Which .44 is better?

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ozstriker22

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Please help,

When I hunt now I use a scoped 30.06, but I'd like to start also carrying a .44 handgun. When I'm really good with the .44 I plan to start leaving the .06 in the truck.

But for at least a year or so I figure I'll carry BOTH my rifle on my back and the .44 in a shoulder holster (If nothing else, good backup).

Herein lies the dilema, Members of my local gunclub are selling these two guns:

1. Ruger Red Hawk 7 1/2 inch blued. Minor holster wear. $300
2. Ruger Super BlackHawk 10 1/2 inch Stainless. Close to new condition. $350

Pricewise, the SBH seems a better buy. And I prefer stainless. However, at 10 1/2" it is ONE HEAVY MOTHER!!! Which would you buy, and why?

Thanks for your time!

Jesse
 
if you're planning to hunt with it, i would say the longer the barrel the better.
 
I carry a Super Blackhawk with the 10.5" barrel, open sights, you'll find that after packing it around all day, you might start walking in circles due to the weight. You'll get used to it by the end of the season, and have one leg that looks like Popey's forearm! I shoot Remington 180 Semi-Jacketed Hollow pts., whatever you do, if you go with the 10.5", DON'T use bullets that have a huge chunk of lead tipping your bullets, it's a nightmare to clean out! I have killed a couple does with it, one muley at 99 yards and a whitey at about 25 yards. I'm comfortable out to 100 yards with it, but still always carry my rifle. Whatever you do, check out everything you possibly can as far as ballistics and choose the right load for your pistol, it took me 2 years to settle on the Remingtons, and I have found that I can put two shots (at a target) thru the same hole at 50 yards.
 
2 shots in the same hole, Wow! that's impressive. What do you mean about choosing the right load and ballistics for the pistol?

The gun includes a shoulder holster. But given the choice again, would you go with a 7.5" over the 10.5"?

Jesse
 
The Taurus Raging bull Series of .44 caliber is my prime choice for that caliber. Sweetest shooting .44 I have shot.
I own the model 444b8.


-Cass
 
I have both the redhawk and 10-1/2 super blackhawk. The double action of the redhawk is useless for a hunting handgun. The blackhawk is more accurate and lighter than the 7-1/2 redhawk or at least feels that way.

I would get the SBH but I believe you could find one cheaper if you are buying used.

JB
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-05-04 AT 08:19AM (MST)[p]I'm probably opening up a can of worms by saying this...actually, yes, the can i'm holding says "Can of Worms" right on it......but If you're going to be hunting with it, you'll need the 10.5 barrel. It's more accurate to longer distances. I'm no expert on the subject, but ballistics and bullet performance vary greatly from one region to another. You can get as serious as considering altitude, the humidity and barometric pressure (in general) of the area you'll be hunting during hunting season, and to some degree they'll affect your shots.
Though probably not noticeable. Like i said, i'm no expert.

After all the shooting i've done, sighting, hunting, etc. I have found that the Remington 180 Semi-Jacketed HollowPoints work best for me. Even opposed to the Remington 240 gr. in the same configuration. They're fast, deadly, and extemely destructive even at 99 yards on a muley doe, (she'd tell you, but her noggin was prit'near taken clean off).

I'm not sure the 7.5 barrel is the best choice for hunting, unless you're going to be shooting at closer range, or if your shot (kill) isn't critical to putting meat in the freezer. Again, you can kill a critter (eventually) with a well-placed shot from a BB gun, but in this case, i'd rather have them do a back-flip in mid-air and hit the ground dead.

There's a lot of guys here at MM that would be better suited to explain the finer points of ballistics and barrel length, I'm just drawing on 12 years of experience with my .44
 
There is some confussion here...a brand new SBH sells for about $380 in my area, at the cheapest store in town, upto $425 at the others. A blued Redhawk, I don't know the price as I was pricing stainles ones, which are at $430-475. So, judging by that, a blued one is $400-450.

So, the RH is priced $25-50 BELOW what it is worth, and the SBH is priced about right, if not high.

So, The Redhawk is the deal, not the SBH. I have a 7.5" SBH on lay-away, and it is $300. When I saw it, I was prepped to drop the money on a SRH, ($480) in fact minutes away, but I asked if they had any used .44's and they had the one I've got on lay away.

Now, about 20 years ago I read a test in Guns & Ammo on .44 mags. They test fps and accuracy in a variety of bbl lengths, and the results were surprising. The highest fps and accuracy was in guns that had ABOUT a 4" or 6" bbl. Now, the fps winner also had the tightest B-C gap...no surprise there, but it overcame 2-4 inches of bbl length. So, I'd say that the dif in length is NOT going to show up in fps, TO A NOTICABLE DEGREE, maybe a few fps, but not 100, past 6" or so. In otherwords, 7" or 10.5, who cares, as far as fps goes, there are other factors that a LOT more important.

I shoot pistols competiviely, and what I'm fixing to say is based on shooting 2, 4 and 6 inch guns and watching the national champs do the same. Their scores don't drop off w/shorter guns, shooting the same matches. What you and I (and 99.9% of the shooters)will notice is the extra length in your sighting radius. The gun is NOT more accurate. That can be easily proven w/a Ransom Rest, or w/a Super shooter (the champs shoot better than a R-Rest). But, there are damn few guys in the US that you can prove the theory with. The others will readily shoot the longer one better(just like the last post said) As an example, last year at the OK champs, in the 6" Distinguished Auto match, the winner shot his 4" stock auto (w/fixed sights!!!) He dropped either 8 or 4 points, at both 25 and 50 yards, total. I dropped 18. He can shoot the smaller gun as well (BTW, he had a 6" gun, but he sold it as it didn't shoot as well as the 4"...again, he's a walking talking Ransom Rest, and he KNOWS the differance) I'm a Master Class shooter, and I can't prove it, but I know guys that can. So, the guns are just as accurate as the other one, IF MADE RIGHT. But, you'll shoot the longer barrelled one better, almost always, because of the longer sight radius, and this is what people mean to say. They are more accurate when shot by the average Joe (longer ones). You'll also shoot the HEAVIER one better.

I bought 7.5 SBH, because it is plenty heavy, I can put ONE shot where I want it if I concentrate and I figured that it was a good balance between a firing-range gun and one to tote over hill and dale, for days on end.

Are you going to put a scope on it? If so, then pay attention to what I said about shorter guns are just as accurate, and that the advantage is in increased sight radius (which doesn't matter to a scoped gun).

If you are going to the range, buy the heavist longest bbl gun that you can get. You haven't said, so we're guessing on what you are going to do with it, but I can tell you right now, that a 14" 4# gun is not practical for your hip. So, the longest, heaviest, best shooting gun may not be the one to get. But, I know guys that carry Contenders, for elk that are that big. So, we're being general here as we don't know if you want it for a charging bear or a 175 yards elk of the 100 yard buck. I've pretty much written for the 100 yard shot. BTW, I bought a 7.5" SBH to knock elk down, w/one shot at 150 yards.

If you want it for charging bears, then get a 4" Double Action Gun. But, the 7" would be OK, just OK.

BTW, depending on the shooter, double action is often just as good as SA at far distances. When I started shooting pistols, it was proven to me, and 19 years later, I now shoot Double Action better (Wehn I started, SA was better). I shot about 200 rounds of ammo, in 4 postions testing this, on myself. Out of four postions, I believe that I shot weak-handed better w/SA, all other DA was more accurate. This was with repeated 12 shot groups.

Now, the 7" bbl is long enough for hunting. But, LONGER IS BETTER (ask your wife). How far are you going to shoot? 25 yards, then who cares, 50 yards, it MAY matter (for a six shot group yes, but to hit a 6" circle, probably not), at 100 yards then longer is better. The RH is strong enough (It is a Ruger, the strongest gun made) and if not stronger than the SBH. I've been told, by guys that SEEM to know, that a SRH is stronger than a SBH. You'll never wear either gun out by shooting ammo off the shelf and being as you are not a pistol shooter, you should not be pushing the envelope w/hot handloads. So, if you are going to shoot 50 yards 7" is just fine...100 yards and farther, longer is definitly more better (the technical term for it...more better).

D-Action is an asset. I was going to buy one, but when the price was right, I didn't hesitate on the SA gun. Neither should you.

SO, here's my recommendation. DON'T BUY EITHER GUN. The blued gun is by far the better deal and if you really want one, then get it. But, I'd buy a Stainless gun and that is the only reason that I say hold off. The two guns are plenty strong, and there ain't a nickles worth of dif in the strength and 7.5 is plenty long, for ONE shot. So, if blued is fine w/you, then get it.

Something you should do, being as you know the owners, shoot both guns. Go out, buy a box of .44's, shoot 25 shots in each gun. Shoot them at the range you want to be able to shoot...if you are going to hunt w/it. Shoot a couple of 6 shot groups at 25, 50 and 75 yards
 
Wow. Those comments are GREAT! Thanks to all of you!

There is a type-o above. Both guns are SBH. $319 for a 7.5 blued and $350 for a 10.5 stainless w/sholder holster.

I will be using the gun for backup while pig hunting in tight areas where a scoped 30.06 wouldn't be the first choice, and to carry while deer hunting in case I run into a bear or lion, or marrijuana dealer, or illegal smuglers, or whatever (that funny stuff does and has happened when you're hunting 30 minutes from the Mexican border).

Eventually, if I get good enough with the .44, and good enough at spotting and stalking, I'll leave the 30.06 in the truck and hunt exclusively with the .44

Maybe that adds a twist that I didnt mention before... Thanks again for your time and comments!
 
Good info, Stinky.
I think if you're in tight quarters with a charging pig, you'll want the shorter barrel. You 'd rather draw a knife than a sword in this case. Believe me, drawing a 10.5 barrel out of a shoulder holster is not as fluid as it seems. Or ANY holster for that matter.

For marajuana dealers or smugglers, you'll probably want to check out the SKS or Uzi line just to somewhat level the playing field.
 
Like clint eastwood in "Unforgiven" the whole world's shooting at you and you just stay level headed, aim, and shoot. A burst from a poorly aimed uzi vs a well placed .44 to the chest... I'd rather take a Nine in the shoulder than a 44 in the vitals!

Yeah, I'm probably going to pass on both guns. I'd really like to find a good deal on a .44 S&W Model 6 with a 5.5" - That's a sweet gun!!!
 
There you go. course, if you've got an angry pig chewing your face off, just about any gun will work at this point! Good luck!
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-05-04 AT 12:15PM (MST)[p]I looked at the Rugers and bought a S&W model 626 6 1/2in.
I would not want to carry anything heavier. Have fun.
 

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