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Well I just heard last night that the Indians were out last week taking large Bulls in the Quilomene for the VELVET!!! Cmon!!!
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Oh my God!
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Here we go again!!
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Rotten BA$TURD$... I really hait that kind of crap... Let me guess they used rifles.
Why can't those lazy ------- use the traditional weapons... I would have a little respect for them... But not much
Why can't those lazy ------- use the traditional weapons... I would have a little respect for them... But not much
LAST EDITED ON Jul-12-07 AT 10:46PM (MST)[p]It's the same story every year. The indians blast the hell out of the elk the the Colockum from about July through August.
The Colockum elk herd population has been going down for the last 5 to seven years and the Indians sure don't care. Bull permits for hunters have been cut by almost 3/4, Archery hunters can't shoot cow elk anymore.
Do other states have the same problem with the tribes as we do. It seams like places reservations in New Mexico and Arizona have great hunting and the tribes actually care about the wildlife. They just don't kill everything insight.
The Colockum elk herd population has been going down for the last 5 to seven years and the Indians sure don't care. Bull permits for hunters have been cut by almost 3/4, Archery hunters can't shoot cow elk anymore.
Do other states have the same problem with the tribes as we do. It seams like places reservations in New Mexico and Arizona have great hunting and the tribes actually care about the wildlife. They just don't kill everything insight.
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Probably the same guy who has been hitting them hard the last few years. He drives a blue Dodge truck. A friend of mine saw him up there last year on Thanksgiving. He had four bulls down and he had a white guy with him. He said he was along just for the ride, but the rifle was bewteen his legs in the truck when they talked to them. Two years ago he killed 16 6 points before rifle season. I heard that straight from the game agent. He said they could not do anything about it. He also said he was driving a blue Dodge.
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Someone needs to call one of the big news stations in Seattle and give them some info as to what is going on. Let them do a story on it, that might tarnish their reputations enough that they stop. I don't have enough firsthand knowledge but could probably get a contact name and number if someone who does is willing to give them some first hand info.
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This is sickening to hear.
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No worries, it's just for ceremonial and subsistance purposes. It's all in keeping with their finest traditions. Except for the whole, there were no elk here before introduction and aparently only velvet mature bulls are of any ceremonial use...
They don't care.
They have no pride.
The Yakima's will not do anything about it, Period.
Next time I hear what a "poud people" they are I'll vommit. If they have no respect for themselves they can expect none from the rest of society. The Yakimas can end this nonsense whenever they decide to. Their silence and inaction are your answer.
They don't care.
They have no pride.
The Yakima's will not do anything about it, Period.
Next time I hear what a "poud people" they are I'll vommit. If they have no respect for themselves they can expect none from the rest of society. The Yakimas can end this nonsense whenever they decide to. Their silence and inaction are your answer.
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I m so sick of this crap.
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I guess we have smarter native americans here in AZ. They cultivate their herds and charge a small fortune to hunt on tribal land. The public lands next to the reservations are where the quality hunts are here. The AZGF manage the public areas as trophy areas and with the native americans doing the same on their land, the elk have a chance to grow to full maturity.
Not positive, but I think they do the same in NM and CO.
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Not positive, but I think they do the same in NM and CO.
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Just read the archived thread about the Clockum elk camp. They are at it again. What I don't understand is their season doesn't open unti August 1st.
After reading it, it really pissed me off AGAIN. Oneeye, if you are still on here, this isn't racial, this is JUST CRAP. You should also know that you didn't have elk in your history if you knew it at all.
After reading it, it really pissed me off AGAIN. Oneeye, if you are still on here, this isn't racial, this is JUST CRAP. You should also know that you didn't have elk in your history if you knew it at all.
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Here's an idea. Start a protest camp near their (tribal hunter) camp. Get the media involved. Use the anti-hunter and environmentalist tactics to get the point across that tribal hunting is outdated.
Maybe the answer is to sacrifice our easy access to the area by closing more roads.
Maybe the answer is to sacrifice our easy access to the area by closing more roads.
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Where's BESSY and his high-country tune-ups when you really need one.
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Similar story in Idaho, one of the states best areas for November bull hunts, has been hammered so hard by out nearby "Natives" that nobody even puts in for it anymore.
This area is prime winter range and after the snow flys the elk pile up in it. The Indians here just ride snow machine or chain up the 4x4 to get to the bulls, (preserving the ancient ways) after the white men hunts end first of December.
They can hammer 3 bulls per person, 6 deer, and a moose. Best thing about it is "Pa" can "hunt" or fill permits for the whole family, so there goes all the big animals because racks are easy to sell to our greedy horn buyers who don't care were the heads came from.
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This area is prime winter range and after the snow flys the elk pile up in it. The Indians here just ride snow machine or chain up the 4x4 to get to the bulls, (preserving the ancient ways) after the white men hunts end first of December.
They can hammer 3 bulls per person, 6 deer, and a moose. Best thing about it is "Pa" can "hunt" or fill permits for the whole family, so there goes all the big animals because racks are easy to sell to our greedy horn buyers who don't care were the heads came from.
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hunterofelk they dont camp there they just drive up from the Ellensburg side!!! This just burns my a ss after I just checked and again NO Bull Elk Tag for me. They should be allowed Cows for meat only!!! Good Luck
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I try not reading these posts cuz they piss me off so bad.I guess its like a train wreck you just have to look.
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Fuggin' BS!! I've been trying to draw that Archery tag for years. Seven pts. and the only unit I put in for and like someone else said tags have dropped dramatically! I looked at the Harverst reports for the 328/329 for last year and between rifle, muzzleloader, and archery they took TWO branched antlered bulls out of those two unit total. Then they drop the amount of tags down to 3 for Archery. Absolute Crock!!
I am sorry to hear this again, and again. I am ashamed that this kind of hunting is going on, its too bad that one, or a few of these 'savages', seem to reflect a whole Nation of people. Its everywhere it seems, this Indian this, over here this Indian that ............ its guys like these that makes it hard for a respectable 'Native' like me to be comfortable in the woods doing what I love.
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Motcha, your not an native anymore than I'm a German. I'm an American. We all are. We owe each other the same courtesies regardless of our heritage. We owe our states we live in an adherence to law and a stewardship and responsibility to its resources. This isn't about natives, per se. Natives just happen to be the only sub section of this society with a specific privilege, the privilege not to adhere to all land/water/game laws, on and in some cases off res.
They, natives in this state, have abused that privilege and shat on their own heritage. I don't bemoan them because of their rights, I bemoan their absolute absence of decency and respect. The same I expect from my Chinese, Phillipino and European neighbors... who oh by the way are first Americans before they live out their personal heritage and history within the structures of their families.
Natives need to wake the FU! Take pride as a group and demand adherence. Create LAW in the tribes that says the law of the state is the law without specific tribal permit. Get your godamn hands around your impacts! This is not about harvesting 2 elk, even dandy bulls, for a ceremony or multi tribe occasion. Nor is it about subsistence. It's about the same greed as garden variety bank robbers, except... you guys are subsidizing it with your very reputations.
WHY?
They, natives in this state, have abused that privilege and shat on their own heritage. I don't bemoan them because of their rights, I bemoan their absolute absence of decency and respect. The same I expect from my Chinese, Phillipino and European neighbors... who oh by the way are first Americans before they live out their personal heritage and history within the structures of their families.
Natives need to wake the FU! Take pride as a group and demand adherence. Create LAW in the tribes that says the law of the state is the law without specific tribal permit. Get your godamn hands around your impacts! This is not about harvesting 2 elk, even dandy bulls, for a ceremony or multi tribe occasion. Nor is it about subsistence. It's about the same greed as garden variety bank robbers, except... you guys are subsidizing it with your very reputations.
WHY?
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Great post Colville, very well said.
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I second the great post Colville!! I wish I could "calmly" express my feelings as well as you. Very well said.
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Well said Colville. If only the tribal leaders could understand how we feel.
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I wonder where the press is? If anyone else had done this in Washington the press would have been all over it.
There are only two types of people - The Hunters and the hunted,
I hunt.
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There are only two types of people - The Hunters and the hunted,
I hunt.
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LAST EDITED ON Jul-17-07 AT 01:40PM (MST)[p]Colville asked: WHY?
The way I see it, maybe its because they can. Maybe most do it because they want to get that animal before someone like you does. Because they have the label, when they are hunting, maybe they do it for a retaliation of their treatment, not from the past, but from everytime they step into the woods. I talk of hunting to a lot of my friends, and they are always like, "If I was you, I would be up there everyday!" "Or whats your biggest bull/buck?" and I get the.... "thats it, man if I was an Indian, I would have soooo many big ones!"
So if the tables were turned, how would you step into the framework, and change what you now hate? One seems to have all the answers now, but if you really think of it, would it be that much different of you were a American Indian?
Think of this, go to a place you have always wanted to hunt, and then it was opened to you, or drew a tag. Set up camp, and then have to be woken up every hour to trucks driving by, shooting pistols, reving their engines, calling you every name in the book. Just an insight to let you know how one would have to deal with it out there, and not let a few bad apples ruin their time/hunting experience, and outlook of a misunderstanding.
The way I see it, maybe its because they can. Maybe most do it because they want to get that animal before someone like you does. Because they have the label, when they are hunting, maybe they do it for a retaliation of their treatment, not from the past, but from everytime they step into the woods. I talk of hunting to a lot of my friends, and they are always like, "If I was you, I would be up there everyday!" "Or whats your biggest bull/buck?" and I get the.... "thats it, man if I was an Indian, I would have soooo many big ones!"
So if the tables were turned, how would you step into the framework, and change what you now hate? One seems to have all the answers now, but if you really think of it, would it be that much different of you were a American Indian?
Think of this, go to a place you have always wanted to hunt, and then it was opened to you, or drew a tag. Set up camp, and then have to be woken up every hour to trucks driving by, shooting pistols, reving their engines, calling you every name in the book. Just an insight to let you know how one would have to deal with it out there, and not let a few bad apples ruin their time/hunting experience, and outlook of a misunderstanding.
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Motcha what you don't understand here is that it's NOT what you just said. This is not 3 or 4 individuals hunting or harvesting elk (regardless of the day of the year and regardless of the location) and putting it in their freezer for the same use as I do.
This is like the buffalo on the prarrie. They are shooting numerous velvet elk at once, by one guy or two. They are then having the capes and velvet mounted and they are selling the taxidermy or selling the Velvet antlers for other bizzare eastern interests. This is a commercial exploitation for profit. There's nothing in the least "native" nor "traditional" nor HUNTING about it. Nothing. They are raping the resource for cash money. I don't begrudge a hunter, hunting ehtically and eating his kill regardless of his ancestry.
If I were the native I'd be livid. The image of the native is that they are the humans with a true understanding and respect for nature. They are the people with a deep and rooted history and heritage of subsistance resource use and spiritual connection with the land. It is the very same who are now shooting velvet elk, loading 3 in a truck and and then getting them mounted to sell for a profit. Till there aren't bulls worth shooting anyhow. If I were a Yakima and knew about it I'd be yelling at every person in leadership to establish rules and enforcement NOW. I'd demand that my heritage and my good name not be thrown under the bus by scum.
The behavior of silence and inaction is similar to moderate muslims (please accept the analogy about silence not the underlying behavior). You lose your standing as legitimate players and a legitiimate people when you know what disgusting things are going on in your community and do nothing, say nothing to cast it out.
Cast it out. If you don't, it's because you are really OK with it and any heritage, spirituality, tradition one speaks of is whole and utter bullshlt. You can't lay a claim on a cultural connection and stewardship with nature and provide cover if not excuse for this on an orgainzed basis. Tribes can fix this tomorrow and that's been years and years of tomorrows gone by.
This is like the buffalo on the prarrie. They are shooting numerous velvet elk at once, by one guy or two. They are then having the capes and velvet mounted and they are selling the taxidermy or selling the Velvet antlers for other bizzare eastern interests. This is a commercial exploitation for profit. There's nothing in the least "native" nor "traditional" nor HUNTING about it. Nothing. They are raping the resource for cash money. I don't begrudge a hunter, hunting ehtically and eating his kill regardless of his ancestry.
If I were the native I'd be livid. The image of the native is that they are the humans with a true understanding and respect for nature. They are the people with a deep and rooted history and heritage of subsistance resource use and spiritual connection with the land. It is the very same who are now shooting velvet elk, loading 3 in a truck and and then getting them mounted to sell for a profit. Till there aren't bulls worth shooting anyhow. If I were a Yakima and knew about it I'd be yelling at every person in leadership to establish rules and enforcement NOW. I'd demand that my heritage and my good name not be thrown under the bus by scum.
The behavior of silence and inaction is similar to moderate muslims (please accept the analogy about silence not the underlying behavior). You lose your standing as legitimate players and a legitiimate people when you know what disgusting things are going on in your community and do nothing, say nothing to cast it out.
Cast it out. If you don't, it's because you are really OK with it and any heritage, spirituality, tradition one speaks of is whole and utter bullshlt. You can't lay a claim on a cultural connection and stewardship with nature and provide cover if not excuse for this on an orgainzed basis. Tribes can fix this tomorrow and that's been years and years of tomorrows gone by.
