
>Nemont
Who believes private forecasters ?
 
Not to worry. with the tax cuts supercharging the economy the cash is going to come in so fast the treasury is going to have to burn it out of the way to find the door.


Or as RELH says, debt is good as long as it's not a ni##er borrowing .















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-29-18 AT 03:50PM (MST)[p]264,

Care to try to justify running deficits this size in a booming economy? Or is just VP Cheney time again in DC?

Why wouldn't those vaunted tax cut produce enough new revenue to "pay for themselves"? That seems odd given that is what I understood from the rhetoric.

Nemont
 
At least we have a new wall and our crumbling infrastructure is well on the way to recovery. That ought to be worth something.

And Trump hasn't even started a war....yet.

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LAST EDITED ON Jan-29-18 AT 06:38PM (MST)[p]DW

Don?t believe the experts, all you have to do is go to the Treasury?s website and watch what they are doing with the debt auctions.
It is fairly simple math. We are rolling over low interest debt and selling far more debt than we are taking in as revenue.

Don?t listen to me go look, we are racking deficits and debt in what we are told is a booming economy. Mnuchin wants a $1 trillion increase in the debt limit in order to just get past the election this fall.

How do you defend that if you claim conservative political leanings?

Nemont
 
Imagine if boomers gave a phuk about their grand children or the country. It could be fixed in 10 years.

But hey you got yours and that is all you boomers really care about.

Nemont
 
Here is a wonderful idea...check the appropriate box on your fed income tax form to donate backmore to our Govt. Promise you they won't cut back on their spending
 
Then why would conservatives even matter? I guess it is Richard Cheney time and all fakers s have surrendered
 
If you won't pay your share why should we volunteer to pick up the tab for you ?


Fake conservatives never cared about the debt ever. simply a talking point for political purposes.















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
> If you won't pay your
>share why should we volunteer
>to pick up the tab
>for you ?
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>the debt ever. simply
> a talking point for
>political purposes.
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>Stay Thirsty My Friends

So A Drunk Inbred will make a big Donation?
 
Interesting topic, the bottom line is both conservatives and democratic;s haven't done well budgeting the books. Part of the reason why is waste in spending. The U.S. has to learn that we can't provide for the whole world "which is a typical liberal trait". Regardless of what is taken in if you spend more it won't balance. Just like on an airplane you have to put your own air supply on first when it drops from the ceiling before helping others. Trumps stimulus is simply to new to see what revenue it will create and what it will do for us. Keep preaching the sky is falling though it makes for good conversation.
 
Callsalot,

So you are saying all the whining about Obama's spending and increase in the debt was not justified? Remember that time when he was bailing out the auto industry and spending the Hank Paulson money to "save the economy"? That was justified debt?

http://www.awaketofreedom.com/10-trillion-new-debt-coming-republicans-take-control/

If Trump's policies are too new to know their impact, then why the claim that he is the reason the stock market is rocketing upward? Since they don't like betting on here let's take a look at where the national debt stands today and what it will be in 3 years. My guess is about $5 Trillion higher then today. Right on par with the Obama years.



Nemont
 
$1.145 trillion on welfare in 2017, plus SS welfare, plus all the stupid programs the Feds give money too such as $500 million to Abound Solar.

Lots of cuts to be made!
 
Instead of cuts we are increasing both defense spending and domestic discretionary spending and borrowing more to do both. On top of that our cost of borrowing is increasing which adds more.

So any guesses on the total debt at the end of 2020?

Nemont
 
>$1.145 trillion on welfare in 2017,
>plus SS welfare, plus all
>the stupid programs the Feds
>give money too such as
>$500 million to Abound Solar.
>
>
>Lots of cuts to be made!
>

Have you checked the new budget? Can you tell me what the welfare number in on that? In addition show me where the cuts are?

https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_percent



Thanks,

Nemont
 
>>$1.145 trillion on welfare in 2017,
>>plus SS welfare, plus all
>>the stupid programs the Feds
>>give money too such as
>>$500 million to Abound Solar.
>>
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>>Lots of cuts to be made!
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>Have you checked the new budget?
> Can you tell
>me what the welfare number
>in on that? In
>addition show me where the
>cuts are?
>
>https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_percent
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Nemont
I know one thing we are making cuts in homeless people here in California,they are being shipped to Oregon and Montana.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-18 AT 03:31PM (MST)[p]>I can read, whats your point?

We have a Republican in the White House and control of congress is it the "deficits don't matter" time?

You said lots of cuts to be made, I can't find anything but additional spending and borrowing.


Nemont
 
Your right, thats why I didn't like Bush either, too much BS spending not enough cutting. Hopefully the cuts are next, not sure why everyone is so scared to cut welfare, medicaid, and other BS programs out government funds.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-18 AT 03:10PM (MST)[p]>These are the types of cuts
>that need to be made.
>We are paying for so
>many BS programs the liberals
>have in place. I guess
>we have so much money
>to spend on cancer and
>Alzheimer's that we can pay
>for everything now.
>
> http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/08/oregon_adds_transgender_proced.html

While I believe this whole gender thing is simply stupid, isn't this a State of Oregon problem and doesn't have anything to do with Federal Spending?

If Oregon citizens want to tax themselves to provide this then fine, states rights rule.

My issue is this and nobody has yet been able to explain why it we are running these huge deficits, which add to the debt, while having a robust economy? That goes counter every fiscal conservative policy priority ever. Now is the time to put away some dry powder for the next crisis.
 
With the level of corruption in the US government do you really think that there is one politician that gives a crap about the deficit.
 
Aren?t they all elected by voters? I can't find one that was selected by the swamp. All seem to be there by the ability to garner votes.

So is it that we get the government we deserve?
 
Yes we are getting what we deserve. Both parties are corrupt and that is why we needed someone like Trump. The problem with your argument is the economy is just picking up steam, like I said before industry and markets are starting to base decisions on what they believe is opportunity with new policy. You want things fixed right this second. You can't fix years of stupid by both sides in 12 months. The government is to large with to many variables. Every time you say why aren't things perfect now that Trump is President you devalue your argument. It will takes years to fix corrupt government. If we elect another standard politician after Trump whether it be Democratic or Republican we'll be back in the same chit hole. As far as Oregon it's just one example of how the left works in all state and federal government. Paying for illegal's and all.
 
"Treasury on Wednesday will release the specific details of what types of securities it plans to sell this quarter to meet its borrowing needs."

Eventually we'll run out of stuff to pawn. That's when the trouble will start.

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That is the kind of well thought out response I thought I'd receive.
You can believe what you want he seems to be the first in a long time trying to fulfill what he said he'd try to do and not kissing everyone's but to keep his job come election time. The great thing is he doesn't need a job or the salary that comes with it and he doesn't have to govern running scared like all the other chicken chit politicians.

Feel free to post the last word as being a little newer to the site I came here to talk hunting and just got sidetracked. There seems to be two of you that run very liberal. More power to you but I can debate politics anywhere. I'm off to the elk and deer conversations.
 
>Yes we are getting what we
>deserve. Both parties are corrupt
>and that is why we
>needed someone like Trump. The
>problem with your argument is
>the economy is just picking
>up steam, like I said
>before industry and markets are
>starting to base decisions on
>what they believe is opportunity
>with new policy. You want
>things fixed right this second.
>You can't fix years of
>stupid by both sides in
>12 months. The government is
>to large with to many
>variables. Every time you say
>why aren't things perfect now
>that Trump is President you
>devalue your argument. It will
>takes years to fix corrupt
>government. If we elect another
>standard politician after Trump whether
>it be Democratic or Republican
>we'll be back in the
>same chit hole. As far
>as Oregon it's just one
>example of how the left
>works in all state and
>federal government. Paying for illegal's
>and all.

So no attempt to explain the red ink both now and projected by even the most died in the wool Trump economist.

I don't expect perfection from any human especially one in office. I certainly don't expect Trump to do 99% of what he says and neither do his handlers.

Trump took biggest drivers of our spending off the table and we will spend more on both guns and butter. So please defend it in a rational matter for a path forward to pass on the American dream to your grand children rather than just passing on a giant debt?

If you think Trump is not as corrupt as the swamp he is claiming to drain then you are sadly mistaken.

Remember what ever you are willing to let your guy get away with will be used against you.


Nemont
 
"If you think Trump is not as corrupt as the swamp he is claiming to drain then you are sadly mistaken."

Not possible......no one in the private sector can be as corrupt as government officials. He might get there...but certainly isn't now.


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no one in the private
>sector can be as corrupt
>as government officials.

You forgot about used car salesmen and insurance agents.

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>Not possible......no one in the private
>sector can be as corrupt
>as government officials. He
>might get there...but certainly isn't
>now.

Oh Homer, you're so precious.
 
The swamp must be defined as those who are investigating Trump ? because they're the only drain going on . Rosenstein is the last " swamp creature " left and a hit is being developed to justify his firing.


Why don't one of you just stick to the original subject. what about the " yuge " amount of borrowing ?














Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
No body can answer why we will be borrowing at Obama levels in a booming economy, hmmm.

As expected the bottom line is, for Trumpettes, when it is Republican control it is back to the notion that deficits don't matter and debt is good as long there isn't a democrat in the White House.


Nemont
 
Remember what ever you are willing to let your guy get away with will be used against you. (nemont)

Good advise. Too bad the democrats didn't think of this when they circled the wagons around Bill Clinton when he was getting a BJ in the oval office. If they had held Clinton accountable I don't think Trump would be President now.
Going to be hard to pin obstruction of justice on Trump if you are willing to over look deleting emails, bleach fitting hard drives and smashing other devices with a hammer.

Fine predicament we are in now.
 
>No body can answer why we
>will be borrowing at Obama
>levels in a booming economy,
> hmmm.
>
>As expected the bottom line is,
>for Trumpettes, when it
>is Republican control it is
>back to the notion that
>deficits don't matter and debt
>is good as long there
>isn't a democrat in the
>White House.
>
>
>Nemont

SPEND BABY!

SPEND!

PRINT BABY!

PRINT!

GEEZUS NeMont it's just Paper!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-31-18 AT 09:59PM (MST)[p] Who wants to bet the debt is lower when Trump leaves office ? com'on you gong gobblers show a little faith you're pathetic.


When I get back from West Yellowstone have your wagers figured out . or admit you're as full of crap as your orange squeeze.










Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
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>SPEND BABY!
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>SPEND!
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>PRINT BABY!
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>GEEZUS NeMont it's just Paper!

If it is just paper then why does the Treasury even bother holding debt auctions? Why would it matter if anyone bought out debt instruments if we can just print paper?

Why wasn't it just paper when a half black guy was running up the debt to historic levels?

Nemont
 

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