Pahvant Muzzleloader Elk Info.
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i bowhunt deer down on the pavhant, and have seen some pretty amazing bulls down there. i dont think you would have problem at all with any tag. wouldnt settle for anything under 370-380 some say higher but thats just me
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It would be a good tag but I wouldnt let the big bull talk get to your head there not behind every tree like everbody thinks.
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WARBIRDUM
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I talked to a guy who had a rough time getting in on the larger bulls last year during the muzz hunt. I told him if it makes him feel better I had a rough go also on the dutton muzz hunt.Those big ol bulls are not easy to kill thats for sure.
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It just wasnt that good as far as elk being vocal where I was hunting.I also was not finding anything with good size during my muzz hunt last year that was the dutton I dont know the pahvant unit but I know the unit I was hunting holds some good bulls that unit is just tough to hunt also but I knew that before I applied.Some did well still maybe I was hunting the wrong areas but for the most part the elk did not want to play how I like to play.Thats hunting I guess no excuses still harvested a bull I am proud of just not what I was dreaming of is all.I do think Utah bulls are getting wise to calling by the time the muzz season hits they do have cows and will move on you and shut up quick.
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-08 AT 07:45PM (MST)[p]cream,
Wouldn't settle for anything under 370-380????? (EDIT: Some say higher? Are you serious?)
Dude, one of the best elk hunters I know was on this hunt last year and it was ROUGH GOING! His bull was no where near 370. You make it sound like it is easy pickins? Not wanting to argue, but don't you think that 380 talk is just some talk?
I personally would be hesitant to apply for Pahvant muzz if it was all about a 370-380 bull. Your chances are NOT good.
Wouldn't settle for anything under 370-380????? (EDIT: Some say higher? Are you serious?)
Dude, one of the best elk hunters I know was on this hunt last year and it was ROUGH GOING! His bull was no where near 370. You make it sound like it is easy pickins? Not wanting to argue, but don't you think that 380 talk is just some talk?
I personally would be hesitant to apply for Pahvant muzz if it was all about a 370-380 bull. Your chances are NOT good.
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My two cents. I think that the muzzleloader has better dates. It varies year to year but i think on average they rut even harder on the muzzleloader. The problem with being later is that you might run into more broken horns and some of the good bulls have been taken on the rifle. That being said there are some awesome sheds that come off that unit every year so you know that they are making it through all the hunts. Plus you have a little better draw odds so I'd go with muzzleloader.
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Dropper, with 14 pionts I would stay with the rifle.
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ktc,
yes i am being serious. they are not behind every tree and yes big bulls are hard to find. but if you scout it hard they are definetly there. i spent 10 days on the archery deer hunt down there and scouted it out for months prior and seen a lot of elk almost every day. i didnt put up my binoculars on every elk i seen as i was hunting deer but some of the big racks just caught my eye. if you think the tag or quality of bulls is over rated dont put in for it, as for me i had the oppurtunity to archery kill several good bulls and yes this is while i was DEER HUNTING dont ask me are you kidding because this was my personal experience that i am passing on to another person.
yes i am being serious. they are not behind every tree and yes big bulls are hard to find. but if you scout it hard they are definetly there. i spent 10 days on the archery deer hunt down there and scouted it out for months prior and seen a lot of elk almost every day. i didnt put up my binoculars on every elk i seen as i was hunting deer but some of the big racks just caught my eye. if you think the tag or quality of bulls is over rated dont put in for it, as for me i had the oppurtunity to archery kill several good bulls and yes this is while i was DEER HUNTING dont ask me are you kidding because this was my personal experience that i am passing on to another person.
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Well....I am speechless of your elk knowledge! 380 or nothing! Yee-Haw! Cannot wait to see pictures when you draw out.
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and oh yeah dropper for some more info, it is probably the most sought after elk tag in utah. the reason for people saying stay away from the big talk is because everyone does talk about it, and talks it up good. some people drive around in there truck or fourwheeler and some people hike, some people get into them some people obviously dont. hunting is hunting but if you hunt hard like i said the 370+ plus is no talk, and i cant wait to draw my tag one day down there.
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Hey cream,
Can you teach me how to judge bulls effectively on the hoof? I have seen bulls I thought would go 380 when in reality they come in at 360. I have also thought a bull was 340 when it came in at 379? So when you talk about all of the big bulls, I am wondering what methods you use to effectively score a live animal, then give advice on the internet to a guy wanting honest opinion?
I still have a lot to learn.
Can you teach me how to judge bulls effectively on the hoof? I have seen bulls I thought would go 380 when in reality they come in at 360. I have also thought a bull was 340 when it came in at 379? So when you talk about all of the big bulls, I am wondering what methods you use to effectively score a live animal, then give advice on the internet to a guy wanting honest opinion?
I still have a lot to learn.
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ktc dont know why you would question someone over there experiences. i have no reason to lie, and never said i had great elk knowledge. and sure i would love to show you a pic one day thats if i get one oh lol never did say i was a great shot with my bow now dont question me getting one. oh i shoot grim reapers you wanna argue about expandables or question what i have shot and killed with them i dont know how to load pics but, oh yeah and i drive a ford powerstroke down there hopefully you dont drive a dodge, oh yeah and how i get around up there is a kawasaki brute force you ride polaris??? and thats why everyone has there own opinions because of someones own experiences with trucks fourwheelers, hunting and fishing thats why some people think they are better than others because of experiences they have had, so maybe you should leave my opinion alone before i get fired up and shed a tear. i have had many great experiences down there on the pahvant have bow hunted deer for countless years and is one of the greatest places on earth.
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no ktc i cant tell you how to judge bulls on the hoof, it just takes seeing a lot of good bulls in your life like on the pahvant to know a 340 bull from a 380
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Yes talk is cheap. I wish dropper could actually speek to all of the muzz hunters before he uses his points. I think he would find that most of the hunters would tell him 07 was a tough year.
I have no points and am out of the elk game. I have nothing to gain by telling you what I saw and understood to happen on this hunt. dropper, I heard it was very tough last year. Not what you would expect for 14 points. You got great advice. Stick with the rifle. You can scout these units all years long, then in September, they get rutty and move (sometimes very far) to get their cows. The effective scouting window is very short.
But hey! What the hell do I know? I took my 4 wheeler 3 years running and it never got unloaded from the trailer. My horses did though and they were tired at the end.
I have no points and am out of the elk game. I have nothing to gain by telling you what I saw and understood to happen on this hunt. dropper, I heard it was very tough last year. Not what you would expect for 14 points. You got great advice. Stick with the rifle. You can scout these units all years long, then in September, they get rutty and move (sometimes very far) to get their cows. The effective scouting window is very short.
But hey! What the hell do I know? I took my 4 wheeler 3 years running and it never got unloaded from the trailer. My horses did though and they were tired at the end.
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been down there on my buddies horses down there a few times some fun places to ride huh. did you see any good bucks?
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cream,
Here is my point. Not trying to start a fight, but maybe I am doing it any way. When a guy asks about a permit, he has a lot invested, I want to give him good advice. I think telling anyone 380+ is a VERY big stretch nd not realistic. Possible? Yes! Probable? No! These calibers of bulls are there, but finding one, and killing one, is tough duty!
It is my understanding that last year, on Pahvat muzz, on average, it was a poor hunt and 320 bulls were the norm. That is what I heard from guys who hunted it. 2 guys who are very good elk hunters? That is my point.
Peace brother!
Here is my point. Not trying to start a fight, but maybe I am doing it any way. When a guy asks about a permit, he has a lot invested, I want to give him good advice. I think telling anyone 380+ is a VERY big stretch nd not realistic. Possible? Yes! Probable? No! These calibers of bulls are there, but finding one, and killing one, is tough duty!
It is my understanding that last year, on Pahvat muzz, on average, it was a poor hunt and 320 bulls were the norm. That is what I heard from guys who hunted it. 2 guys who are very good elk hunters? That is my point.
Peace brother!
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thats fine and not trying to start a fight either, i am just telling him my experience, i understand he has a lot of points invested into this hunt and i never said it would be easy because taking a trophy animal very rarely is. for me to say 370+ is my opinion and you gave him yours so leave it at that.
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cream,
I personally have not hunted Pahvant. I know it is big bull country, but that does not change my opinion of getting one or not. I was on another unit just south of you. I talk to a lot of people so I pretty much understand what is happening. If you spend a ton of time on Pahvant I bet you possibly could kill a 380+! However, most guys, even if they scout hard on that OIL hunt, they just cannot do the 380 thing? Agreed? 380 is HUGE but everything would have to come together, especially with a muzz, to get it done. People have this misconception that if they draw 380 bulls fall like flies. In reality, that is not true.
Thanks!
I personally have not hunted Pahvant. I know it is big bull country, but that does not change my opinion of getting one or not. I was on another unit just south of you. I talk to a lot of people so I pretty much understand what is happening. If you spend a ton of time on Pahvant I bet you possibly could kill a 380+! However, most guys, even if they scout hard on that OIL hunt, they just cannot do the 380 thing? Agreed? 380 is HUGE but everything would have to come together, especially with a muzz, to get it done. People have this misconception that if they draw 380 bulls fall like flies. In reality, that is not true.
Thanks!
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cream,
cool! He did ask for your thoughts!
cool! He did ask for your thoughts!
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If you learn anything ktc please pass the information along to me please.There are so many stories about 380 plus bulls it just blows me away that some think you just draw a tag and go kill a monster bull they act like 370 plus bulls are running all over these units.WRONG.
Ktc that bull I was after you know which one I am talking about would have been one of those that grow as you walk up to him after looking at the video I have of him before my hunt opened, but most of the bulls we seen were just dinks that I think alot would call 350 plus .WRONG
The bull I did harvest fooled me big time, when hunting you sometimes do not have to much time to judge these bulls and most likely will not kill what you think they score.I know many bulls that people say are 370 plus are not that size.Its nice when you walk up to a bull that is alot bigger than what you judged the bull to be but most likely that will not happen.I bet more 300-320 bulls get killed that people think go 350 plus before they pull the trigger, its so easy to miss judge bulls if you ask me but I am willing to learn if anyone has the knowledge on how to judge bulls quick when the heat is on.Dont get me wrong these great units grow some monster bulls but they are few and far between and thats the truth.I still think to kill one of these bulls it takes alot of scouting using many people helping you find them and it takes alot of hard work hunting and glassing for them during the hunt and tons and tons of good luck to put one on the ground.I dont go for the different weapon deal my largest bull to date was taken with a bow and I have hunted bulls in the rut using a bow,rifle and muzz so dont tell me rifle hunts or muzz hunts are much easier on putting a big bull down, most of my good hunts using a bow have been very early in September so I think this is the best time to harvest bulls before they have gathered cows thats just what I think anyway.
Ktc that bull I was after you know which one I am talking about would have been one of those that grow as you walk up to him after looking at the video I have of him before my hunt opened, but most of the bulls we seen were just dinks that I think alot would call 350 plus .WRONG
The bull I did harvest fooled me big time, when hunting you sometimes do not have to much time to judge these bulls and most likely will not kill what you think they score.I know many bulls that people say are 370 plus are not that size.Its nice when you walk up to a bull that is alot bigger than what you judged the bull to be but most likely that will not happen.I bet more 300-320 bulls get killed that people think go 350 plus before they pull the trigger, its so easy to miss judge bulls if you ask me but I am willing to learn if anyone has the knowledge on how to judge bulls quick when the heat is on.Dont get me wrong these great units grow some monster bulls but they are few and far between and thats the truth.I still think to kill one of these bulls it takes alot of scouting using many people helping you find them and it takes alot of hard work hunting and glassing for them during the hunt and tons and tons of good luck to put one on the ground.I dont go for the different weapon deal my largest bull to date was taken with a bow and I have hunted bulls in the rut using a bow,rifle and muzz so dont tell me rifle hunts or muzz hunts are much easier on putting a big bull down, most of my good hunts using a bow have been very early in September so I think this is the best time to harvest bulls before they have gathered cows thats just what I think anyway.
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so you wanna meet up and give each other a hug now or what??? kinda thought you were an ***hole at first lol.
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I am an **hole? Don't you know that yet? Sorry dude no hugs, maybe a high five?;-)
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lol oh warbirdum are you trying to start another war? i agree with you 100 percent that a lot of people judge a bull bigger that what it really is and an exact score is difficult, but like i said i spend a lot of time down there and definetly know a good bull from a decent bull. as for being able to see one everyday??? no not at all never said you could i did however say i could have had oppurtunities at several
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KTC is an a hole! killin 380+ bulls on the pahvant is a piece a cake.
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No kiddin' You have proved that more than once!
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cream,
Not starting any fights I never did say you dont know how to judge bulls I said most dont know how to judge bulls that is what I meant.
Hope you draw and kill a big-un.
Not starting any fights I never did say you dont know how to judge bulls I said most dont know how to judge bulls that is what I meant.
Hope you draw and kill a big-un.
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KTC can I get a hug? I'll bring ladder
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No ladder, Just kiss my nuts!;-)
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Then he won't need the ladder...haha...
Yep like NUNYA said...easy!!!
How many guys have drawn the Pahvant and shot their mouth off on here never to be heard of again? I can think of a couple. Guys told them it ain't that easy and they would erupt as if insulted.... Get the tag, kill the bull, and then post him up!!!!!
You can't even stop anybody on the mountain anymore without them telling you about the 380 bull that just crossed the road a mile or so back... and the dozen 350 bulls they had seen that morning.... and the funny thing is you are on that unit every other day or two and they just drove down for the day!!!
haha...I love it...
Yep like NUNYA said...easy!!!
How many guys have drawn the Pahvant and shot their mouth off on here never to be heard of again? I can think of a couple. Guys told them it ain't that easy and they would erupt as if insulted.... Get the tag, kill the bull, and then post him up!!!!!
You can't even stop anybody on the mountain anymore without them telling you about the 380 bull that just crossed the road a mile or so back... and the dozen 350 bulls they had seen that morning.... and the funny thing is you are on that unit every other day or two and they just drove down for the day!!!
haha...I love it...
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KTC, your nuts are in your wifes purse.
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Give me a hug and you will see my nuts NUNYA! Ha!
No kidding rick. Where are those handful of guys who draw on MM every year and flap their gums about 380+? It cracks me up. I almost feel bad for them when they shoot something less and start blaming everything and everyone from the guides to God!
If you draw Utah, you can expect maybe 15% of the bulls to go over 370 or so. Draw with a bow or muzz and your chances to get these bulls just went down. But, what the hell do I know other than my nuts are firmly attached right where they ought to be!;-)
No kidding rick. Where are those handful of guys who draw on MM every year and flap their gums about 380+? It cracks me up. I almost feel bad for them when they shoot something less and start blaming everything and everyone from the guides to God!
If you draw Utah, you can expect maybe 15% of the bulls to go over 370 or so. Draw with a bow or muzz and your chances to get these bulls just went down. But, what the hell do I know other than my nuts are firmly attached right where they ought to be!;-)
WHOA! I did'nt mean to get you guys all excited! I do see both points, i've been in "the hills" and seen numerous big bulls and at the time it seems as if the unit is full of nothing but huge bulls and all are killable at any givin time! On the other hand i've hunted enough to know that when the hunt is on, it can be a whole different story! I know there's huge bulls in Utah, but killin one is a different ball game! All your advice has been Awesome and a few of you have already spent your hard earned points well! Thanks and good huntin to all of you!
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When I had my Monroe archery permit, I had 3 bulls I had watched all summer that I figured would top 375. There probably wasn't 5 days that I wasn't up on the hill from the first of May until the hunt started and I knew the bulls in the area I had been scouting very well. I had people I talked to telling me that they had seen 380 to 400 inch from the middle of June on, and even had one guy tell me that he had seen 4 400" bulls that morning alone....I thought that seemed funny when at that time Utah had not had a legitimate 400" bull taken and even though the Monroe is a great unit, come on!!!!
And then I think there ended up only being 4 or 5 bulls killed on the Monroe archery that year...
And now we have the Pahvant, Beaver, Boulder, and the Dutton producing a few 400" bulls each year, but look at all the guys who "see them" while passing thru.
You just have to take everything you hear with a grain of salt!
It is just an ego trip for guys to tell others they seen all these big 400" bulls...
But makes for good stories!!!! and we all love a good story, huh?
And then I think there ended up only being 4 or 5 bulls killed on the Monroe archery that year...
And now we have the Pahvant, Beaver, Boulder, and the Dutton producing a few 400" bulls each year, but look at all the guys who "see them" while passing thru.
You just have to take everything you hear with a grain of salt!
It is just an ego trip for guys to tell others they seen all these big 400" bulls...
But makes for good stories!!!! and we all love a good story, huh?
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I've helped on the Pavhant during 06 and 07 ML hunts. I've looked at bulls and talked with several DIY hunters during each hunt, most of the bulls killed (that I know of) run in the 330ish range. This year we talked with some hunters that told us of a bull they were glassing that for sure would go 400, that 7 point was killed the next morning before we got to him ? other hunters said the bull was closer to 320 after he was on the ground. The bull my wife took scores 339 ? I call him 340 just for the hell of it. He busted in on us fast with apx 15 cows, with a heavy back end and not getting a good look at his brows she dumped him. Now, given our life - kids, (my AK Moose hunt) hot weather, bla bla, bla she made a good choice for her and we are both happy with the bull. Seems I counted about 20 bulls she had less than 150 yards during her 4 days of hunting.
In 06 we had 1 380ish, 1 370ish and a few 320+ bulls all talking much of the day ? larger bulls in 06.
I've hunted ML elk many times ? it's a different game than rifle, thus most hunters end up with fine bulls and many close calls, but not many bring home monsters. Last ? I do believe that MOST of the largest bulls 390+ are patterned and dead after the rifle, if that's your target don't go ML
In 06 we had 1 380ish, 1 370ish and a few 320+ bulls all talking much of the day ? larger bulls in 06.
I've hunted ML elk many times ? it's a different game than rifle, thus most hunters end up with fine bulls and many close calls, but not many bring home monsters. Last ? I do believe that MOST of the largest bulls 390+ are patterned and dead after the rifle, if that's your target don't go ML
My ML hunt in 07 was rough. The bulls weren't broken(For the most part) and still vocal but we couldn't get them to move our direction. Most of them would gather their cows and bugle good-bye!! This left us to the spot N stalk, my preffered method anyway.
Bottom line, all of the bulls that I placed in the 370+ range during all my scouting and hunting the unit were really hard to get to, almost closed the deal once. I ended up with a 330 bull. My brother was on the same hunt and had luck swing his way BIG TIME, he closed the deal on a 380 bull.
Any hunter with the abilitity to think logically knows that no matter how many 380+ bulls are seen or actually running around it will take hard work, percerverance, help and a LOT OF LUCK to close the deal.
?Here?s to the hero's that Git-R-Done!!?
Bottom line, all of the bulls that I placed in the 370+ range during all my scouting and hunting the unit were really hard to get to, almost closed the deal once. I ended up with a 330 bull. My brother was on the same hunt and had luck swing his way BIG TIME, he closed the deal on a 380 bull.
Any hunter with the abilitity to think logically knows that no matter how many 380+ bulls are seen or actually running around it will take hard work, percerverance, help and a LOT OF LUCK to close the deal.
?Here?s to the hero's that Git-R-Done!!?
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-08-08 AT 09:56AM (MST)[p]Thanks guys. I am glad some one else agrees that 360+ is NO gimme! 380 or nothing is big talk. If you are serious, be prepared for nothing. The muzz hunt was very tough last year! If you got a 350+ you did very very well! Those bulls wanted nothing to do with a bugle!
pf, Yup that stuff on NUNYA's breath, that is my nut sweat! Ha!;-) I cannot decide if he is really really little? Or I am really really big? All I know is my neck hurts when I talk to him.;-)
pf, Yup that stuff on NUNYA's breath, that is my nut sweat! Ha!;-) I cannot decide if he is really really little? Or I am really really big? All I know is my neck hurts when I talk to him.;-)
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My muzzy hunt last year was also
tuff, I seen alot of bulls and hunted
one bull for 6 days.
The hardest things about the hunt
where in this order:
#1 Heavy winds
#2 Full moon
#3 Deer hunters
#4 Getting within 150 to 170 of a 380 bull.
P.S. had the big bull at 186 yards.
tuff, I seen alot of bulls and hunted
one bull for 6 days.
The hardest things about the hunt
where in this order:
#1 Heavy winds
#2 Full moon
#3 Deer hunters
#4 Getting within 150 to 170 of a 380 bull.
P.S. had the big bull at 186 yards.
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I can tell you from PERSONAL experience that the Muzz hunt is not a GIMME! I had a Muzz tag across the valley from the Pahvant and a lot of you know the bull I killed. One thing is that the big bulls are already cowed up on the muzz hunt and are VERY difficult to get close to. Plus, the EXTREME pressue from finally drawing the tag turns you into a CRAZY person....just ask the guys I was hunting with....antlerrick can tell you I was a basketcase!
All this talk of 390 or nothing on the Pahvant is just plain STUPID!!!! KTC is absolutly right.......
One of my best friends had a Pahvant Muzz tag and as soon as I killed my bull I headed up there. Now I grew up at the base of this unit and have hunted it my whole life! The guys that were helping him before I got there have guided MANY guys to GREAT bulls on that unit. On day 5 we had not yet got close to anything over 330.....and he ended up killing a 350 bull and was VERY VERY VERY happy with this bull!!!!!!
TO those that say you can kill that 380 bull no problem have NEVER ACTUALLY hunted with a tag up there........cuz it is no easy task!!!!!
Now that being said..........I hope you draw the tag and have a GREAT HUNT and kill the bull of your dreams.....just dont ruin the hunt with dreams of 390 or nothing with a muzz..........it will leave you very dissappointed!!!!!!!!!! Just my two cents.
All this talk of 390 or nothing on the Pahvant is just plain STUPID!!!! KTC is absolutly right.......
One of my best friends had a Pahvant Muzz tag and as soon as I killed my bull I headed up there. Now I grew up at the base of this unit and have hunted it my whole life! The guys that were helping him before I got there have guided MANY guys to GREAT bulls on that unit. On day 5 we had not yet got close to anything over 330.....and he ended up killing a 350 bull and was VERY VERY VERY happy with this bull!!!!!!
TO those that say you can kill that 380 bull no problem have NEVER ACTUALLY hunted with a tag up there........cuz it is no easy task!!!!!
Now that being said..........I hope you draw the tag and have a GREAT HUNT and kill the bull of your dreams.....just dont ruin the hunt with dreams of 390 or nothing with a muzz..........it will leave you very dissappointed!!!!!!!!!! Just my two cents.
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-08-08 AT 08:46PM (MST)[p]All this talk of 380"+ bulls being so easy can sure make the hunt more miserable than enjoyable if you draw. When you hear the talk and then you feel like you either kill a 380+ bull or you are a failure, the experience can turn into pure stress instead of fun and enjoyment.
FLEH fell into this trap. He was so pumped yet so stressed from all the hype and expectations from others that I don't feel he enjoyed his hunt as much as he should have. I tried to tell him that he needed to just go and enjoy but I know where he was coming from. I had been there so I knew what I wanted to tell him but didn't know how to actually do it.
That was easy for me to tell him, but impossible for someone who had just drawn a permit he dreamed of to comprehend until they got to experience it.
If and when you draw, go with high expectations, but keep them reasonable, and just enjoy the hunt . Hunt for the reasons you love to hunt. If you set your goal at 380+ and then don't succeed, you will not feel good about your hunt. Set your goal to just enjoy the hunt, harvest the greatest bull you have ever had the chance to do, and cherish the moments.
Don't let the unreasonable talk of others dictate your success and enjoyment!
And enjoy it whether it's the Pahvant, or any other unit!!
Good Luck!
FLEH fell into this trap. He was so pumped yet so stressed from all the hype and expectations from others that I don't feel he enjoyed his hunt as much as he should have. I tried to tell him that he needed to just go and enjoy but I know where he was coming from. I had been there so I knew what I wanted to tell him but didn't know how to actually do it.
That was easy for me to tell him, but impossible for someone who had just drawn a permit he dreamed of to comprehend until they got to experience it.
If and when you draw, go with high expectations, but keep them reasonable, and just enjoy the hunt . Hunt for the reasons you love to hunt. If you set your goal at 380+ and then don't succeed, you will not feel good about your hunt. Set your goal to just enjoy the hunt, harvest the greatest bull you have ever had the chance to do, and cherish the moments.
Don't let the unreasonable talk of others dictate your success and enjoyment!
And enjoy it whether it's the Pahvant, or any other unit!!
Good Luck!
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-08-08 AT 09:14PM (MST)[p]Fishlakeelkhunter,
I am sure glad you were a basketcase also I was the same way on my hunt when things started going from good before my hunt opened to bad and only worse as my hunt went on.I killed a bull I am very proud of also with the hunting conditions we were having.Its nice to hear it happened to alot more people than just me on my muzz hunt now I know it wasnt just me having bad luck.It sure wasnt the lack of effort those muzz dates should be great but I have not hunted elk that much that late in the rut sure seemed my calling skills would not work like I wanted them to other than calling in small bulls its still fun but not on a hunt like that.I was dreaming of a big boy coming in just one time.I am proud of the bull I killed but he sure did not even come close to the 360 plus I was thinking I could get.
I have been told that some years the muzz hunt is the best hunt out of all 3 rut hunts but it sounds like for alot of us had to work for the bulls we killed.
I just laugh when guys say 380 or nothing yes the units have them but now go put one on the ground its just not that easy and if you do please tell us the truth hunting consists of alot of luck when taking these big bulls.
Hope the muzz season is better this year for the applicants trying for these tags good luck.
I am sure glad you were a basketcase also I was the same way on my hunt when things started going from good before my hunt opened to bad and only worse as my hunt went on.I killed a bull I am very proud of also with the hunting conditions we were having.Its nice to hear it happened to alot more people than just me on my muzz hunt now I know it wasnt just me having bad luck.It sure wasnt the lack of effort those muzz dates should be great but I have not hunted elk that much that late in the rut sure seemed my calling skills would not work like I wanted them to other than calling in small bulls its still fun but not on a hunt like that.I was dreaming of a big boy coming in just one time.I am proud of the bull I killed but he sure did not even come close to the 360 plus I was thinking I could get.
I have been told that some years the muzz hunt is the best hunt out of all 3 rut hunts but it sounds like for alot of us had to work for the bulls we killed.
I just laugh when guys say 380 or nothing yes the units have them but now go put one on the ground its just not that easy and if you do please tell us the truth hunting consists of alot of luck when taking these big bulls.
Hope the muzz season is better this year for the applicants trying for these tags good luck.
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creamofthecrop
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so there you have it dropper, you have many different answers on here for you to go with. i dont know why everyone is saying i think the hunt is easy or you will definetly get a monster. i was just saying what id do if i drew the tag, and being the most saught after tag in utah, theres a reason for that and that is the great oppurtunity the pavhant produces, everyone that has ever hunted public land should know that taking a trophy animal is not easy. like i said its just the oppurtunity, someone said everything would have to come into place to kill a 380 bull i definetly agree but with all hunting no matter where everything has to come into place good luck on what you decide.
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rock5150
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-08-08 AT 10:07PM (MST)[p]Let me just say this. I grow up on the Pahvant and the Muzz hunt on that mountain is not what one might expect. The south end has the cwmu on it, the north end has a lot fewer roads compared to the south. The elk are moving a lot in the rut from off the top down into the steep canyons and foot hills. Who knows where any bull will end up after the Bow and rifle hunts. lots of pressure from deer hunters. In one of the earlier post some one said they bow hunted deer there and saw a lot of bulls. They Tend to not be any where they were on the bow hunt on the Muzz AKA on top moving to find cows. There are great bulls that can be killed there but, you would be nuts to pass on a good not broke 350-360 class bull any time. Just my thoughts. If you draw let me know and I can give you some tips of where to be if you would like that time of year.
Rock5150
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I might as well get my 2 cents in as well. I had a muzzy tag this past season and was at a disadvantage from the start...being from out of state and never stepping foot in the unit. I got some great advice from several guys that frequent this website that gave me a head start. I arrived a week early to scout and for the most part spun my wheels for the first 5 days. I can attest to many of the same things mentioned above about difficulty of locating and calling in bulls w/cows during the muzzy season! It was the most physically and mentally demanding hunt I've ever been on!
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that mature herom bulls didn't live 5 to 8+ years by being dumb and they had just made it through a month long archery season plus the early rifle season. The places I spotted the biggest bulls were in some of the nastiest, most isolated parts of the unit I hunted! I did everything in my power to call them in and they ignored every bugle and cow call I sent their way! I called in a few satellite bulls through the 2 1/2 weeks I was on the unit but none of the larger herd bulls.
The few giant bulls you see published in the magazines and in some of the website posts are for the most part the cream of the crop. Most of the bulls I saw shot in the unit I hunted averaged about 320-330ish and every bull I saw guided hunters bring out were in the 330-350 class. Obviously the guides knew the unit just about as well as anyone...and they had horses!
I was pretty excited to finally get a good bull towards the last days of the season. I was also pretty excited that I lived to tell about it because there were a few times I wondered if I was ever going to make it down off that mtn!
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that mature herom bulls didn't live 5 to 8+ years by being dumb and they had just made it through a month long archery season plus the early rifle season. The places I spotted the biggest bulls were in some of the nastiest, most isolated parts of the unit I hunted! I did everything in my power to call them in and they ignored every bugle and cow call I sent their way! I called in a few satellite bulls through the 2 1/2 weeks I was on the unit but none of the larger herd bulls.
The few giant bulls you see published in the magazines and in some of the website posts are for the most part the cream of the crop. Most of the bulls I saw shot in the unit I hunted averaged about 320-330ish and every bull I saw guided hunters bring out were in the 330-350 class. Obviously the guides knew the unit just about as well as anyone...and they had horses!
I was pretty excited to finally get a good bull towards the last days of the season. I was also pretty excited that I lived to tell about it because there were a few times I wondered if I was ever going to make it down off that mtn!
After appling for the rifle hunt for 18 years, my good friend put in and drew the muzzy pahvant tag in 06, scouted 19 days, finding several bulls he felt would go 380+. He was on the biggest bull for the first 4 days but could never get within less than 380 yards. He ended up with a 320 class bull on day 8.
He said it was THE toughest hunt ever. He also said he would never do muzzy again. Wished he would have stuck with the rifle draw.
Yelum
He said it was THE toughest hunt ever. He also said he would never do muzzy again. Wished he would have stuck with the rifle draw.
Yelum
bowhunt
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I do not know how guys every field judge an Elk and get within 10 inches. Seems almost impossible. I know I cannot!
My advice is get the muzzy tag if you want to hunt that time of year, and shoot the first bull that you would hang on the wall. You may see a bigger one later, and you may not. Big deal.
Setting your sights on a 370+ bull could lead to a LOT sadness!
When I shot my bull this year, seeing him on the ground I guessed 350. Then I measured him at 381, then he really scored....
Anyway, good luck, it would be a fun hunt. But to me they all are fun hunts.
My advice is get the muzzy tag if you want to hunt that time of year, and shoot the first bull that you would hang on the wall. You may see a bigger one later, and you may not. Big deal.
Setting your sights on a 370+ bull could lead to a LOT sadness!
When I shot my bull this year, seeing him on the ground I guessed 350. Then I measured him at 381, then he really scored....
Anyway, good luck, it would be a fun hunt. But to me they all are fun hunts.
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ktc
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Lots of truth in the last 3 posts.........
380 or nothing? Anyone who says that either has killed a lot of 380 bulls or he has his head stuck to his computer keyboard
380 or nothing? Anyone who says that either has killed a lot of 380 bulls or he has his head stuck to his computer keyboard
antlerrick
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Good to see the "Truth"...
And anyone who has taken a 330 bull has nothing to hang their head over. As long as you got to experience the opportunity to hunt for a mature bull, and enjoyed that opportunity, you were successful. We all get too hung up on the 380+ stuff. Sure it can be done, and it does happen, but it is not the norm. I think it is finally coming out that a 380+ bull ISN'T behind every bush, and the majority of us don't have the time and resources to find the few that are there..
Again, go for the experience and the memories...
And if a 380 happens to cross your path, feel lucky....If not, feel lucky you just got to go.
And anyone who has taken a 330 bull has nothing to hang their head over. As long as you got to experience the opportunity to hunt for a mature bull, and enjoyed that opportunity, you were successful. We all get too hung up on the 380+ stuff. Sure it can be done, and it does happen, but it is not the norm. I think it is finally coming out that a 380+ bull ISN'T behind every bush, and the majority of us don't have the time and resources to find the few that are there..
Again, go for the experience and the memories...
And if a 380 happens to cross your path, feel lucky....If not, feel lucky you just got to go.
