The reservation /record book myth

PronghornHunter · Oct 18, 2004

There has been some talk and I have read several posts on this site about the recent 290 non-typical buck killed here in Wyoming and that it can't be entered into the Boone&Crockett book because it was killed on a reservation? Just to clear things up... IT CAN. I knew it could but I just wanted some documentation to prove my research in posting on this so the non-believers would have no doubt.
I just received an e-mail from Jack Reneau from the Boone&Crockett Club stating the buck can be entered and this was his answer to my question.

"Trophies taken on tribal lands in line with sound game management practices,taken in full compliance with tribal laws or regulations regarding such hunting,and with possession of the usual state/provincial hunting license where applicable,and taken in compliance with the Boone&Crockett Club's rules of Fair Chase will be fully accepted as entries for both awards and publications in the records books.
A good example of a reservation with sound wildlife management practices is the White River Apache Indian Reservation where a goodly number of B&C qualifying elk are taken every year."

Jack Reneau
Boone&Crockett Club

4x4elk · Oct 18, 2004

I can see the rules but they should be changed. I have lived on or near a rez for my entire life and have seen alot of monster animals taken that just lie on a shed and go to waist or are sold for money. that i know is there chose but heres what chaps my hide. is the state give the tribe 10% or so of our limited entry permits every year but the tribes that don't allow all to hunt even at a cost should not be able to put any thing in the books because not every one gets a chance. i know tribe members who have had 2 to 5 anthroe permits and guys with 5 prefrace points or more could not draw one if it was handed to them.
but i guess life ain't fair and i have totally disagreed with this rule my entire life so let them do what they there going to any ways this is just my opinion. and i'm sure some ones going to have something to say back so goat ahead

pj31178 · Oct 19, 2004

Amen!
I completely agree 4x4...I myself feel the exact same way.

YELUM · Oct 19, 2004

So, If I own a ranch and don't let anyone but my family to hunt on it, and I take a B&C class animal, are you saying it shouldn't be allowed in the book. Thats crap. I don't agree with all the things they do with Native Americans and hunting but there is no reason this buck shouldn't go in the books if it was harvested during a legal hunting season by legal means. Its the animal that goes in the book for being a great speciman, not the hunter because he/she was a great hunter.
Larry

4x4elk · Oct 19, 2004

i did not say any thing about private land!!!!!! what i am saying is that the state gives them extirior boubdry permits for l/e but some tribes will not give back to the state. so we as non-native americans?? ( where was i born) can have the same chance as native americans. but they have the same chance as us on l/e.....thats whats crap

YELUM · Oct 19, 2004

Yes, the state laws need to be changed, not the B&C rules. It is not right(in my opinion) to give them tags to be used off reservation to be used any time they want, when we cannot hunt reservation land and are limited to a season. Thats not fair chase. What da ya do? It a tough one to get changed.

But if this buck was killed on a reservation during a huntingm season, it should go in the books.
Larry

need2hunt · Oct 20, 2004

4x4elk:

I am a native american and I do know that some of what you are saying is correct. Especially about some native's wasting game that is taken on reservations or off-with the 10% tag allocation you talk about. But the same is true with non-native american folk as well. There are a few bad apples in the box. It goes on on my reservation all the time. But what you are saying about the reservations giving back to the state is not justified in my reservations case. Our tribe purchased a couple of ranches in Central Oregon (30,000+ acres) via grant money allocated from Bonneville Power Admin. for the sole purpose of the tribe to oversee and to enhance fish/wildlife habitat on these ex-cattle ranches. Both tribal and non-tribal people are allowed to hunt there and one must apply for drawings for access to hunt this property during the big game season (s).

Our reservation itself has a set hunting season and practices fair chase ethics.

4x4elk · Oct 20, 2004

hey need2;
i am was not implying all rez's i would agree with the rules if all the rez's was like that of yours. but as the case is in wyoming all the white guys can do is fish.
if the rez was like yours were all have opertunity that would be great. and yes i understand the bad apple theory
non natives accually probably waist more than native, but the natives are consintrated in one area and if you see there ya know we tend to pass judgement and i know thats not right but non natives are scattered out more and we don't tend to see it as much or probably pay attention to it! and as you can tell i can't spell (smile)

BCBOY · Oct 20, 2004

The First Nations here in Canada are allowed to hunt anywhere they want at any time they want as long as it is in their traditional territory. Doesn't matter if it is rez land or not. B&C still accepts their entries. Most hunt for sustanance and not for trophies. But I do know of a couple big B&C bighorns that have been taken in my area.

need2hunt · Oct 21, 2004

My first gut response to this post was anger. But the way I see it there is too much of that shown on this site as it is. I think lots of people, both natives and non-natives alike, do things that are not ethical just to be recognized in a record book. Although I do like daydreaming about seeing or harvesting a big animal such as those in the records books.....I think the record books are where lots of the hunting worlds problems start. But then again, I don't consider those who take game illegaly, hunters....I call 'em POACHERS.

Hawkk33 · Oct 23, 2004

Need2Hunt,

What is the status of the herds of deer and elk on your reservation? Are you allowed to hunt 365? (days a year)and do you see any poaching or illegal taking of game being problemmatic?

Another question,

How many tags are issued or allowed for non tribal members on the 3 properties in the John Day?