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peakfreak

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Please don't shoot bulls that have a broken beam. That is not what the DWR had in mind and just because they screwed up doesn't make it right. Good luck and kill some massive 5x6's. I know they are out there.
 
Probably won't have to worry about it for to many more years. They are proposing that ALL LE elk units have a spike hunt. If this happens, they claim they will get rid of the management hunt.
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I like the new plan about putting all units to spike hunts. I hope it will be better then these stupid management hunts. the only thing i like about the management hunts is that it took 2816 people out of the other LE bull hunts.
 
Nice post peak, those tags are a freakin joke and don't work!!

Not only are they killing busted beam bulls, they are killing some VERY young 5x5's as well.





Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
Yeah, I'm all for getting rid of the management hunt. It seems like there is just to many variable's involved with killing a "five point" bull.
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I agree... too many ifs, ands, or butttttts!
Going to be interesting to see what gets taken this week..
 
I went out to the SW Desert unit today to see what kind of bulls were shot and i very surprised that i didnt here one single shot were i was at seen about 7 hunters talked to a few and they said that they werent seeing anything. i was watching a very nice 5x6 for the last 2 weeks and i couldnt find him any where today.
 
Be careful what you wish for guys. Spike hunts aren't all they are cracked up to be. The North Cache unit used to produce some nice bulls and, more importantly, a great LE hunt experience. Then they allowed spike hunting. Since then, the hunt quality has taken a nose dive. The bulls hardly bugle any more and all but one person I talked to failed to take a bull this year. Several went empty last year. These people were willing to take small bulls at the end of the season and couldn't find them.

Spike hunts introduce way too much pressure on a LE unit. How would you feel if you finally drew a LE archery tag but found every good tree stand location full of spike hunters? I don't think the management bull program was the best idea the DWR ever had, but putting open spike hunts on great LE units would be.
All that being said, I drew my LE hunt this year so do what you want to mess up a good thing cuz I won't draw again for about 30 years.
 
I may have to disagree with that hazmat.

The Wasatch, Manti and Fishlake units are phenominal LE units and have the same regs.....unless i'm missing something.

I DO however think it would be beneficial to seperate the two hunts as too NOT mix both spike hunters in with trophy hunters.

The spike only units were put into place knowing that aproximately 10% of the spike bull population would make it through the season.

I don't know about anyone else, but go look on the winter ranges at elk and it's amazing how many spikes are left.







Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
There is a HUGE difference between LE units that have "spike" hunts and the LE units that don't. It is night and day. The pressure effects their activities more than you can imagine. Just the difference in pressure due to additional tags has had an impact on several of the LE units. If you want to destroy the ultimate LE experience then put "spike" hunts on all of them. Be careful what you ask for.
 
I do NOT like the idea of implementing spike tags on every LE unit, and luckily there is NO such proposal being broought up at the RAC's to do so. I DO support issuing spike tags where/when needed, by this I mean a unit that as extremely high bull:cow ratios would be a great place for spike tags, but not EVERY year, just on a as needed basis. I think you could do something like this: rotate the spike tags between units. For example; one year issue spike tags on the San Juan, the next issue them on the LaSals, that way the one unit that has extremely high bull:cow ratios would see a reduction w/o lowering quality, the other unit would see an increase in mature bulls available to hunt meaning MORE mature bull tags on the LaSal and MORE mature bull tags on the San Juan due to improved bull:cow ratios allowing for more cows which means more new bulls recruited into the herd and a better BALANCED herd on both units. The same could be done for say the Monroe, rotate it with the Fish Lake unit. The SW Desert could eb rotated with the Beaver unit, etc. This would increase opportunity for hunting mature bulls w/o losing opportunity to just hunt elk. IMHO, this would be a much more effective way to manage bull:cow ratios and hunters alike.

PRO
 
I drew a muzz tag on the Boulders this year. I had a different experience to what Hazmat claims occurs on the North Cache. There was a lot of bugling and a lot of bulls. The big ones were educated though and it didn't take much spook them.

I think Pro's comments are a good common sense approach. Not every unit could handle a spike hunt every year. An annual open spike hunt on the Oquirrhs would be mess; however, they could stand some genetic improvment.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-12-07 AT 03:51PM (MST)[p]Hey pro, sorry to bust your bubble, but while I was in attendance at the southern RAC in Hurricane last week, one of the proposals was to implement spike hunts on ALL of the LE units. Came straight from the mouth of Anis Aoude and his Power Point presentation.....
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-12-07 AT 05:10PM (MST)[p]Been a while since I posted but when I saw this thread I had to re-register. One of the many problems with the Oregon system right now is that they give out so many spike tags. Lets say a guy draws a better oregon archery tag and has waited for 8-10 years to draw it. He along with the few who drew branch bull tags for that "quality" unit still have to put up with a bunch of spike hunters who could jsut buy a tag and go hunt it. I am telling you guys this is a bad deal. Spike hunters have a tendancy to hunt the big bulls or just play with them and call them in and such(heck even I do if I am in the area). Many people in Oregon want to go the complete opposite and do way less spike tags. We need less spike tags and more quality hunts and units with only big bull hunts. These LE units will no longer be "limited entry" and I guarantee you guys wont be happy with the end result.

I am not against spike hunts because there has to be opportunity for everyone and not everyone is after a new world record, but at the same time there has to be managment for these areas. Spike hunter and big bull hunters can hunt the same areas if managed right but in a true "trophy" hunt area they cannot. There are three "trophy units" in Oregon. The Wenaha, Mt. emily and the walla walla. Anyone who draws a rifle tag for a branch bull will be hunting with spike hunter and not only will he be hunting with them but a couple hundred got to go in before and hunt spikes. Between these three units there are about 2500 spike tags allocated everyear, and between these three units there wasnt even 100 big bull tags allocated. Pair this problem with our horrific predator problem and you have one hurting elk herd in some areas.

Just something to think about...

They want to offer more spike tags, sounds like a revenue problem....:(
 
Just got back tonight from an awesome weekend. My brother-in-law and I both killed our management bulls. My brother-in-law's bull was a BIG 5 point. He had 22 inch 5th points. His G2 was broken but still a nice bull. Mine was a 5x6. Not as big as the other bulls we had seen but I am very pleased. I will get some pics up soon. By the way, we saw more bulls than cows.
 
Pro,
I was at the southeastern rack meeting and it was brought up there as well, it was an information only as of now, but looks like they will try and push it through probably for the 2009 hunts.
 
hey Mossback A@#crack! we've shot three broken horned bulls so far on this managment hunt lol one bull would have been a 360 6 point and the other was a 7x6 but he broke his 7 point side a week before the hunt and he would have went 375 and then we shot a 385 6 point with his 5th point on the right side was broke off. Take this opertunity and shot a big one all you managment hunters.
GO BIG or GET OFF the Mountain!
 
>Pro,
>I was at the southeastern rack
>meeting and it was brought
>up there as well, it
>was an information only as
>of now, but looks like
>they will try and push
>it through probably for the
>2009 hunts.

Info is completely different than proposal true? I'll accept legacy's apology.:eek:

PRO
 
The word "proposal" was used while giving this "information". Proposal, information, what ever you want to call it, they are still wanting to do it in the future. Sorry, no apology.:)

I'm not sure what the the DWR's long term plans are for elk. I do know it seems to me like they are trying to fix something that isn't broken. The only reason I went to the RAC is to voice my opposition to the "proposal" of opening Oak Creek South to a general season hunt! They claim they have some serious depredation problems, which I don't see. They claim that most of the elk migrate from the Pahvant, which I don't see (although some do). They also claim that they had guys draw the tag and then were very disappointed in the quality of the elk. It seems to me that a lot of these guys looked at the draw odds for Oak Creek and figured they could draw a tag so they just put in without knowing a thing about the unit and assuming there are 400" bull behind every tree just like on the Pahvant :). Oak Creek was a pretty good unit 5-7 years ago before they opened the north end of the unit to general season and killed off a ton of nice bulls. Now they give out 40+ bull tags for this small unit. Seems to me they could easily cut the amout of tags. Just doesn't seem to me like opening up to another massacre / circus would be the answer.
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The current Elk Management Plan(EMP) has one of the objectives to REDUCE spike tags, so I am at a loss why the DWR would be conisdering such a plan. I suppose I will find out tonight.

I happen to agree with you on the Oak Creek unit proposal. It will be a slaughter the first year.

A proposal and 'points of interest' are way different, but I'll let it slide, this time.;-)

PRO
 
Yeah, half the state was over there the year they opened it up. It was a freakin' joke! Vehicles parked and people CAMPED off the shoulder of the highway. It was a circus! I would really hate to see that happen again. It think that unit could really be a good unit, but I think it needs a little extra special management attention. And why not?
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Oh, pro.....get ready for a LOOOONG meeting! I think ours went on for four hours! Better bring a Coke and snack with you!
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>hey Mossback A@#crack! we've shot three
>broken horned bulls so far
>on this managment hunt lol
>one bull would have been
>a 360 6 point and
>the other was a 7x6
>but he broke his 7
>point side a week before
>the hunt and he would
>have went 375 and then
>we shot a 385 6
>point with his 5th point
>on the right side was
>broke off. Take this opertunity
>and shot a big one
>all you managment hunters.
>GO BIG or GET OFF the
>Mountain!

tinesup boy,

I think you're full of chit. Show us the pics. If you are what you profess to be then you wouldn't shoot a busted management bull.
 
peakfreak you'll all get your chance to see the picks dont worry. and i wasn't the one shooting the bulls either. i was on the one hunt and couldn't go on the other two so i told them where to go. Why wouldn't i shoot the broken managment bulls? if it was me with the tag then i would find the biggest freaking bull on the unit and shoot it then walk over and break some points off with a rock and take off down the mt. THATS WHAT I WOULD DO. Just to Piss you mossback boys off!


GO BIG or GET OFF the Mountain!
 
>peakfreak you'll all get your chance
>to see the picks dont
>worry. and i wasn't the
>one shooting the bulls either.
>i was on the one
>hunt and couldn't go on
>the other two so i
>told them where to go.
>Why wouldn't i shoot the
>broken managment bulls? if it
>was me with the tag
>then i would find the
>biggest freaking bull on the
>unit and shoot it then
>walk over and break some
>points off with a rock
>and take off down the
>mt. THATS WHAT I WOULD
>DO. Just to Piss you
>mossback boys off!
>
>
>GO BIG or GET OFF the
>Mountain!


tuffshedfreak380,

Keep up the good work and then you'll be TITSUP outfitters and dvds.LOL Obviously you don't have a clue about growing big bulls on LE units. It starts by NOT SHOOTING BROKEN BULLS. Broken bull dvd sales are not that hot of an item. Yours might be the first.LOL I can see it now. Before the shot footage nice 6x6. After kill busted behind his sword. Thats when you'll have to change your name to TITSUP outfitters and dvds. Keep it coming.
 
Pro!!!

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

I GUESS YOU DON'T THINK THESE BRUISERS IN THESE LE UNITS WERE EVER SPIKES WHEN THEY WERE YOUNG HUH???

YOUR SPIKE HUNT IDEA SUCKS!!!

JUDAS FRICKEN PRIEST!!!

I STILL DON'T KNOW WHERE TF YOU COME UP WITH THESE BRAINSTORMS!!!

GOOD THING YOU AIN'T MANAGING DOMESTIC ANIMALS FOR A FRICKEN LIVING!!!

YOU SURE YOU AIN'T A 'SUCK-UP' FOR THE DWR???

MAYBE WE BETTER ASK THE LOCAL BIOLOGISTS!!!

THEY KNOW EVERY FRICKEN THING ACCORDING TO YOU!!!

I'M GONNA TELL YOU ONE MORE FRICKEN TIME & I HOPE IT SINKS INTO YOUR THICK SCULL!!!

DON'T "F" WITH WHAT AIN'T BROKE!!!

THE DEER HERD IS BROKE & ITS CALLING YOUR NAME Pro!!!

BUT KEEP ONE THING IN MIND!!!

HAVING SPIKE BUCK HUNTS WOULD BE A REAL FRICKEN JOKE!!!

HELL!!!

WE ALREADY HAVE THEM!!!

SUCK IT UP & LETS WORK ON THE DEER HERD IN UTAH!!!

YOU BOYS AIN'T GONNA BE HAPPY UNTIL YOU DESTROY THE LE ELK UNITS I CAN PLAINLY SEE THAT!!!

AND ONE MORE FRICKEN THING!!!

NEXT TIME YOU FIND A DOZEN DEAD BULLS THAT DIED OF OLD AGE PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!

AND NO I'M NOT GONNA LISTEN TO A BIOLOGIST THAT NEVER GETS DEEP INTO THE WOODS THAT CLAIMS IT HAPPENS IN BIG NUMBERS BECAUSE IT DON'T!!!

IT HAPPENS,BUT NOT ENOUGH TO FRICKEN WORRY ABOUT!!!

ITS A GOOD FRICKEN THING THEY DON'T SHOOT HUMANS BECAUSE A CHOSEN FEW THINKS WE HAVE TOO MANY OLDER PEOPLE ON EARTH OR IT WOULD BE A FRICKEN SHOOTIN GALLERY AROUND HERE!!!



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THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!
 
READ POST # 30!!!

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THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!
 
HEY legacy???

WHEN THEY SAID proposal???

WAS IT SPELLED "PRO"popsal???

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THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-14-07 AT 07:46AM (MST)[p]oh dont get to excited those bulls wont be on + they're F'in management bulls and where did you get the idea of me being with tines up? I never said i worked for tines up did I? yeah it's common sense not to shot the broken bulls because thats how the LE units can get big bulls but that a less chance of the MossBack As@Crack crew screwing the unit over. Maybe you should Sack up and join a real outfitter then maybe you'll get to see some real TITSUP.

GO BIG or GET OFF the Mountain!
 
I think your idea is great PRO.
Shift the spike hunters around instead of always on the same units. Should make for overall better hunting and bigger bulls.
Keeping spike hunters on the same units each year kinda stinks.
The FG should, if they choose to do this, publish where the spike hunts are going to be, a couple years in advance.
This would allow people to make a better decisions.

Thanks again PRO for your work, glad someone is doing more than just posting on the internet.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Nov-14-07
>AT 07:46?AM (MST)
>
>oh dont get to excited those
>bulls wont be on +
>they're F'in management bulls and
>where did you get the
>idea of me being with
>tines up? I never said
>i worked for tines up
>did I? yeah it's common
>sense not to shot the
>broken bulls because thats how
>the LE units can get
>big bulls but that a
>less chance of the MossBack
>As@Crack crew screwing the unit
>over. Maybe you should Sack
>up and join a real
>outfitter then maybe you'll get
>to see some real TITSUP.
>
>
>GO BIG or GET OFF the
>Mountain!

tuffshed,

When you say real titsup do you mean cow hunting? I've never been on a cow hunt. Maybe you should put them on your dvd so I can see what they're like. Still waiting for your monster management bull pics. I like the story of the 7x busting off his beam the first week of November. Are they still rutting on the Monroe? I bet you have brown eyes because you're so full of $hit. Prove me wrong. Post the pics. Oh yeah and show me an outfitter that puts more monster bulls on the ground than the Dream Team.
 
Peakfreak i dont know who it is your having a pissin match with but he doesnt have anything to do with tines up dvds. I do agree with your post! So whos all part of this Dream Team? When you call yourself the Dream Team people are going to start pissin matches with ya! So just make sure you point your finger at the right people next time!
 
>Peakfreak i dont know who it
>is your having a pissin
>match with but he doesnt
>have anything to do with
>tines up dvds. I do
>agree with your post! So
>whos all part of this
>Dream Team? When you
>call yourself the Dream Team
>people are going to start
>pissin matches with ya! So
>just make sure you point
>your finger at the right
>people next time!

Ups,

shedfreak380 has tines up as his home page on his profile. He also professed he makes dvds as a hobby. Then he hid his profile because he was embaressed I guess. I put two and two together but I guess I was wrong because you would know better than me. Do you know shedfreak380? So tell me who he is. sheadfreak380 started the pissin and name calling not me so maybe you should lecture him a little. Esspecially when he has your name "tines up" as his home page. I didn't start by calling myself the Dream Team I ended with it. Why are you so worried about my Dream Team? Just me and a few buddies who dream about killing monster bulls every year. Sorry if it offended you.

What can brown(eyes) do for you?
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-15-07 AT 07:36AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Nov-15-07 AT 07:35?AM (MST)

PeakFreak i already posted that i have never said i work for tines up. I AM NOT A PART OF TINES UP!!!!!!! Im just an everyday guy. Sorry ups for the miss understanding. So PeakFreak dont ASSUME!!DA

GO BIG or GET OFF the Mountain!
 
Hey! You fellers get along! Got good friend on both sides of your "pissin match"
Tad get a leash on your wanna be b!tch "shed380".
 
>LAST EDITED ON Nov-15-07
>AT 07:36?AM (MST)
>
>LAST EDITED ON Nov-15-07
>AT 07:35?AM (MST)
>
>PeakFreak i already posted that i
>have never said i work
>for tines up. I AM
>NOT A PART OF TINES
>UP!!!!!!! Im just an everyday
>guy. Sorry ups for the
>miss understanding. So PeakFreak dont
>ASSUME!!DA
>
>GO BIG or GET OFF the
>Mountain!


ups,

Sorry for assuming this chump was with you. Looks like you do know each other from 380s apology. Hope you can give him a lesson on how to be cool and get along with other wanna bes.

shedfreak380,

Why can't you just be cool instead of a dooshbag? I want to be friends with everybody that hunts or guides ,but when you start calling names and spewing your pie hole thats when all I want to do is knock your teeth out. Grow up and be cool first. Then people will be cool back to you. I'm an average Joe who is a wanna be too. You don't know who I am so take a dose of your own medicine and don't ASSUME your self. Still waiting for your pics. Good-bye.
 
Peak

i guess we're both pretty much in the same boat then. as for the pics, im working on it. I was only on one of the hunts which was the broken 360 6point and the guy who shot it has all the pics because we used his camara. and the other two hunts i was not on, a couple of buddys of mine helped out those hunters. i've been trying to get a hold of my friends but between work and school for all of us, its kinda hard but i will get some pics.

GO BIG or GET OFF the Mountain!
 
My good friends Dad shot a nice 6x5 on the management hunt. My friend also talked to the Fish and GAme officer for the unit and he said at least 80 percent of the harvest so far was of 6x5 bulls. I know a few broken bulls will get shot but it seems not as many as some thought.

Does anyone know if this topic was brought up at the RAC's? My guess is the hunts stay as they are. It should help the bull to cow ratios a little. I would prefer a rule on broken antlers and a loss of at least 1/2 their points. O well, I would like to see pictures of the harvests.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-17-07 AT 06:44PM (MST)[p]Hope these are not the photos we see of management
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I think shifting hunts around each year is stupid. Utah needs to stop changing the rules every darn year--this is really un-nerving for guys like me have spent ten years waiting for a tag. Is the current system really broke? It may not be the way that I would design it, but it basically is working.

The introduction of general spike hunt had a huge impact on the North Cache unit. I am one of the few people that hunted archery deer on this unit. I would have been glad to take an archery LE tag on this unit before they implemented the general spike hunt--because most archery hunters like to hunt on units where they can also hunt elk. Prior to the general spike hunt, I always encountered shootable elk while hunting the archery deer hunt on North Cacke, but I wouldn't waste more than 2 or 3 points on it now--thats for darn sure. There certainly are some nice big bulls on the unit, but the overall number of bulls and behavior of these bulls has changed dramatically--thats a fact.
 

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