Predictions??? 500-Inch Bull

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Well, every year bigger and bigger bulls and being killed in Utah. With extremely limited tags, it's bound to happen that way. So, how long do you all think it'll be before we see a 500-inch public land bull killed?
Elk farms grow 500 inchers every now and then, so I see no reason why one can't grow that big on public land.

I'm guessing that by 2012, there will be a freak bull that grosses over 500. Am I nuts? What do you guys think?

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I'LL BE GLAD WHEN THE 500"ERS START SHOWING UP!!!

BY THEN I MIGHT PULL A PERMIT & POSSIBLY TAKE ONE OF THE SCRAWNY DINK TYPE 400" PISSCUTTERS OUT OF THE HERD!!!

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It would be possible if the bulls providing the genetics were not being harvested .It seems lately people are going to the limit of hunting to harvest the big boys .Some folks have got it figured out pretty well.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-07 AT 05:53PM (MST)[p]Work with a guy who just harvested a bull near 400". Age estimates are looking like it might be a 10 year old bull. Point being he's been spreading his seed for a few years now, probably can't even get it up anymore. Remember genes don't change, a 443" bull contributed the same when he was a raghorn (assuming he got any) as he did last year.

I say we'll see 500" of Utah public land, but it is going to take longer than you think, 2018....
 
not if the 1400 supporters get their way.
by 2012 a 4x5 that goes 287 will be huge!
 
I don't think it wil happen. Keep in mind that Ranch Bulls have 100% of the diet and water that they need to produce massive racks, not to mention the supplements they get in their feed. With all the $$$ surrounding any Bull over 400" I don't think any Bull that had the potential to get that big wold live long enough to reach it. I can see some going as high as maybe 470 ish.......Of course I have been completely wrong before....
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I dunno about the big 500.However,with the amount of huge stinkies killed here each year I just might step out and say that within five years that the utah units will give up bulls that could surpass the current world records in each catagory.
We'll see
 
I agree Rifle666.... I'm not down with this I400 thing! Not to metion the guys pushing it get a little testy when you don;t see things "their" way....
I think it is very possible Utah could produce a 500" bull. Remember it wasn't too many years ago Utah was labeled as the "Rag Horn State". Now look at us! We're killin some monsters year in and year out! Great job to all the guys that have put the smack down on some toad bull this year!

Elk
 
The optomistic side of me thinks that Utah has what it takes in habitat and genetics to produce a 500 bull. The pessimistic side of me is forced to agree with Tony...I dont know if a bull will ever get a chance to reach that mark. I dont think there are many places left that a bull can grow old without being watched by someone.
 
500" of antler within the next 5 years? Probably! Who would of thunk 5 years ago that a 350" bull would be considered a pisscutter in Utah?

Still don't like the $$$ bounty being placed on these quality animals. Just think what we would have if they was hunted "fair & square" Don't even start with me about what "fair & square" is ... you all know what I mean.

RUS
 
I think it will happen, probably in 15-20 years. Everything will have to go right for a bull to live that long and have the genetics with excellent feed. If Mike Shipley's bull would have slipped over the San Carlos onto public land then it would of already happened. It's just going to take a certain circumstance and a lot of luck but it could happen.
 
Of course there will be one killed. And I'll be the woman holding the record. How's THAT for a prediction, eh? ;-)
 
THE SIMPLE FACT IS WHY "WE" WILL NOT BE HUNTING IN 15-20'S. IS A 600 POINT BULL NEXT?

IT IS SO IRONIC ABOUT HUNTER NUMBERS FALLING, YET I HAVE TO JUMP TO GET A COW TAG IN A CRAP UNIT NOW. $$$$$$$$$$$$$ AND HORN PORN RULE! WE HAVE PLANES AND LANDOWNER TAGS ET AL!
 
I have to agree with Ichabod and Russ. Everyone is watching for the biggest animals. However, there has been one heck of alot of money thrown around in trophy finders fee's from some of our elk guides
 
I can tell you that unless some constraints are put into place to limit the pressure and the scouting congregations that some impose there will not be any 500 bulls on public land. You have to limit the pressure to allow it to happen. trail cams, chute plains 4-10 member scouting parties by guides, bounties, Whore fees, etc, staking out the big boys for 3-4 weeks before the season with individuals following them 24/7 until the hunt begins, running off other hunters etc, will be the demise of what we love. Hell it's not going on for the special tag holders anymore it's going on a much larger scale.

The nonhunting public detests trophy hunting and if we don't regulate ourselves in some fashion they'll gladly step in and do it for us or introduce wildlife to eliminate hunting opportunity.It's not hunting anymore in many instances, in a lot of aspects it's just shooting. The $$$ are infecting some to the point that they are compromising hunting for the almighty $$$$. It's a disease that has begun to run rampant and we need to come up with some guidelines to protect our game and hunting's future in most of the western states. I certainly don't know what the answer is but when the fame, money and the bone are the top priority then we need to step back and rethink our position. When your sitting there disagreeing with me about this realize one thing it won't be you or I or another like us that shoots this mystical bull. It'll be some fat cat that one one of our friends sold out YOUR chance to harvest the animal to in favor of the almighty $$$$. The fat cat gets the fame your buddy got the money, the guide got a lot more money and ultimately you got the shaft!!
 

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