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wro1

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Let the fire die

A friend told me of this site and the ongoing debate about the killing of a NV gov. tag bull...
What kills me about this crap is not that the bull was killed, or by whom, but the way he met his demise. The fact that he achieved the ripe old age of 9,10,11 or whatever he actually was is a feat in itself. He lived his entire life on public land in two of the west's most sought after elk units in two states. It is lucky for the White River boys that they killed him when they did, in a couple of weeks it would'nt have been so easy.
In my opinion the hunting in Nevada started its downward ethical plummet with the issue of the first landowner compensation tag. That is what first attracted the big money to these units, When the self proclaimed big dogs of outfitting found the quality of game here and the relative low hunter pressure, not to mention the extended seasons for deep pocketed rifle toters, it became somewhat of a gold rush. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a guide here in the fall. This bull is just the last in a long line of fine trophies taken from my back yard by individuals who have no respect for what they have taken or appreciation for how much effort it takes to actually harvest an animal of that caliber by fair chase standards.
This bull was lynched... plain and simple, not for the velvet antlers, it will have to be stripped to score it, not for the late night glance up at him on the wall over the mantle, but for money and 15 minutes of fame. As for the shooter, just another animal taken by bounty and many poorly placed shots. You should spend more time at the range and less at the bank. Those horns deserve the original cape.
I have seen this bull on the hoof many times, and even watched from afar those from Utah who would call it their own. That Kings camo does'nt work very well, but it is better than baby blue, like the color of her eyes.
I was approached by one of Mark's new helpers in the hopes that I would join this merry band and help find the bull since they were having difficulty and the season opener was just a day away. I declined the invite. I have been involved with this type of thing before and it always ends up in some sort of controversy. Besides, some of them don't have the most stellar hunting reputations, and hunting ethics are always questioned. To me there is alot more to hunting than killing.
This type of thing gives every outfitter and guide a bad name whether they deserve it or not. I don't believe the crap written in this forum over the last couple of days will make a difference to Doyle or Mark, and it will all but be forgotten in a month. The hunting world is what it is, like it or not.
The last time I saw this bull alive, he was running from a paraplane, it is something I could'nt do. I am scared of heights and broken legs.
I was looking forward to hunting him in a month when the season starts. Now I'll just hunt the others... Mark has his pictures and his fee, and Doyle won't have to worry about finding room for him in the next wildlife show. He was a great bull, one of the best I have seen ,in the last three years. He deserved a better death. Maybe screaming at the top of his lungs surrounded by lude women sporting hard and sharp antlers. Not grazing in the open, like Ferdinand, surrounded by a baby blue clad lynch mob.
This is my first time ... be gentle
 
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but for money and 15 minutes of fame





Greed and Money will destroy hunting and what hunting is, i've said it before, I'll say it again. A very good post on the the overall impacts and the association it has with the killing of this big velvet bull
 
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NAME???

RANK???

I THINK YOU LIVE IN UTAH OR NEVADA???

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THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!
 
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Finally, a first time poster that speaks and makes a ton of sense.
Welcome to the forum!

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I whole heartedly agree. The sad thing is this not just a Nevada thing and it's not just an elk thing. The Colorado Governor's sheep tag was taken in a closed area right next to I-70 near Georgetown. The hunter and guide paid hefty fines and the ram was confiscated, but the hunter was issued another tag! These high dollar auction tags do more harm than good.
 
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Now that is how to make a first post!! I don't know you either, but there is a cold beer for you at my hunting camp anytime.
 
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Yup, nice contrast to the pre-pubescent drivel we've been subjected to as of late, kudos.
 
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Great first post-couldn't agree with you more.

I will be the first to admit that these conservation tags have, and can do good, but c'mon, aren't we getting to the point where the bounty hunting and all the crap that goes with these high dollar tags is starting to outweigh the benefit?!?!?!

Being from Utah, the conservation tag gig has spiraled out of control and I hope the public, average "joe" will start to be more outspoken about getting it under control.
 
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Nice post. I am relatively new to MM and have only posted a few times. I am not sure what to think about all of this, but I will say this. It is hard for me to understand how any one---hunter or guide could call this whole process anything more than KILLING, which is what gives us all a bad name. Even though I dont agree with all the things guides do, and I have used them before, they are just provided a service whether legal or not, I am in no position to judge that. One thing I have not seen mentioned is the real problem in my mind. The states that sell these tags---WTF... It seems to me that regardless of where the money winds up, the season--or in this case--the killing time should NOT take place in middle of summer..come on guys, anybody can go out and smuck a bull in July or August. Let these killers and their chosen guides do it when the rest of us are out there. Wouldnt that be something, a paraplane flying over the hills with a real hunter in the woods, huh, better not say what I am thinking. It is just to bad that the governers of our states need the glory they get from having their name on a tag. Justify it how ever you want and rip me if must, I dont care, its WRONG and it needs to stop before it affects all of us anymore than it already has.

Mark Lounsbury
Monte Vista, Colorado
 
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great post a true sportsman, noone could have put it better, you wont get no negative response from a true sportsman. lw
 
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That was poetry, thanks. You seem like you knew the bull well, and if anybody should be upset about this, it would be you. But you very eloquently explained the cold hard facts of the situation. BRAVO

RockyMtnOyster
 
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Wro1, Your post is exactly the way I feel about how some of todays trophy animals are taken. No respect, just visions of recognition. I get fairly worked up about this kind of hunting, and made previous posts before calming down. You really got it right. Thanks and welcome. mtmuley
 
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I read it often on these forums, "Its just one animal, the money raised is worth it". Its a little harder to stomach when the animal comes from your stomping grounds. Great post Wro1. Agreed.
 
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Well said Phil, how many NV elk tags you going to draw? That bull would have looked great next to one of NVs greatest typicals ever taken!
 
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wro1 - great post. Absolutely great. Welcome to MM. I am glad to get your perspective on this. You have some great insights and really put a cap on all the rest that has been said. You summarized a lot of the feelings of those of us who aren't in this business and still hunt for the love of it and to fill our freezers with meat.

Good luck on all your hunts this year.

UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
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>Great first post-couldn't agree with you
>more.
>
>I will be the first to
>admit that these conservation tags
>have, and can do good,
>but c'mon, aren't we getting
>to the point where the
>bounty hunting and all the
>crap that goes with these
>high dollar tags is starting
>to outweigh the benefit?!?!?!
>
>Being from Utah, the conservation tag
>gig has spiraled out of
>control and I hope the
>public, average "joe" will start
>to be more outspoken about
>getting it under control.

Sure but when the average Joe complain he's accused of being jealous...right?
 
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All of the stories floating around regarding this bull and how it was killed is ridiculous to me. This is my first time replying to discussions on this site but I couldn't resist. It's all about commercialization of wildlife, who got the big money and who's making a living guiding or collecting finders fees. Yes I wish it wasn't so but it is and it's not going to end. To me it doesn't matter who killed the bull. It wasn't on private property neither Doyle or Mark owns the bull and anyone whos a hunter and gives up all their info deserves what they get, and that includes video with good back ground scenery. They shouldn't be so greedy lookin for fame in the hunting world. What does matter is how they killed the bull if this was an issue. Whats really funny is everyone starts to talk about ethics especially when is doesnt fit their needs or desired outcome. Nobody said anything until the bull was dead. I've heard a lot about chute planes since this bull was killed and even some who have watched this bull running from a chute plane. Did anyone ever call a warden immediately or video tape the event to show a warden. It may ruin their image if they did. NOT! If it was the biggest buck in the world and you needed to get ahold of your hunter you'd go to extreme measures to contact that person. Maybe people who are tired of all the ethic problems should go to those extremes to contact a warden and maybe testify or at least be a good annonymous witness, video documentation etc. Information needs to be timely and not provided in two weeks, you know by the way two weeks ago I saw....... It may be legal to fly in Nevada to scout during certain times of the year and before the 1st biggame hunt but harassing wildlife is still illegal at any time. I would assume that a bull running from a chute plane would constitute harrassment and is illegal. Maybe NV needs start giving people tags for the hunt and species as a reward for turning in violators and getting a conviction like in Utah, sounds like someone could of had a NV gov tag if this was the case.
 
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WRO1, Great post. If your not, you should be a outdoor/hunting writer! Well said and thanks
 
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I read every post on the other thread and I still don't know whats going on.What bull and is there pictures???
 
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From reading this post i agree whole heartedly that hunting is taking on commercialization I look at it this way History has a way of repeating its self look back in the 1800's when buffalo were hunted the same thing is happening now nothing is just for sport anymore its all about the almighty dollar


just my 2 cents

bbh
 
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LAST EDITED ON Aug-07-07 AT 04:54PM (MST)[p]here is one of the pics of the AZ bull.

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