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bonepiler

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Ok so here is a new plan:

1. Make all governors and sportsmans tags DIY only.

2. Cut conservation tags by 50% and create more opportunity for kids.

3. Make all conservation tags DIY only.

4. Make all landowner tags DIY only, and make them valid for ONLY the private land they were issued for.

Lets have some input for this new plan.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-01-07 AT 03:02PM (MST)[p]This will accomplish what exactly?

1. Lower the amount of money this tags generate, which would defeat the purpose of having them. Plus, how do you legally tell someone they can't take ANY family/friends along on their hunt?

2. How would cutting the conservation tags in half create more opportunity for kids?

3. Again, how do you legally prevent a tag holder from taking his kid along on his hunt? And, why would you want to?

4. So, now we are going to tell a PRIVATE landowner who people are going/not going to hunt with. Again, why?????????

FYI, we are meeting Sunday at Sugarhouse Park at 4:00 pm Sunday August 5th on I 400 for all who would like to share some input with it. Come on out.

PRO
 
Bonepiler-
Although some of that sounds good, it will never fly.
There are too many landowners out there that will NEVER let a DIY hunter on his property "un-guided". They sign contracts with outfitters because of trust issues with the public.
Ever go ask any old farmers if you can tresspass?...most of them will toss you to the ground and hold a pitchfork at your throat and demand you leave and never ask again.
(clearly an exaggeration, but you get the point)
Take the Deseret land & Livestock for example, it is mandatory you be guided if you draw an elk tag. it won't cost the hunter anything, but it's mandatory you be guided by an outfitter and there are a lot of others like that as well. Some may not be official guides or outfitters, they may be appointed "helpers" that the landowners trust. But none the less, you may not be on a "DIY" hunt.
 
correct me if I am wrong but doesn't DIY mean Do It Your Self. or No Guides. why can't you have family with you. it's still a DIY hunt
 
"Plus, how do you legally tell someone they can't take ANY family/friends along on their hunt?"

Pro,
you need to re-read the first post. Where in that post did it say you can't take family or friends? Last I checked all DIY meant was not hiring a guide. It has nothing to do with not taking family and friends. Amazing.




It's Bush's fault!!!
 
Yes crimedog, DIY stands for "do it yourself", and NO, family wouldn't constitute as "trusting help" to a landowner. These guys are usually extremely anal about who's on their property and they have the right to say yes or no.
(i hope were on the same page, correct me if we're not.)
 
I understand that on a Landowner Tag, but he also brought it up for the conservation tags etc... If the Landowner only allows you so many people then you respect there wish's. but to make it a law saying you can't bring family with you.......
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-01-07 AT 04:10PM (MST)[p]So, now the hunter with lots of 'family' and 'friends' gets an advantage over the non-resident hunter w/o 'family' and 'friends' familiar with the unit. How is this right/fair?

Either make it Do It YOURSELF for everyone, or nobody! Catering to YOUR type of hunter over another is all I see here. How does this 'cure' all the ills of the hunting world? I have had worse dealings with "DYI" hunters with family/friends in tow, than with any guides/outfitters.

Is it DYI or not? Amazing indeed!

PRO
 
Ya, i can't see it being a "law" that you cannot bring family or people of YOUR choosing as long as the landowner's are kool with it.
 
We have been through the landowner thing time and time again here in Nevada. My family has a 3000 acre cattle ranch. No elk, but tons of deer in our alfalfa fields. The state comes out and counts them and for every 50 animals they count on our property, we get a landowner tag that we are allowed to sell. The purchasing hunter can hunt in the entire unit and can designate before hand whether the tag is archery, muzzloader, or rifle. They then have to hunt the season for the weapon they designate.

At one time, the season could be set for any weapon at anytime during the fall as long as the hunter hunted on the private property. People made a big deal here becuase on some ranches, guys were setting up rifle hunts in September (on privat land)and shooting huge bucks during bow season. At that time, those tags were going for around 5 or 6 grand a pop. A stop was put to that due to jealous hunters compalining and now the hunters have to hunt the designated seasons regardless of on private or hunting in the rest of the unit.

The problem with restricting the landowner tags to only hunting on the private land is that it decreases their value. SO WHAT you say, but these are landowner COMPENSATION tags. Having 500 deer eating in your third crop of alfafa does a lot of damage. We have no problem supporting the deer here, and as our ranch sits right against the mountain, we are providing a lot of support for the heard. We just want a fair compensation for that. Even now, when you crunch the numbers, we are losing money in the deal but we are are happy as is, cause we are all hunters and enjoy having the deer around. And no, I don't even hunt the deer in the ranch. We have had 180 class deer in our fields before and I will get on a horse and go up to 8000 feet and hunt my ass off because I don't want to go lean across a fence post and shoot a buck, I want to hunt for it in the hills.

The alternative to not getting compensation is to have what happened on a ranch not far from here a few years ago. The rancher felt like he wasn't getting compensated and told NDOW he wanted all the deer off his property so NDOW had no choice but to open up an emergency deperdation hunt and people went out and slaughtered all the deer on the private land. It was a public relations nightmare and gave hunting and wildlife management a black eye. You need to be careful what you wish for in a lot of these circumstances as the alternative may be way worse. Remeber, landowners have a lot of rights when it comes to wildlife on their property so be careful what you wish for!
 
Ok so let me clarify.

DIY-Family and friends can go along.

2. Cutting conservation tags will allow kids to get tags by making those tags available via the draw. Don't know any 14 year olds that can afford a $10,000 elk tag.

4. Private landowners could specify the terms for entering their land, but the tags would be available on the private land only, where the depredation problem is occuring.
 
Not sure exactly how #2 works, but your #4 is how things are right now.
The landowner will let you know how many people, if any, you can bring when you draw a CWMU tag. They are not very easy going on the issue, so don't expect to bring all your friends and family. I can't speak for all of them, but most are that way and VERY protective.
 
you all could rack your brains all day long about how to fix the landowner and governor tags in nevada, but bottom line is money talks and the state gets some cash as well as the landowner and local guides. thats all fine and dandy. they need to start counting deer and elk when the crops are actually being damaged not just when winter sets in and the deer head off the mountian and to the valleys and eat the stubble. they should also pay taxes on the money made by the sale of landowner tags. the state of nevada also need to limit the number of guides permitted in one area. some of these areas are being hammered by guides not to mention all the road warriors from clark county.
 
I think all the land owner tags should be the only tags that get auctioned. Except for one tag per species that is the gov. tag.

Those that get a landowner tag get to hunt the private land but also all of the public land in the area.
 
There is no brain racking to be done, its a simple process. The most deer are on private land in early fall, about the same time third crop is being harvested. They aren't there in the winter eating stuble because all of the cattle have been brought in off the range and the stuble is gone quicky after the final harvest. They also do a ton of damage to hay stacks in the winter. In our case, ten foot chain link fences keeps them out but others aren't so lucky. The land owner tags for mule deer are what they are and won't be changed any time soon. As I said earlier, I can't speek for other species.
 

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