WYOMING DEER TAGS CUT BACK G AND H

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I was reading on a website that WYOMING had more winter kill than usual so the game and fish were cutting back tags this year does anyone know if this is true.Cant find the website again where I seen this posted. REGION G AND REGION H If this is true it could be a real problem with the odds of drawing a tag. But if you draw less people would not hurt my feelings.
 
Hey Skunk,
If you knew anything about G at all you would already know that they have cut way back on non-resident tags and they are not the problem. The resident that can buy a over the counter tag in Cheyenne or Laramie and drive to region G is the problem, they need to and will make changes in the coming years to this, G and H will both be a draw area for residents as well.
 
Yeah, I like the wayyyyy back on the non res tags as well. Seems like whenever their is a problem its the res that get the poop end of the deal.
Michael
 
The wife and I have been riding solid for the last 2 weeks looking for sheds and its pretty discouraging everywhere we go on the winterkill. We are seeing at least 5 to 6 fresh winterkills everywhere we go. I talked to one of the local game wardens and he said they estimated a 60% fawn loss this year. I missed the fish and game meetings around here but heard and read that the seasons are cut back to just a week here in the 135 area. Plus the areas up north are cut a week shorter.
My opinion is they should make the G and H units 4 point or better for a couple of years and no antlerless killing to help get the deer herd back on its feet again.
With the snow we had this year the habitat is showing signs of some good new growth even though the deer suffered.
 
Had an e-mail yesterday from a friend who said his cousin who lives in Afton told him their, F&G were going to cut back the season due to the lost of deer during this past winter kill.

Like Longun said, the F&G need to make it a limited area draw and 4 pointers or better. Stop these doe hunts.

Brian
 
Longun, its good to hear whats been going on back in my part of the country. Too bad its bad news though.. :( Found any good sheds?? I think Wyo region g and h should cut wayyyy back on non -resident tags. And maybe even a small bit on the resident tags. If those areas where throphy managed you would see the next world record typical come from that area. Easily..

later, MP
 
i think they should cut back on nonresidnet tags. I'm not a Wyoming hunter who thinks they should quit giving nonresidnet tags becuase i hunt in Wyoming, actually i am from Ok. i think that residents should get a very very large benifit for living in that state. Not that they should stop selling them all together just that when you sell out of state tags to some city kid from NY it takes from the country boy who lives out in wyoming for his privilege to hunt that area.
 
why is it all the non-res. fault that they should have to cut back if they are going to cut back they should do it on a precentage on both sides after all the non res people are pumping alot of money into your state to be able to hunt fish a place to stay ,eat i just dont understand why they should have to cut back on one side and not the other if theres a problem then they should cut out the doe hunting or a least cut back for management
 
what is this english class again i thought this board was about muley's we are all tired of the corrections.
we are not here for spelling or to have you guys jump our tirds every time we hit the wrong key.
i'm tired of it and have been hanging out at a different place due to it.
we are not your students and if you can't read what we say you have a problem.
i like this board but i'm not here or giving as much as i did due to this crap.
brian and all my other freinds don't take offence to this i like you guys but i know i cant spell or type and i don't need to be reminded and nether does anyone else.
english teachers just read the messages you are not grading some kids homework.
 
cmiddleton....
What the hell makes you think I can spell. I'm just having a little fun

Remember when in Wyoming you can $hit the tourist but I live here
 
i can already tell that many people are going to hate me for saying this but i am going to speak my mind anyway. region g and region h of wyoming are right where i hunt every year and have been hunting since i was a young pup and my attitude is that they don't need to cut them wayyyyyyyyyy back what they need to do is cut ALL NON RESIDENT tags!!!!!!!! i am sorry but that is the way i feel. if you were to cut the non resident tags in these areas you would not have to make it four points or better because about 50% of the population would be elimanated due to no out of staters. and then they need to do away with the slopehead tags, i mean come on,,,,,,,, shooting a slopehead, those guilty of doing this should be ashamed!!! i do understand that not all people hunt for the heads, and that is totally acceptable. i am not bashing those people, what i am saying is shot a small deer if that is the case. i have spent so many hours in this country, i worked out there for three years and my buddy has some land out there and for two years we built his cabin and all of last year we built corals for him and there are plenty of deer. the problem is overhunting, over pressure!!!!! the deer haven't got a chance when season rolls around.
 
sorry,

one more point that i would like to make with regards to one person that responded here. my parents own a motel in one of the local towns and also one of my good buddies parents own a restraunt in the same town and i am going to tell you right now without hesitating. OUT OF STATERS DO NOT BRING IN THE MONEY that you would think. some areas of wyoming are definetly benefited by tourist but it is not the hunters bringing in the money it is other such tourists. for example; skiers in jackson hole, students at the university of wyoming, photographers and wildlife viewers to yellowstone, those are the people bringing in the money to wyomings economy. so that is not a very good arguement. also why should they cut resident tags, we pay taxes, we live here, we spend and make our money here so i don't see why we as residents should have to even alittle bit compete with non residents
 
That sounds great cut all tags from non-residents that should give WYOMING a hell of alot better hunting. NOT
 
The 500,000 people in Wyoming don't pay enough for hunting/fishing licenses to even start to fund the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. I do not understand why everyone is so quick to want to kick out the nonresidents. It is also ridiculous that we are forced to pay extremely high license fees AND only get a fraction of the licenses to hunt on federal land where actual wildlife management activities are performed by FEDERAL tax dollars. Come on guys, this is getting ridiculous.

1. The day the average person can't afford to hunt is the day we will all start to lose the priviledge of hunting.
2. I love the opportunity hunt big deer as much as the next person, but we spend way too much time worrying about quality instead of just having the chance to hunt. I've donated my license fee without killing anything on many a western big game hunt. I just like going.
 
maybe by cutting all non resident tags the hunting may not get alot better but i can guarntee that it would be alot better for me as i am so sick and tired of seeing out of state license plates with 2 point deer and slopeheads hanging in the trees around there camps. maybe is should retract the statements i made early and say this. give out 85% of the tags to residents and 15% to non residents. that way while i am hunting i don't feel like i am on a cross country field trip.

by cutting the non resident tags the killing aspect of the hunt may not get alot better but unlike others i am not a hunter to kill. i am out there for the experience and by eliminating non residents my hunt is 10Xs more enjoyable.

now that i got that off my chest let me say this----- i really don't think that cutting any tags is necessarily the way to solve the problem. as i feel that everyone has equal rights to enjoy the beautiful country god gives us to enjoy, and putting up barriers between states is not the way to make it better. i believe that the wyoming game and fish has dug themselves a giant and deep hole and they have been doing it for many years and now they finally see what they have done and they are scrambling around making drastic changes to try and cover there rear ends. me as a concerned outdoorsman have done my best to tell and show the game and fish that the hunters are becoming concerned that there deer population is being destroyed right in front of there eyes. i have participated in many surveys, meetings, presentations, benefits, and other such things to be involved, so i believe i have done my part. however, we as hunters must also take some blame for our declining deer herds, we can not continue to pass the blame to our game and fish. they are trying and i think in some areas they have done an excellent job, particulary with the massive elk die off wyoming experienced last month. however, our deer population continues to die off, maybe not in the same manner as the elk and maybe not as quickly but dying none the less.

so warbirdum i already apologized before i even wrote my message but i will again apologize, however, i have seen some things from these out of staters that makes me wish they could not recieve a tag in wyoming. however, as i just explained that will not happen nor do i think that those few ignorant people that gave me this attitude should give all non residents a bad name as i am sure you are a ethical and knowledgeable hunter.
 
I agree with most of your post on cutting back non-resident tags if you are infact sick and tired of the rat race and seeing more out of state plates than WYOMING plates. Sometimes I have the same attitude in UTAH when I see the same things going on as you are stating. I know their is some real problem slob hunters that can make residents upset to the point they start blaming all non-resident hunters. We as true ethical sportsmen need to stick togeather whether it be resident or non-resident and get a handle on these type of people that can ruin your whole hunting trip. I hate garbage left behind and people shooting small bucks bothers me as well unless its young hunters harvesting these type of animals. But to each their own I guess. I have met some very nice residents that have respected me being out of state I just wish hunters could get along but its human nature that some people just have to destroy the trust of residents feelings towards non-residents. I have hunted elk in COLORADO archery where I actually have seen 10 times more non-residents than residents and often wondered if I was really in COLORADO. Seems every state anymore can not tolerate the non-residents hunting on their turf.I think if this is ever changed to reisident only for each state the prices would be for only the wealthy and the anti-hunters would have that much more fuel to eliminate hunting all togeather so we as residents and non-residents need to start respecting the land,other hunters,and mostly the animals we are hunting.
 
i am not going to get into a pissing match with you about this im sorry about the way you feel i appled this year for wyoming tags i didnt apply for doe tags i did apply for antelope tags with one doe tag not because im cheap because i thought i would give everybody a fair change to get tags if your deer population is that low you should be complaining to f&g or you elected officals not take awyay my chance at my first ever trip to wyoming by the way how much do you pay for your tags anyway?

tags--600.oo
gas--175.00
lodging--900.00 two weeks
food--200.00
tresspass fees--500
misc--500.00
killing one of your monster muleys--priceless!!!!!
 
Bigmuley....you can't tell me that it's ok for residents to shoot does or young bucks but non-res. I'm sure there are a heckeva lot less than you think. If all you saw was out of staters with trophy's hanging in the trees or in the back of their rigs you would complain that we are shooting all your big deer.

If they got the tag, they're entitled to take whatever they can or want. If it was a problem they would make it 3 or 4pt or better. C'mon man....not everybody is a trophy hunter or an expert hunter and not everyone is fortunate enough to take a 170 class buck every year just because their hunting in an area that produces them.
 
i don't think they should let the non-residnets have tags because that could make wyoming turn out just like Colorodo. went out to Pikes peak a few weeks back and their are houses everywhere. Non-resident hunters could turn Wyoming into the same thing. An out of stater builds a house here some stupid city kid follows suit.
 
Marksman;
your way of thinking makes about enough sense as a log stump. I have hunted your state for over 15 years and have not built a house there yet. Nor has any of my friends who hunt there.
As for not giving any tags to non-residents, you better think a little more before you engage your mouth. If this was to happen, you local boys would have to start paying over 200.00 for your tags in order to support your game dept. and all of it's projects. But then again you would probably just blame the out of staters because they no longer hunt your state and pay the big fees that you are probably unwilling to pay.
I remember paying 150.00 for my deer tag in WY. while you locals would buy up several deer-antelope tags for $7.50 and go out and shoot 3 or more animals for a total of 22.50. Another point, I have reported several game law violations to wardens while in your state, everyone was committed by a resident hunter except for one time around Saratoga.
I think you and several other locals need to engage your brain before you show your ignorance by popping off with your outlandish statements. You may get your wish and regret it later.
RELH
 
well, after reading the discussions on the "nonresident" issue i will give my .02. this is my view as a "nonresident". i put in for the a couple of draws in your great state this year. my first in doing so i might add. i thing the states out west have some of the greatest country and hunting in the usa. the reason i say that is, because i live in texas. we have over 500,000 deer hunters annually. sure i can hunt whitetail, mule deer and antelope here, but this is a state where only the wealthy can afford to hunt. a mule deer hunt in texas will easily go for $3500, and that is for a deer far suborditant to a good wyoming or utah deer. i know of people that have payed $10,000 for a whitetail hunt here in texas. i don't know about everyone else, but i can't afford it. in texas, there is basically no such thing as a nonresident. heck, they can't afford it either! back to nonresidents,in defense i don't consider myself one of those "shoot the first thing, screw everyone's hunt up" type of so-called hunters some of you are referring to. i admire what you in the western united states have and i just simply want to experience it. i've seen what some of my fellow "state" people have done in colorado, buying up everything and building houses they never live in except 2 weeks out of the year. i think that is totally wrong. that is a typical rich texan for you. they have no business doing that. all in all, i just want to be able to visit other states, enjoy my hunts have a good time, without being that hated nonresident.

sorry if it seems like i got off the beaten path in my post. i just wanted to give another view.
 
The non-res don't bother me any.In many cases they are more considerate and care for the resource more than the res.We tend to take living in Wyo for granted,and the great hunting we have.The non-res appreciates it more,generally speaking.And for the life of me,I can't understand why it's okay to shoot a cow elk,but no one wants to shoot a doe deer!Later,N.T.
 
Well, I'm probably going to regret this , but here goe's,GOD, I hate whiner's!!! Can't you do anything else except bash out of stater's, face up to it, you can't support your state without out of state money. If it was up to some of you resident tag's would be $2.50 each and unlimited so you could have the wood's to yourself and kill whatever YOU decided was appropiate! I own a motel also and have polled many out of state worker's as to why they where here instead of WYO,COLORADO, IDAHO etc, to a man they said the same thing " I CAN'T MAKE A LIVING WHERE I AM FROM " Do I resent them coming to our state to take a job away from a local ? absolutely not,go where the opportunity is, BUT, don't go back to your home state after siphoning off our high paying job's and complain about "non-resident's ". I remember going out to dinner with my wife in Pagosa Spring's CO. driving through a sea of orange to get to the resturant and then waiting for a table with about 30 hunter's also waiting, and because we had put on CIVILIAN clothes and didn't look like everyone else waiting we were givin a table quicker and told by the waitress ( whose pockets were full of tip's )that it was nice to wait on us rather than those out of state hunter jerk's, of course she did get a little red -faced when my wife told her we were waiting for our elk to get processed. Whiner's will contribute greatly to the demise of our sport , as someone else said , you complain about out of stater's and when they don't show up you'll then complain that fish and game is broke because we didn't come, it will alway's be someone else's fault that your state has a problem, never your's. Just remember, not everyone want's to ride fence or bust sod for little or no money so, don't be so resentful of folk's who have the money to build a house in (not your state) but , the state you happen to live in, they built on private property and most likely put local people to work, that's why we have state,federal land's and wilderness area's to hunt in, If you want to complain, complain about rancher's with nothing more than grazing right's that keep everyone off THEIR land, or lease it out to the highest bidder, and don't forget your guide's and outfitter's, look at all the outsider's they bring in, oh yes, let's not forget the rancher's whose land surround's public land but, won't allow tresspass to get to OUR/YOUR land, bottom line if it's legal and you don't like it , change the law or learn to live with it !! Most of you won't have to worry anyhow, within 10 yr's the wolve's will have eaten all the game.
 
USA;
Very well said and you brought up some very valid points that needs to be addressed by the locals in wyoming, instead of blaming everything off on the non-resident. Thank god that most of the locals in Wyoming are very considerate persons and will treat us non-residents with respect. In Lusk, WY. the people even put on a free dinner for the hunters in order to thank them for the money they bring to the area during the hunting season. The local women even work in the wild game processing plant to bring in extra money to their families. They did a very good job of processing our deer and antelope.
The whiners on this forum are small in numbers, and would find somthing else to whine about for the sake of whining. I just wished they would learn to engage their brain before they open their mouth and come up with something that has valid points for discussion. Oh well! it takes all kinds of persons and idiots to make the world go around.

RELH
 
Any and all of you non-residents are more than welcome to hunt the great golden state of Kalifornicated. We open our borders to anyone that wants to take advantage of us poor tax payers. So, please non-residents apply for all the big game spieces that you can here on the left coast. With open arms and thin wallets, sincerely Ahhrnold

PS For you trophy hunters, Kalifornicated has produced 3 nontypical mule deer that scored over 300" in the past. Please come
 
relh i am not from colorodo actually i am from Oklahoma, all i know is that the population density out their is lot more than it is here. If you hunt by pike peak you are only a short way away from two big cities. reasons, i think that increased amount of tourism and non-resident hunting cause to many people to think of how nice it would be to build a house out in the middle of mule deer country. Here in Oklahoma we have very few tourist and even fewer non resident hunters. Therefore, the part of Oklahoma that i live in has very few people living in it.
 
relh;

first off let me say this, just to restate what i said earlier in my posts.

i never said they should do away with all non resident tags, just in region g and h, and also only for a couple years. i don't think that residents should be punished for over hunting. although there are way to many resident tags available for these areas as well. i think that in these areas overhunting in general is the problem. not residents, not non residents, but over hunting as a whole. i think they need to make these areas special draw units for a couple years to help out the deer population. for residents and non alike. the people that replied to my posts obviously did not read them all the way through because they would have seen that my attitude is just for recovery sake. if think it is sad that barriers are being set between statess. i personally would love to hunt deer in utah, colorado, idaho, and arizone, who wouldn't!!! so, yes non resident tags should be cut, not forever, just for awhile.

and to regards to your post, it is sad isn't it, poaching is wrong, even more so for a resident. people should be proud of there land and there animals and why they would ruin it by poaching is just crazy. as far as poaching is concerned i personally have never had much problem with non residents. they seem to respect the wildlife and land of wyoming. however, if you want to talk money, i will. i personally would be fine with paying $200 for a deer tag. and if that would drive off all the people that are not willing to pay this, i say great. i would gladly pay $200 and alot more. so once again, the money issue is just not going to work here.
 
BIG MULEY if you would start hunting the wilderness areas in your state I think this would eliminate the problem of seeing non-resident hunters. Not to many nons pay for a guide just so they can touch foot on the wilderness. And yes I agree just cut tags back if need be it so the deer can be managed to produce a high qaulity hunt again without seeing so many hunters everywhere.It will be interesting to see how many tags they will be cutting back this year.
 
Big Muley & Warbirdum;
Both of you have hit on the problem concerning hunting in Wyoming, and a few other states that are noted for excellant hunting. The state game dept. is money hungry and in most cases will issue too damn many tags in order to pull in more money. The persons who control the game dept. are too greedy for the revenue that comes in from the tag sales and will sell more tags then they should based on the deer population. Most of these tags are earmarked for the non-resident due to the higher selling price of the tag and more money in their pockets.
You can not blame the non-resident for putting into the drawing when the tags are offered to him. Heck! I remember doe tags being offered to non-residents for 25 bucks each and you could buy as many as you wallet could bear. A wyoming game warden, I will not mention which area, told me that they oversold the tags and next year were crying in their beer because they had a severe winter kill after allowing the deer and antelope to be over harvested.
From the start of this post, about cutting back on the hunting due to winter kill, it seems that they may have learned a lesson from several years ago. I have no problems with tags being cut back to save the quality hunting, I just get a little P.O.ed when locals try to blame non-residents and will not look at the real cause of the problem, their own game dept. officials who will not even listen to their own wardens-biologists when they yell for reduction in tags and hunting.
We do not have much of a problem with this in CA. due to the animal rights idiots that inhabit this state. Our game biologists are calling for more doe hunts, buck-doe ratio is way out of wack, but we can't get the doe hunts due to the animal rights idiots that raise such a big stink about killing bambi.
You locals need to keep a close eye on your game dept. and make the bigwigs work towards improving the herd and the quality of the deer.
Good luck & Hunting;
RELH
 
i don't care who gets tags as long as i get mine i think they should draw mine first then let everyone else have the rest.
come on mr warden please pick ME
 
I've been gone for a week. This is interesting. The problems are all mentioned. The deal is Wyoming Game and Fish needs to focus more on QUALITY and less on getting more hunters out there in one, short, condensed season. All of the mule deer hunting in Wyoming should be LIMITED QUOTA for BOTH RESIDENTS AND NONRESIDENTS. That way, they can actually MANAGE the wildlife. At present, they don't even know herd numbers or how many hunters will really show up and hunt, since any resident who wants can buy a license and show up. That's a joke.

Wyoming needs to look at some of the conservatively managed states around us with larger human populations and develop a good plan for our mule deer. At present, they just do what they have alwys done - literally for the last 30+ years. Times are changing and all hunters are better equipped and more serious about killing big bucks.

I'd like to see all of Wyoming go on quotas, like Nevada and Colorado, so we can have QUALITY hunts when we get a license. I quit going to G and H after '97 because of the crowds, and won't go back until the season structure is changed. Magnificent mule deer country that is very poorly managed. Too bad.

If we (Wyoming) go to a quota system, there will still be areas like J, T and the Black Hills where we can go every year. And we need PREFERENCE POINTS FOR DEER, too. We also need limited quotas for archery and muzzleloader licenses. That way, Game and Fish can still sell more licneses, make their $$$ and let us have some early or late, quality, primitive weapon hunts.

Come to the party, Game and Fish. It's not 1950 any more and you need to change your management to suit todays's demands.

That's more than my two cents worth, but this is a sore subject with me. Give me a quality hunt so I don't have to drive to Nevada or Colorado for one. This hurts, especially when I live in a state that could have some of the best muley hunting.

Wyoming is a great place to live, but we could have much better quality deer hunts if Game and Fish owuld just manage deer like they do antelope and even elk.
 
ICMDEER , very good reply . I agree 100% although from a nonresident viewpoint .
 
ICMDEER....
You are 100% Incorect. They can cut your tag and the nonresident tags by 50%, but they will not cut my tag or any other resident tags, for we are the ones who keep this state running. Not the nonresidents

ICMDEER... REMEMBER YOU CAN $HIT THE TOURIST BUT I LIVE HERE
 
ST,

I always say that arrogance and ignorance are a tough combination to overcome. You verify that belief. It saddens me that you actually live in Wyoming because you sure don't represent the other good people who live here.
 
Does WYOMING have any groups like UTAHS sporstmen for fish and wildlife that have meetings and where the public can be heard on these type of issues? I think it has really helped UTAHS hunting some may disagree but I thinks it has helped alot. Management can not be repaired overnight but groups like these can make a big difference on decisions being made. I as a non-resident would like to see bonus points for deer and antelope and also waiting periods applied. If you draw a deer or antelope tag you should have to wait two full seasons before you can apply again. I do agree that residents should also be a draw only for g and h but make it so they can at least draw every other year with no waiting periods for the resident it would only be fair. By doing this these regions could become some of the best mule deer hunting in the west. Even if we all have to pay more for the tags the experience and qaulity would be great. Residents should also get at least 70 percent of the tags offered. How many feel this would be good for deer management or be a bad decision?
 
Wyoming does not have any groups that are effective in influencing Game and Fish, at least where I live. Game and Fish will someday be forced to change management, but I feel like it will take a major crisis to get their attention. At present, it is business as usual. Same plan for 30 years that I have paid attention.

I'd still prefer a system like Colorado or Nevada, where we have much smaller areas than the present regions. That would allow more precise management. With preference or bonus points and the use of archery and muzzleloader licenses, I'd still bet everyone could hunt every year, and with a higher quality license. It should enhance the quality of the hunts, not diminish them.

But good luck bringing about any changes.
 
It all comes down to what you want, deer or hunters? If they would have pulled there head out 10 years ago hunting might be on the rise again instead of the cutbacks on tags.
 

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