elk score typ vs nt

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northwesthunter

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When you are having a bull scored and it is a 6x7 how do you decide whether to score it as a typical or nontyp or is it not an option? In Washington the typical archery #1 score is 375 and the nontyp is lower with the #1 being 364.Obviously we are not a huge recordbook producing elk state! My bull from this last year will be officially scored this next week and will be around the 365 net mark as a typical and grossed 380 green score. That would put it at #3 typical but possibly #1 nontyp. I am not big into this scoring and record book stuff but want to know my options and give this beautiful bull all the credit he deserves. Thanks for any help. nwhunter
 
I see so in my case he could only score as a typical as on the 7x side the sixth comes off the main beam. thanks nwhunter
 
If you look on the typical B&C score sheet there is a picture of a typcial rack with an "E" or abnormal point that is coming off the main beam. Abnormal pts can either be in an "abnormal" place on the main beam or come off any of the tines. All "abnormal" or non-matching pts are not included in the typical score.

For nontypical elk score you go through a similar process but all the abnormal points are added to the typical frame score (whether the abnormal points match or not on each side).

Another thing that a lot of guys don't seem to realize is that the width measurement used in the B&C score is inside spread of the main beam. This is often a lot narrower than the greatest width of the rack!
 
I know this is a little off subject, but to follow-up jims last comment, people often times measure the main beam and the "sixth" point. The sixth point is only included in the beam score.

Just a tidbit for those who may not know.......
 
Dido, as long as they come off the main beam, straigh up, it is typical.


Timberline
 
Look at the pics of the Utah gov bull posted bull.
That bull has an "extra" 3rd, but all the other points are in place.
That point is scored as a non typ point because it's out of place whether it's on the beam or not.

If that point was scored as a typical G3, his G4 sword tine would be where his 3rd is, and that's wrong. His 4th point is ALWAYS his G4 no matter what lies in front of it.
And if something DOES, like in THIS case, that point is "non typical".

Someone correct me if i'm wrong.










Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
You are correct!

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.
 
But, according to D13er, if that governor's bull had the matching point on the other side, his sword points would be considered his G-5's, and he'd be scored as a typical. Right?
 
>But, according to D13er, if that
>governor's bull had the matching
>point on the other side,
>his sword points would be
>considered his G-5's, and he'd
>be scored as a typical.
> Right?

Wrong, a typical means a bull that has points were they 'typically' are. That means G1,G2,G3,G4,G5, and even G6 are considered typical, any tines in between ANY of these is considered 'non'-typical. Same goes for any points past a G6. A typical is just what it is, a typical, meaning a bull elk typically has 5-7 points per side and equal points on both sides, anything varying from that is considered non-typical.

PRO


Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.
 
slamdunk and proutdoors obviously went to a different official measurers workshop than I did. Let me quote from the B&C bible:

"3)If an extra pair of points occurs, one on each antler, below the large dagger point, which is usually G-4, then it is proper to record this extra pair of points as normal points.


JB
 
>But, according to D13er, if that
>governor's bull had the matching
>point on the other side,
>his sword points would be
>considered his G-5's, and he'd
>be scored as a typical.
> Right?


That's exactly right ColoradoOak.

JB
 
And further more Pro, from the same bible:

5) While the score chart shows space for recording only seven such points, there is no upper limit to how many normal points can occur on an elk antler. In the extreme rarity that more than seven normal points (not including the beam tip) occur, the measurments of the extra point(s)may be included as a seperate attachment.


There is no rule against a 10 x 10 straight typical.

JB
 
Here's a direct quoate from the bible I read d13er-

"Abnormal points are those non-typical in location (such as points originating from a point or from bottom or sides of main beam) or pattern (extra points, not generally paired). Measure in usual manner and record in appropriate blanks."

That tells ME anything out of place, or coming OFF an existing point is NON-TYPICAL.

So let me ask you this d13er, if that gov bull DID infact have an extra 3rd on each side, where would you take your mass measurement, since you are supposed to measure between the G1-G2, G2-G3, G3-G4, and G4-G5???










Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
What would you guys say on this bull? Typ, or non-typ? 7x8
bull_2.jpg

bull_3.jpg


Andy
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Andyman-
Here's MY .02 cents for what's it's worth on that very cool bull.

That bull is still scored as "typical".
He has "extra points", but they are definately in a normal position on the frame and not scored as non typical points.

You can clearly see his G1,2,3,4,5,6 are all in line on both sides, with that one extra "in line" on his left.






Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
>What would you guys say on
>this bull? Typ, or non-typ?
>7x8
>
bull_2.jpg

>
bull_3.jpg

>
>Andy
>-----------------------------------------------
>http://www.trophyblogger.com/Andymansavage


He is a typical with an unmatched normal point on the left antler, you would enter a zero on the right antler column in that position.

JB
 
>So let me ask you this
>d13er, if that gov bull
>DID infact have an extra
>3rd on each side, where
>would you take your mass
>measurement, since you are
>supposed to measure between the
>G1-G2, G2-G3, G3-G4, and G4-G5???
>
>

You would take the H measurments exactly as you show except the dagger that you thik is always a G-4 would actually be the G-5.

JB
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-23-08 AT 10:58AM (MST)[p]Now i DON'T agree on that one JB, a 4th point NEVER changes into a 5th.

Another quoate from the "bible".

"Extra tines that sometimes grow between T-1 and T-2 are non-typical even if they grow from the top of the main beam. Crown tines, extra tines that grow adjacent to the royal tine (T-4), are all non-typical.

And another-

Length of Typical Tines (Figure 6)
It is necessary to identify the valid typical tines because the beam circumference is measured between typical tines, disregarding the non-typical tines. Valid tines must be at least 1 inch long, and they must grow in a location and manner typical for elk.






Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
LOL!!
Actually i got quotes from both the B&C and SCI rules.

Educate me though JB, i'm warming up my BBQ to eat some crow if i'm wrong. :)







Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-23-08 AT 05:34PM (MST)[p]LOL, I don't like crow either, thank god in this case I don't have anything to worry about. Use BBQ sauce, it helps. At least you don't have to eat alone. Where's Pro?

JB
 
HAAAA!
Show me ONE bull in the record books that they are calling his sword tines (G4's) his 5th's and i'll eat the crow without any sauce whatsoever.






Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-24-08 AT 12:30PM (MST)[p]here's a couple more quotes from the bible, mormon or otherwise-

"Length of Typical Tines (Figure 6)
It is necessary to identify the valid typical tines because the beam circumference is measured between typical tines, disregarding the non-typical tines. Valid tines must be at least 1 inch long, and they must grow in a location and manner typical for elk. The tip of the main beam is not measured as a tine."

"Extra tines that sometimes grow between T-1 and T-2 are non-typical even if they grow from the top of the main beam. Crown tines, extra tines that grow adjacent to the royal tine (T-4), are all non-typical."


And right from the B&C book its'self-


"Abnormal points are those non-typical in location (such as points originating from a point or from the bottom or sides of the main beam) or pattern (extra points, not generally paired). Measure in the usual manner (See Figure A). If there are more than five abnormal point to a side, add them together and input in the last field."

It clearly states- "Abnormal points are those non-typical in location or pattern"

And even in parentheses it states, and I quote "(extra points, not generally paired)"
Those points clearly fall into the non-typical category.


I don't think i'll start my BBQ just yet. ;-)







Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
You don't have to believe it. I'm not gonna beat my brains out trying to convince you. Keep scoring them wrong if you want, your score isn't worth the paper it's written on. Mine is.

JB
 
LOL!

If you want to call the sword tine "a bulls 5th" if he has an extra up front, that's fine.

It was fun....your alright JB, i respect a stand up guy :)





Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
Thanks guys for the info sounds like I am not the only one who isn't real sure about the whole measuring concept but learning. My bull was scored yesterday and netted 365 4/8 typical (grossed 379) putting him at #4 in our washington record book for archery. Would have been #3 but a guy brought in another 07 archery bull that netted 367 and bumped me. Both great bulls for our state! nwhunter
 

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