Droptine Bull

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Check out the 20+ inch droptine on this AZ bull. I sure wish I had an AZ tag this year...

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Wow, great pix and great bull!
I can't beleive he hasn't broken that dropper off, but i'm sure he will when he get's rutting hard.
 
Great bulls! Nice dropper! THX for sharing! If you don't mind me askin...what unit is that?

Scott G.
 
I wouldn't shoot that bull he must have inferior genetics or something-retarded. Looks weird. ALthough that country looks like 4B or 5B north so if you are in to messed up bulls I would give that area a look.
 
Sure wish I had a close-up look at that Bull. I to think the rut will take care of that dropper.
 
That bull is a stud. I'd keep the unit # to myself if I were you huntscout. Bulls like that are tough to come by.....
 
haha ive seen this bull. its 3B in arizona. thats because i live here in the white mountains and i didnt get a tag. so for every one thats interested, its 3B
 
That is a nice bull. He will gross real good, but his deductions would be pretty high. I would keep quite on the location of that bull, unless you want some schmo to kill him. Not many hunters would let that bull walk while in the crosshairs.

PRO
 
Pro,
You seen any like that on that one unit this year?Tell your hunter not to miss or I will be after him once the muzzy season starts.he he
 
Wow! Very nice. That's some of the most impressive big bull video I've seen in a long time.

The monsoon rains have finally started falling in AZ elk units, how long do you think before they start shedding velvet?
 
While others might be wondering about deductions, I would be squeezing the trigger! Great bull and video.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
I wouldn't care about deductions at all.
He would be hitting the dirt.

Great bull! Thanks for the vid.

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The only deductions I would worry about would be the ones from my bank account after taxidermist fees
 
Wow, what an outstanding bull! It'll be interesting to see if you can get any more footage of him before he sheds. Those antlers have a lot of character with the drop tine and also the down-turned brow tine on the left side and the 7th point on that side as well.
 
I believe this might be the bull that was described to me this morning. If it is, it is not in 3B, but in the unit which I have an archery bull tag for. I will ask the guy who has been seeing this bull to check out the photo and verify. He told me this is the fourth year he has seen this bull.
 
Looks like another big bull has been bought and sold here in AZ! McClenden's hunter just shot this bull this morning with the auction tag purchased last year. The tag was good through the 31st of July. Unfortunatley the bull was shot in a private meadow and was finished off just a couple hundred yards from houses as the residents watched screaming from the top of their lungs to stop shooting. This is no rumor as I saw the bull with my own eyes in the back of the truck out there in the meadow by the homes. When we got out of the truck to check the bull out, one of the many Game and Fish officers on the scene related the story to us.
This is a very sad day for elk hunters.
 
you have any pics to share. Were there any legal troubles with the one who shot the bull?

>Looks like another big bull has
>been bought and sold here
>in AZ! McClenden's hunter just
>shot this bull this morning
>with the auction tag purchased
>last year. The tag
>was good through the 31st
>of July. Unfortunatley the
>bull was shot in a
>private meadow and was finished
>off just a couple hundred
>yards from houses as the
>residents watched screaming from the
>top of their lungs to
>stop shooting. This is
>no rumor as I saw
>the bull with my own
>eyes in the back of
>the truck out there in
>the meadow by the homes.
> When we got out
>of the truck to check
>the bull out, one of
>the many Game and Fish
>officers on the scene related
>the story to us.
>This is a very sad day
>for elk hunters.
 
Doesn't sound like it. Sounds more like a typical bunny sheriff deal but who knows.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-27-07 AT 10:10AM (MST)[p]I know for a fact that KO is telling the truth. My uncle ran into these dudes yester after the bull was loaded up. Another friend of the family saw the Games and fish at majestics where they took the bull. The game and fish told him they took the bull away from them for shooting it in a residential area.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-27-07 AT 08:44AM (MST)[p]What if they had permission to be on the private land? Then it'd all be good right? Now if they can prove they shot it over 1/4 mi from any dwelling then it all should be ok too. Hard to tell exactly where you shot from in a field with no land marks. Just wondering why the accusations, or assumptions rather, that anything wrong happened. Who cares if a lady or guy was screaming from their back porch? I don't. As long as they were 1/4 mile away then she can scream her little bunny lovin A$$ off for all I care. The fish cops better have their facts straight or it's gonna cost them. Actually it'll cost US since we pay their salleries, court fees etc..... Time will tell I guess. Just glad I'm not involved in a mess like that. It's not a sad day for elk hunters either, it was a sad day for that bull but that's it.

Josh

>Looks like another big bull has
>been bought and sold here
>in AZ! McClenden's hunter just
>shot this bull this morning
>with the auction tag purchased
>last year. The tag
>was good through the 31st
>of July. Unfortunatley the
>bull was shot in a
>private meadow and was finished
>off just a couple hundred
>yards from houses as the
>residents watched screaming from the
>top of their lungs to
>stop shooting. This is
>no rumor as I saw
>the bull with my own
>eyes in the back of
>the truck out there in
>the meadow by the homes.
> When we got out
>of the truck to check
>the bull out, one of
>the many Game and Fish
>officers on the scene related
>the story to us.
>This is a very sad day
>for elk hunters.
 
What is meant by, "When we got out of the truck to check the bull out, one of the many Game and Fish officers on the scene related the story to us."?
 
My guess is that a bunch of people did not know that it was hunting season (with and auction tag) and called G&F.

Hopefully people will not jump to conclusions here, but that is not the tradition!
 
Yeah, people can scream all they want in my book. As long as the hunters & guides did everything right, they should be okay. People think they own the animals just because they see them or feed them, they are just plan freaks and forget that these are wild animals and if you have a permit and your a quater mile away from an occupied structure (Arizona Law) it is legal and they can be shot just like any other animal.

I am not big on the buying of an animal but these tags do bring on a lot of money to support habitat and wildlife. Nice bull, hopefully everyone did everthing right and they can all call it good!
 
I would leave all the game and fish speculation to the side... Let them sort it out and we'll find out the facts later when they are presented. No sense in making a big deal out of the situation until we know more than what the Game and Fish relays to us...
 
Its amazing how fast somebody will post accusations on the world wide web in an attempt to discredit or bring down other people. Especially given the fact that they were not even there. Its really sad that anytime a big animal is killed it comes down to this.

I would let everything get sorted out and post facts rather than speculation.

Anytime a story starts out, "I was told by....", you know its not going to be 100% accurate

Drum
 
>I'm positive that KO doesn't have
>all the facts...


How can you be positive if you were not there Stan? I was there and touched the bull in the back of the truck! I spoke directly to one of the game and fish officers on the scene! I have not tried to discredit anyone nor speculated on anything. I am only relaying the facts. I can show you a picture of the siezure tag on the bull if that would make you happy.
The point that is in question is the distance that they were from the nearest house when they fired the shot. I don't want to get into what I have heard from Game and Fish or what the hunters told Game and Fish. I am sure that will come out through the legal process.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-27-07 AT 12:04PM (MST)[p]>Its amazing how fast somebody will
>post accusations on the world
>wide web in an attempt
>to discredit or bring down
>other people. Especially given
>the fact that they were
>not even there. Its
>really sad that anytime a
>big animal is killed it
>comes down to this.
>
>I would let everything get sorted
>out and post facts rather
>than speculation.
>
>Anytime a story starts out, "I
>was told by....", you know
>its not going to be
>100% accurate
>
>Drum


Drum,
I never started my story " I was told by". I was actually there! I spoke to Game and Fish on the scene! I have not related any speculation or second hand information. I was going to post a picture of the seizure tag on the rack, but because it shows the hunters name I will not. I just feel it is unfortunate that people watched from their homes as this bull was wouned and suffering before the third shot finally killed it. I also don't like the fact that outfitters pay finder fees for bulls, then go kill it the first time they ever see it. Super hard hunt for the outfitter and client. They had to walk at least a couple hundred yards before they shot at this bull! If they would have just watched him for one day they would know his pattern and they could have killed him without any of these complications on Forest Service land!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-27-07 AT 12:14PM (MST)[p]Here is a pic of the rack. It grosses 412 and change. The drop tine measures 24".

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I have smeared the personal information on this pic of the seizure tag. Like I said before, I am only sharing the facts.

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Oops, my fault KO, I didnt realize that you were actually there and witnessed somebody break a game law. In your earlier post I thought you said that you saw it in the bed of a truck and when you pulled over to see the elk you had one of many game and fish officers relay a story to you, hence the "I was told...". My bad!

I must have missed the part about you being there on the hunt.

I see where you got on Stan about not being there when he came on MM and asked to let the facts play out before passing judgement on anything or anybody. Stan, shame on you for questioning the internet personality "KO", He was there on the actual hunt! I believe you owe him an apology!

Damn, I feel horrible now that I know you actually witnessed every aspect of the hunt and have come on MM out of the goodness of your heart to relay all of the events to us here. Please accept my "sincerest" apology.

Drum
 
My bad Drum. No apology neccessary. I should have known better than to post anything at all.
Did I ever say somebody broke a law? Chill out dude! I am just relaying some facts.
 
>My bad Drum. No apology neccessary.
> I should have known
>better than to post anything
>at all.
>Did I ever say somebody broke
>a law? Chill out
>dude! I am just
>relaying some facts.

You are sure implying someone did. Otherwise, what is your point?

PRO
 
I am just showing that Game and Fish took the rack. The whole point of this post was the bad light this shines on Elk hunting because people witnessed the bull suffering right next to their homes before the hunters actually finished him off.
 
I thought this started out simply showing a cool looking bull!?

I am not sure we should/shouldn't kill an animal based on the reactions of a few bunnyhuggers, but some caution I suppose could be taken. I got the feeling from YOU, that this bull was killed illegally, not merely killed insensitively. That is two completely different things. YOU have implied it was killed illegally, intentionally or not.

PRO
 
G&F just wanted the bull for themselves. The hunter was 500+ yards from the homes. But you cant predict which way the bull is going to run after being shot, which was towards the houses.
G&F did not even see them shoot the bull, they just heard the shots.
 
To all,
If you have invested interest in any or all the parties involved then how about posting your interpretations of the events. AZ402, I assume that's what you were trying to do but it was in a combative way which only will get responses to the contrary which doesn't help "your" cause. Would you please state what your understanding of what happened.

Here's what my understanding is for all those who are starting to hear the grumblings so that you can have a background. I'm sure more light will be poured on the matter but ALOT will be heresay.

The bull largely inhabited a residential area, which is why he was easily discovered. McClendon was informed as to the whereabouts of the bull. As to whether or not he paid a finders fee or not I can't say with assurance, although I doubt that would be admitted to if history is any indicator.

He took his hunter in to shoot the bull. There were multiple shots involved. The initial shot is in question to be under the 1/4 mile law. This is where the heresay comes into play like Josh eluded to, however there was a game warden apparently watching the events unfold. There were then follow up shots needed to finish off the bull, while there were residential onlookers. My question is, " weren't these follow up shots even closer to the houses and well within the 1/4 mile realm?" Whether the first shot was or was not 1/4 mile away wouldn't matter if that were the case.

My info is second hand, but from the wardens mouth. Can anyone else give any other interpretation?
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-27-07 AT 04:12PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jul-27-07 AT 03:34 PM (MST)

I am in no way involved with any part of this situation, but as an outsider I see some real problems with this situation:

--It was stated that the bull was shot 500 yards from the houses (which obviously is a complete guess). 500 yards = 1,500 feet. A mile is 5,280 feet. 1/4 of a mile is 1,320 feet. Why would a guide and hunter in such an obviously public setting take such a risk? Absolute stupidity by the guide and hunter if the above is true and it sounds like more shooting was required within the illegal distance.

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Muley and all others that want to get on the hate wagon,

How about an actual recount of the "true" events if the ones stated earlier are not true? Obviously, it is real close to the truth because of Stan's previous comments about being 1/4 mile. John was out there with a rangefinder splittin hairs as to the distance eaqualing 1/4. It may or may not have been but sure was damn close. Close enough to talk about it.

How about coming on and setting the events straight. No one will do it because their recount of events are going to be the same or DAMN close and their embarrased to state the events themselves. So quit baggin on everyone else...history is history...can't change it.

You guys are probably Barry Bonds apologists also. Barry Bonds has never tested positive for steroids therefore he must not have done them..right. Correct, if your blind and stupid!

Just because someone gets a first hand account from a Game Warden who has gathered the facts from those involved doesn't make their information wrong. You don't have to be there when the shots ring out to get the facts.
 
And for the record I personally have no problem if a bull was shot near houses with people screaming.. Like you who cares, can't please everyone. However you guys are ripping on someone who stated events that obviously are real close to accurate. The events are what they are... The bull got seized!!!! If this is not correct call us blatent liars. If not get off the love wagon, clones. KO is the only one who has stated a FACT...a picture with the sieze tag on the bull. ARe you clones going to say this was photoshopped? Oh ya, I forgot Barry's muscles are all natural!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-27-07 AT 05:23PM (MST)[p]Ko, I to did not realize that the bull had been seized, as you did not say that in your original message. It definitely sounds like a mess and a legal battle none the less. Very interesting...
 
I am sure G&F just took the bull for the hell of it. Yea maybye he might get off and get the bull back but why are a few of U guys just trying to tare KO a new one when he is the only one here to have seen the rack and F&G taking contol of the head. This is just same ole MM bashing as normal. U bet it puts a bad light on those type of tags and how they can be used. That said i sure hope the guy did everything right and gets his head back if it was done right. G&f does just not take someones elk because they wanted too.
 
Yes it was 3B. Oh wait I was not actually there when it was killed so that could just be heresay....My bad. Sorry for sharing false 2nd hand information again.
 
I am sure that there is not one person involved in this that would not have done things differently if they could. The situation sucks no matter what the truth is. I know that KO was not trying to tar and feather anyone and nobody meant to do the same to him, but like most issues on MM the emotions got a little out of hand. These are all good people but even good people get caught in regretable circumstances at some time.

Hey, antler developement sure looks good in that unit!

BTW will somebody tell 270 what unit this was in...it is not my info to divulge. I think the dude is going to have a corinary! LOL
 
>I thought this started out simply
>showing a cool looking bull!?
>
>
>I am not sure we should/shouldn't
>kill an animal based on
>the reactions of a few
>bunnyhuggers, but some caution I
>suppose could be taken. I
>got the feeling from YOU,
>that this bull was killed
>illegally, not merely killed insensitively.
>That is two completely different
>things. YOU have implied it
>was killed illegally, intentionally or
>not.
>
>PRO


Hey Pro, I don't want to beat a dead horse, but the fact that Game and Fish seized the rack would imply that THEY think that something was wrong. I never accussed the hunters of doing anything illeagle, but rather pointed out the actions of the Game and Fish. I am sorry if you thought I was implying they did something illeagle, that was not my intent. I just thought people would be intereted to know about a giant bull that got shot. The rack was seized after my initial post and this thread has turned into a nightmare!
 
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Sounds like so far the only fact is, KO saw the bull in the back of the truck and later with a confiscation tag on the antlers. That is the only "eye witness" account that has been established. Also sounds like the legal question here is the 1/4 mile rule.
 
" One of the many Game and Fish officers" yeah this has setup written all over it. I rarely see one G&F officer in the mountains, never "many". In a nother thread a Game Warden talks about selling little deer racks that were picked up for $10 and keeping the large ones to sell for a large profit. Sounds like G&F just wants to make some money.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-28-07 AT 02:49AM (MST)[p]Muley man- you're so full of $hit your eyes are brown. Anyone on here is free to go read my (entire) post and see if that's what I said. You act as if the wardens get ANY kind of profit or return on their 10 year investment of college and training beyond the shitty wage, bad back, and endless stream of BS from whining hunters who want everyone ELSE to follow the laws but throw a leg-flapping fit when they or one of their friends isn't allowed to do whatever the hell they want without consequence. Has there ever been an animal seized that some number of Yahoos on MM didn't accuse the warden of being crooked? How about this, when you find a skull in my district- don't touch it, it doesn't belong to you! If you don't want to get your animals seized, obey the law! Or do us both a favor and just take up golf.

It's a real shame this bull didn't make for a happy ending. The damn thing didn't even get a chance to finish growing it's antlers, I guess that's the warden's fault too.

Knock yourself out bad-mouthing me, I've obviously worn out my welcome on here anyway. See you in the hills.

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KO, way to speak up. I for one appreciate your comments and insight in this matter. Those guys shouldn't have been shooting where there was even a chance of causing problems.

I can't wait to see this in the next Massbock video, "Backyard Bulls gone wild."
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-28-07 AT 09:22AM (MST)[p]
Geez, I thought we'd make it through this whole thing without some knucklehead draggin Mossback into this!!

As for the original topic of this thread...that is one awesome bull!! I will wait to see how this plays out before I start with my personal judgements of anyone involved.
 
timberlinewarden, I sure hope you stick around. I know you have thicker skin than this. You make some VERY valid points and there are many people here with many opinions that are welcome.

You sure haven't worn out your welcome.

I hate to see the bull go this way too.

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Nice bull. I'm sure the guides had all their ducks in a row. Nothing will come of it but some jealous slander. Which is to be expected from the masses who have never seen bull of this caliber on the mountain, Yellowstone park or in somebodys backyard. Its the same old shizzl every year. Heliochoppers, chute planes, tresspassing, blocking roads, armed confrontations, 30 guides on one animal, privated ground, reservations, blah, blah, blah. Nothing ever comes of it.
And what is all this BS " the bull was suffering" and "I hate to see the bull go this way".
News flash!!!! When you shoot a living animal its gonna hurt! Its gonna feel pain! Its gonna suffer for a bit! What world are you guys living in?
If the bull was within an open unit, which I'm sure it was then good on em! Congrats to the guides and the hunter! When the F&G gets done with their Micro investigation the bull will be returned to the hunter and all will be well. Mark my words.
Later
 
"I hate to see the bull go this way" means in a residential area, having to range to the nearest occupied homes, getting a rush guide license to pay the finders fee, Two days left in the yearlong hunt and they will get their moneys worth, having a bull of this caliber even get confiscated for that matter. I am no stranger to the killing of animals and seeing what they go through when being shot, arrowed or the like.

Maybe I didn't come across correctly. Again, I hope I cleared things up. This doesn't qualify as a "hunt of a lifetime for a huge bull" in my book. Maybe you will buy the vid.

Any questions you can PM me if you like.

...Later

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Maybe the real issue should be the people who built their homes in wildlfe habitat. Funny thing is if it were joe shmoe who killed the bull nobody would really care if it were within 500 yrds of someones house. Since it was an auction tag its a sad sad day for elk hunters. I think that was a quote also.
Thanks on buying the vid. I don't need a vid to see 400 inch bulls hit the dirt every year. Later.
 
Isaynunya,
I think Chef has valid points. It seems alot of people pick sides on the so called "guide vs. non-guide" issue. The line between the two has grown on theses forums because people argue over whether it's fair, unfair, etc. Kinda like democrats vs. republicans. It does not matter what the issue, grey area or not, people will argue for or against depending on their allegiances. this makes no sense. If looking at this situation from a non-biased, OBJECTIVE view would you rather not have had this bull killed after a scouting period, a little bit of a "chase" and possibly on video if wanted without houses in the background of the video. I would dare to say that with hindsight being 20/20 that the hunter and guide themselves would have done it a different way if they are honest with themselves. That's all people are saying. They are not saying they are criminals or anything like that. So lets not start bashing just for the sake of being defensive. I get sick of hearing " here we go again anytime anything big is killed we get the jealous sorts that have never seen a bull like that before wanting to crusify these awesome hunters.....blah blah blah".

Take the events for what they are and leave it at that.
 
Nunya is dead on. Anytime a big bull is taken with the aid of a guide, the wailing and gnashing of teeth starts, out come the accusations of flat out lawbreaking or 'cheating'. I will be shocked if this bull is not returned to the hunter when it is all said and done. The Outfitter involved in a classy org., and I will give them the benefit of the doubt over a few animal loving home-owners. In hind-sight, I dare say I would do something different EVERYDAY. So, to see so many pile on and look for any flaws in the actions of those who CAN, maybe those who CAN'T should either learn how to get it done, or worry about their own damn selves!

PRO
 
>Isaynunya,
>I think Chef has valid points.
>It seems alot of people
>pick sides on the so
>called "guide vs. non-guide" issue.
>The line between the two
>has grown on theses forums
>because people argue over whether
>it's fair, unfair, etc. Kinda
>like democrats vs. republicans. It
>does not matter what the
>issue, grey area or not,
>people will argue for or
>against depending on their allegiances.
>this makes no sense.
>If looking at this situation
>from a non-biased, OBJECTIVE view
>would you rather not have
>had this bull killed after
>a scouting period, a little
>bit of a "chase" and
>possibly on video if wanted
>without houses in the background
>of the video. I would
>dare to say that with
>hindsight being 20/20 that the
>hunter and guide themselves would
>have done it a different
>way if they are honest
>with themselves. That's all people
>are saying. They are not
>saying they are criminals or
>anything like that. So lets
>not start bashing just for
>the sake of being defensive.
>I get sick of hearing
>" here we go again
>anytime anything big is killed
>we get the jealous sorts
>that have never seen a
>bull like that before wanting
>to crusify these awesome hunters.....blah
>blah blah".
>
>Take the events for what they
>are and leave it at
>that.


Bubbas,

Thats pretty much spot on!

Drum
 
The only caveat I would add to that is that most of the time when an animal is harvested with the aid of a guide/outfitter/special tag there are those that consistantly try to bring them down.

Heck, it could be an animal that was killed on private ground and they would let everybody know that they feel that it is a lesser animal than one killed DIY on public ground.

That type of attitude gets VERY old, I guess ot comes down to the saying "If you dont have anything nice to say then dont say anything at all". Its worse in here than it is in a kindergarten classroom. Pretty pathetic really.

I cant stand it, I very seldom post anymore because of this type of attitude. It grates on me to see people jump on the chance to try and slander or demean others. If its bad news or negative press they are all over it like Oprah on a donut.
 
The guy that pulled the trigger is not actually a "hunter"! He is a person who simply follows another until he is told to shoot.. The reason everyone makes a big deal of the Guided kills of a monster animal is because most people get much more excited about a DIY kinda guy knowing that he probably actually hunted the animal and worked hard to harvest it. Why do some of you not get this? I have nothing against money, big shots, auctioned tags or even "guides". Its simply the fact that the guys that are pulling the trigger leave us nothing to get excited about or to praise them about when they were taken to it and got out of the truck and BOOM! If you are truly a traditional hunter then you would have to agree. IF you are someone that enjoys going along and watching someone else pull the trigger then good for you and I dont have a problem with that either. But for hell sakes you are a damn liar if you think thats what the Tradition of hunting is all about. Its a damn joke IMO but I still like all sportsmen I just think it definately takes away from the excitement of someone that does it with freinds and family..
Go ahead and Argue it once again but you are not really what hunting is all about. To Commercialize hunting should no longer be.. And just to clarify.. I personally buy multiple conservation/landowner tags each year. I just do it how its supposed to be done.. WITH MY OWN BINOS and SCOPE and making it happen without someone to find it for me just so they can get some FAME out of it..
 
If anybody was wondering what kinds of posts I was refering to, see above post...

You dont have to congratulate anybody or even comment if you dont feel like its a trophy in your eyes. Remember children, if you dont have anything nice to say why say it at all...

Drum
 
Ok, maybe I'm the moron. I just realized his post is a locked thread and all you can do is read it. My bad

Josh
 
Come on Jed...... I was just startin to believe all your factual information until you went to spouting off numbers and saying that rack will measure at "412 and change". By lookin at the picture I did a little calculating and factulating myself and there's no way that bull will go more than 409 3/8's!!!!! I've killed pig-a-linas that don't stink as bad as your story! ;-)
 
Wow!!!

If everything was legal, congrats to the hunter, what a stud bull.

I hope everything was legit, if McClendon was the guide, he's pretty well respected, I'd hate to see something like this hurt his rep of being a good elk guide.

Is that ethical?
 
It's unfortunate that so many folks that work for gov. agencies feel like they are underpaid and so persecuted. If I felt that way I would look for another job and maybe be a little happier person. JMO
Not sure why being a game warden would give one a bad back though.
That isn't good.
Not sure why everyone is so up in arms at each other over something nobody that wasn't there knows the true facts. It will all come out in the "investigation". I am just hoping nothing illegal really happened.
 
WOW look at all the posts in three days .In the first 14 days only 26 posts. I just returned from scouting there as i have a 3b sept muzzey tag (only took 20 years to draw) and that bull was the object of my quest. I guess my friends were correct in that the shelf life of any bull over 400 and posted on these sites is less than 2 weeks. well its only going to get harder and harder to find large bulls that someone else hasnt seen. and when its your tag and the bull you found and the bull shows up on some site, remember the shelf life might be less than two weeks. and all the work and time and resources you bring to bare on the quest are the largest part of the huntwith the most rewards, and with out those ,the largest 400+ bull is no thophy .
 
Az has so many 400 bulls you should be able to find one tomarrow or the next day for sure, Try looking around that bush over there or up under that crooked tree up the road, I understand they are thicker then flies at a $hitpile, Sorry you didn't get a chance at a bull that was well known and not to hard to find, But hey it could be a good thing your not in trouble with the Gammies over the shot. Hope you find another great bull.
 
he wasnt in the morgan flat subdivision when i saw him ,thats where he went.there not as thick as flies on a s%$#@!!pile andi look alot. but ithink this bull (come fAR NORTH from casino). But i will find another. mabey only 380 but i will enjoy it ive got weeks to go look at bull after bull with total anticipation!how lucky!!!!!
 
No matter how you slice it. The big downer here is its not good press we are getting here.
The "hunter" paid 10000 plus thousand dollars plus a finders fee WTF ! SHOT THE BULL BASICALLY IN A SUBDIVISION WITH PROLLY EX KALIFORNIA FOLKS SCREAMING! LESS THAN A QUARTER MILE FROM HOMES !SORRY NOT GOOD FOR US AS A GROUP!
BAN THE HIGH DOLLAR AUCTION TAGS PUT MORE MONEY INTO RMEF TO PROTECT MORE HABITAT .
 
Whether any laws were broken or not, it's a bad deal all around....

Shame on the hunter for waiting until his last week of eligibility, forcing himself into a situation like this.

Shame on the guide for not waiting to catch the bull heading in or out of the meadow, further from the houses. (It's not like there was going to be any pressure from other hunters.)

Shame on the na?ve neighbors for thinking the bull belonged to them or had some sort of hunter-immunity privilege.

Shame on the bull for choosing a town as habitat.

Shame on AZ G&F for allowing any tag, auctioned or not, to be valid in f&%#ng July.
 
"Shame on the hunter for waiting until his last week of eligibility, forcing himself into a situation like this."

Perhaps he had no choice.


Without the resident's permission, you may
not discharge a firearm within 1/4 mile of an
occupied residence while taking wildlife. 1/4 mile is only 440 yards, not 500. If the bull was standing within that 1/4 mile range and the hunter was not, no law was broken.






It's Bush's fault!!!
 
KO thanks for the post and pics. I'm glad you went to the trouble.
Timberwarden....as chef says stay tuned YOU are very welcome here. Thick skin is a must but very welcome. Please keep giving your insight.

What happens to the bull now that it has been seized? I'm sure the game department doesn't preserve it. Doesn't the velvet rot if its not taken care of when its this green. Isn't it too green to just strip? ANyone know???

I think its a crappy waste myself, and would have a hard time shooting an animal in someones "backyard". I don't care how big it was. IMO
 
Thanks for answering this in another post about the bull making it to a taxidermist. I'd hate to see it go to waste.
 
So when people build in the elk's backyard, the whole area is off limits????

PRO
 
Hunting is more about aesthetics to me, again IMO.... He could have shot it in their driveway as far as I am concerned. I really don't care. Nothing about what was done about the hunt interests me accept for the money that was spent to help the animals in the first place. Paying a finders fee, paying guide fees, shooting an animal "in the city" Shooting an animal that is someones "pet". Nothing of that intrests me. Doesn't mean he can't do it and be happy. If I had that tag, I sure would have done things different. Thats just me though. I do have a right I think to say I don't appreciate the black eye, but again, there are so many liberal assholes out there that don't understand, even that may not be a big deal.
 
Alright folks its over with the elk was killed and the antlers were confiscated. The bull was shot near houses but shot a legal distance away. IT was a great animal and some people saw it as a pet. Let it go and leave the guides alone!!!
 

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