a nevada 430 bull rumor

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i heard yesterday that the NV governor tag holder killed a 430 nontypical. i was wondering if any of you have heard anything about this to corroborate the fact. if you guys have and know of a pic of the beast lets hear about it and see the pic. also, apparently it was still in the velvet!



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You're about a week and over a couple hundred posts, way too many of them negative, behind the curve on this one. Yes, the hunter shot an incredible bull. Too bad so many rectal orifices have to tear him down over it.
 
Overton, first of all, welcome to Monster Muleys. Even though there are some problems, as you allude to, it's a pretty good website with some good folks (even BESSIE). You should go over to bowsite.com and read the thread titled something like 436 Nevada bull if you want to know what I really think.
 
CAelknuts- Thanks for the welcome. My thought is that we hunters should stick together rather than pick each other apart as some seem to do. Maybe it's because I only found this forum in june and I don't know how to take the infighting. Maybe I'm wrong and it is just being constructive? Anyway with the name Caelknuts you might be interested in a series of photos I took June 4th in Nor Cal of 27 branch antler bulls in one meadow. No cows, calfs, spikes or two points seen with them. This is in a zone without any public land elk tags, yet. I'm fishing at Kona, Hi. now and will try to post when I'm back home. By the way they were tule bulls and some real nice ones.

Ransom
 
funny you should make a comment about people being rectile orfices being that you caustic response ennunciates that about yourself


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NVG, you obviously didn't see my post over on bowsite. A lot of people are getting sick and tired of everyone jumping all over some guy every time a picture is posted of an outstanding buck or bull. All some people want to do it figure out what's wrong with the situation, never look at the bright side. Too many people are nothing but negative, and I know from private converstations I've had that more than a few people have grown very weary of reading all the negative stuff.

It seems that if someone kills an outstanding animal that some people have to figure out anything and everything that could possbile be wrong with the picture. Did he purchase a governors tag to do it, did he purchase a landowner tag that some guys can't afford, did he shoot it during a special season when the rest of us aren't allowed to hunt, did he use the "right" weapon, was the mountain high enough, did he have the right color shirt on, how long are his arms, did he do it on his own or did he hire a guide, did he have too many guides, was it behind locked gates, did they use an airplane to scout, did they use radios while hunting, were there any commercial airline flights that might have gone over the unit while hunting and did those pilots radio the bulls location from 30,000 feet, does the picture look legit or was it photoshopped, does the picture look like it might be somewhere that he shouldn't have been, why are the ears drooping, boy his eyes sure look glazed over, picture's kinda dark musta shot it after legal hours, were any building within 10 miles, how long is his member, what hand does he wipe with, did he dig a hole and bury it after he dumped or did he just walk off, did he park his truck in the right spot, did his horses eat native grasses, did they poop on the habitat, why doesn't his horse wear a diaper, ETCETERA, ETCETERA, ETFREAKINGCETERA!!!!!!!!

I'm not the only person who reads these posts that has grown weary of all the negative perceptions of some people who have to tear down each and every person who takes an outsized specimen, especially when it was shot on some special tag. I figure that some of our members might as well join HSUS, since they're already saving them advertising dollars by spewing so much anti-hunting venom on their own that HSUS doesn't need to spend the money themselves. Hell, while they're at it, go ahead and join PETA too!

At least a few people would prefer to see some positive comments when someone posts a great animal. Perhaps you're not one of them, hopefully you'll think about which type you want to be.

As I said over on bowsite, I have a close friend who has purchased a Nevada landowner elk tag, and I'll be helping him on his hunt. He's hoping to kill the best bull of his lifetime. I'll be damned if I'd ever post anything on here or anywhere else about his hunt as some guys will rip my buddy to shreds without knowing any details. Those type of people don't care about the hunt, they're only interested in tearing down others. They're just jealous whiners as far as I'm concerned. My buddies elk hunt will be fair chase in every sense of the word. Hopefully he'll kill a Nevada giant bigger than any elk most of us will ever see. BUT, nobody will ever know anything about it on the WWW, as he doesn't own a computer and I won't be sharing news of his success.

NVG, if my views qualify me as a rectal orifice in your book, so be it. On the other hand, I'll sign off with the same advice I left on bowsite. If you don't like what I've said "Go thee forth, thyself; and procreate thyself!"
 
Solid points. However there are many many bulls and bucks posted on here that are talked about very nicely...

KTC, don't remember one bad word about him...

was it bluoak? The bull that made the cover of Easman's with a bow? nobody said one damn bad thing about him.

There was also a huge bull from Utah that got pretty good reviews.

And last but not least MR Ulmer is currently making the rounds again! Considering the gross score of his top ten elk and deer are probably higher than any other hunter ever; he is treated pretty well. (I did no research on that, just a hunch)

So what is my point? These bulls stood up to the scrutiny. More importantly the hunters stood up to it. Nobody could find one thing "bad" to say about the hunter, the hunt or the bull!!!!!!!!
That and I get the feeling KTC would flat whoop your ass if you (or anybody) gave him any sh%t about his hunting ethics...

To many, me included, comparing the Nev or AZ bulls (07) and the hunts, to the bulls the hunt or hunter (KTC, bluoak,...) just does not sit well. In my opinion those hunts will have an * by them.
 
CAelknuts, great post. That is what I have been saying for months. You are dead on, I hope your buddy kills the bull of his dreams.

PRO
 
CAelknuts,


im not concerned about what people have to say about a big animal that either i or someone else i know has killed, or anyone else as far as that goes. take this bull for example, my dad killed this one in 222 in 2005 late hunt. no special tag, just random draw. he gross scores 402 and if anyone has beef, i do not care becasue i am more secure than that.


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nvg, I think you're missing the point I'm making; or maybe we simply disagree about the negative posters. Either way, I respect your points since you make them with some thought put into what you say.

Rammu, I have to agree with that part you say about not seeing people get ripped when they kill a great bull non-guided, so I have a question for you. Is it a terrible thing to go on a guided hunt? From your comment and our mutual observations, I would assume you possibly think so, and surely some other poster believe this. WHY? Is it wrong to go on a guided hunt, or is it only wrong in the eyes of people who don't or can't afford go on them? I don't know if you have any interest in sheep hunting or not, but would you forego a guide if you drew a once in a lifetime bighorn tag? Or would you pass on the chance to go dall or stone sheep hunting (assuming you could afford it) just because you had to go guided? I'm really interested in hearing what you think about this. I think you're getting to the heart of what makes some posters rip other people, and while I think we'll probably agree about what that is, we probably think their motivation to do so is different.
 
CAELK, I would like to respond to your comment. I did draw a once in a lifetime permit for Bighorn sheep. I knew it would not be an easy hunt, plus I would not even bring a gun, as I am a die hard bowhunter. There are sheep guides in the unit that know this area intimately. I formed my opinions that I speak here based on my decision NOT to go guided, even knowing that it would increase my chances. I felt that I would not have the same fuzzy feeling knowing that I didn't spot, pursue, and take the animal on MY terms. I could not also justify spending $8400 to stay in a trailer, I was basically buying the guides info. That being said, the beef is with the outfitters putting prices on the heads of big bulls/bucks and having them "sat on" by so-called "guides", whom offer no more than a truck ride to the animal.
 
TRUE!!! i received an e-mail on the beast, give me your e-mail, I will forward it to you, if you have not yet seen the Bull.
HH420
 
LMAO Pro. Too Funny. You've been saying that for months have ya? Sooo, who was the crew that tore at the Nevada bull's hunter and guide? Hmmm, makes ya wonder eh? You either are full of BS or you don't practice what your preach eh? LMAO!
 
Great post Caelknuts, there are so many negative idiots on here, no guides,diy hunts,why cant people realize not everyone is going to hunt the way they think we should.A lot of people are all over anyone who hunts with a guide or goes out of country. Most places you have to be guided, in most cases this does not mean you are being led around by the hand.I have been on a lot of guided hunts, and have never felt that I was being led on a piece of cake hunt.Most of the "GUIDES" I have had where young kids, most just starting out in the hunting world. I have let most of these guides use some of my good optics, as most of them have the $29 Bushnells. I have made many friends with these young guides. on most of my guided hunts I never killed a animal, as I dont feel I have to kill something to have a successful hunt.AQ lot of you are missing out on a lot of fantastic hunting as all of Canada you have to be guided. Some of you complain about the costs of guided hunts, how many of you know any really rich guides?A lot of you say it costs too much to go on a guided hunt, but have one or more new cars in your driveway, eat most of your meals out or smoke and drink, and then wonder why you cant afford a guided hunt.Get off your dead a$$ and get a better job rather than complain about the people that can afford to hunt with a guide if they choose.By the way I have been a guide and have hunted DIY long before EASTMAN made this a term you all think is so great.By the way most of his hunts are guided or on private land.Have backpacked most of the western states and was using spotting swcopes and good optics way before they where popular.Oh well just felt I had to add something to all this negative BS, I liked the pictures of both these big bull hunts, if you can call them that. Didnt really like the picture of the bull with the house in the background, but hey I wasnt there, so I cant really say what went on, although I think it does not do the hunting community any good to publisize these kind of hunts, I still like looking at the animals. If you guys dont like these pictures and stories dont read them.
 
caelknuts,
i am glad we have agreed to disagree. thanks, it is an awesome bull and i am exceedingly jealous that my dad had the tag and not me but whatever, we still got a monster.


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sounds like too many women on this site. I have to say, am jealous of the elk hunting opportunities many of you have. Would love to shoot a 300 class bull. Will be hunting for deer and elk in oregon and guided in wyoming this year and nothing but excited. this site almost makes me feel ashamed of hiring a guide, but no time to scout. Will post all pictures guided or unguided for all to see. Hunting season is here and you can all get out of your houses and get some stress relief.
 
lastcall,

Do not be embarrassed to hire a guide! Guides provide a much needed service. I do not think people getting angry has anything to do with guides, but more so the circus revolving around some of the animals taken and the moneies involved? I would personally love to see what you get in Wyoming guided or not. 200" or 400". Doesn't matter!

Some of us have some real opportunities for great elk. You are right, we should appreciate the priviledge to hunt these great animals once or twice.
 
Overton,

I am curious as to where you saw 27 bull elk in Northern California? I am going to guess Mendocino County and/or private ground? Or is it Lake Pillsbury?

Joe
 
New to the hunt forum, maybe I missed it somewhere but is the a photo of this bull posted somewhere? I have a 231 Archery Bull tag and heading out to NV 1st of Sept to try for a trophy bull. anybody know of other big bulls in that area?? Thanks happyhunter4242
 
Pillsbury, just south of the airstrip. No deer seen. The elk must be eating them.
Seriously, tags can't be far away as the herd has really grown. Have not yet learned how to post the photos. Being 54 I was not born with a computor keyboard in my hands. Anyway I have a house at Pillsbury Ranch and keep tabs on the herd.
Are you headed up for the archery opener?

Ransom
 
If all goes as planned there should be an elk hunt around Pillsbury next year, just have to get it through the system.

Joe
 
Pic of mounted bull very nice. But 402 come on! More like 365 right?


"Keep yer powder dry n yer eye on the skyline!"
 
Elkslyr, go back and read post #7. I guess your another one of these elk scorers that can score an elk from a front view within a few points, what a joke why cant people just enjoy the animals without all this negative BS. I would bet there are a lot of animals that are not put on sites such as these because of all the negative BS.
 
CAelknut-sniffer, take your foot out of your mouth and maybe you'll have something worth saying. I just got done reading a post where you jumped all over a guy and started calling him a liar. Then I see you crying in this post about how people should not be so judgemental. Woops!!! guess you better quit being such a hypocrit and keep your mouth shut and maybe you won't have to be snacking on your socks all day. Read in elk, titled "double lung". This is why I quit posting pictures and just sit back and laught at the soap opera's every day.
 
Ok a guy comes on here and asks a question concerning a bull hes heard about and wants to see a picture, Then somebody says " Your about a Week behind bud" and then its nothin but guys baggin on the other one i mean what the F*** guys, he asked a question about a bull that we've all seen and probably have a picture saved on the computer of, can't we just help the guy out and post the damn picture and just move on.
 
yea moosie I can score somewhat from the front view. And some people are also tired of everyone getting on here and claiming their pisscutter bulls are 400+. Get over yourself and get a reality check. Can't believe the bull crap that gets on this site.


"Keep yer powder dry n yer eye on the skyline!"
 
Just and FYI Elkslyr, we've got the sheds of that bull from the previous year. When they were picked up we figured 360-370 bull at best, once we put the tape to them they went into the high 390's. It's a very deceiving bull. Later.
 
Yeah Elkslyr,I guess you can score an elk within a few points when you cant even see the back points or the length of them.I guess your really good. Most people on here even when seeing both sides dont get too close, just look at some of the horn score guessing on some of the bulls on here. Maybe your really good,ut I doubt if your that good.Just saying that everytime someone posts a animal on here some jerk says it 50 pts smaller, who cares, you can think whatever you want ut why call someone a liar when you arent there to score it.
 
Ok guys if you say he's over 400 than I stand corrected. However let me point something out that leads me to believe this bull is NOT over 400. It is on a wall mount in what looks to be a semi sneak offset shoulder. If this bull had the length you claim he does he wouldn't clear the wall. If you would post side pictures and let us all see every angle then I might have different conclusion. I just don't see the mass or big frontend on this bull to say he's over 400 I'm sorry! Is this using the B&C or SCI scoring?

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