My 2006 Bull, 5 Years Earlier??? What do You Think?

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Well elkster, sent me some pics of a bull that were taken 5 years prior to my elk hunt. They were taken in the same area where I killed my bull. The only kicker is that the pics were taken, 5 years before my hunt.

I have my opinion on whether it is the same bull or not... What do you think?

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I believe that the evidence is beginning to sway the jury in your favor. Looks awfully similar, especially in the front. Nice bull, congrats. Scott
 
I'm going with the same genetics but different elk. The bull in the pic looks to be a little wider then yours and has a swopping main beam.

IB
 
My opinion is different bull, same genetics as well. But, those are pretty cool pictures either way.
 
I'd have to say "No", not the same bull.
The width, 3rds, 4th's and the beams are not similar enough.

Even though there are the years in diffence of age, the traits would still be there and still be quite distinct.
Just my .02

Congrats on your bull though, he's gorgeous!!










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There is no way to tell. It could be the same bull but what are the odds? Same family? Probably.
Jeff
 
your nutts if you dont think thats the same bull. Ive never seen anything that close to the same
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-25-08 AT 04:44PM (MST)[p]same bull
one more reason for me that we dont need 15 year old elk in utah

Archery is a year round commitment!!
 
Okay, I was digging through my pictures and I think this picture will add another perspective regarding this bull. Anybody change their minds after seeing him from this angle?

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CS

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Judging from the bulls right antler, and the time frame fits, I would say they are the same. There isn't much differences in the right antler.

Todd
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-25-08 AT 08:04PM (MST)[p]Now how would anyone know that was the same bull from 5 years ago?

IdahoBugler is probably right. Bulls can carry the same genetics. For someone to even think they are one in the same and use that as any kind of argument that bull is past his prime is ricockulous.

My bull was 11. When he was 10 he was smaller. I have pictures of him the year before and dead the next year. For cows bull to lose the difference in those 2 bulls in 4-5 years I am not buying it. My opion, at 10 years old, if it was the same, it would be about the same size, give or take, with more mass, maybe some trash. JMO.

I just looked again. No way. The only similarities is the longer brows and shorter g2's. Width, length, and beams are not the same. IMHO. That live bull is a smoker! You got a great bull as well cs.
 
Ok, so now most everyone has had their say, I guess I'll chime in, since they are my pics. The bull the CS and the ones I got the pics of, are the same bull. We have watched this bull for several years, ever since he was really young. (He caught our attention because of his front end) In fact I have a shed that we are pretty dang sure is the same bull. I picked it up about 3-4 years before thc pics were taken. (I'll try to post the pics of the shed) This bull would winter in the same general area every winter. We would always watch for him and it was always fun to see him show up year after year. And knowing that he eluded the hunters again, (well until Ol' BullSlayer showed up!) It was easy to know it was him because of his huge front end. But, he never seemed to get any bigger on the back end. So, knowing that I was able to watch this bull for several years I would feel confident to say that I am 100% positive it's the same bull. Even judging from the pics, I don't know how you could say otherwise. The right side is a dead giveaway for starters. Anyway, it's was fun to watch this bull grow. Congrats CS on a sweet bull!

Here's the shed from several different angles.

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Have fun with it!!

Elk
 
KTC,
How does that crow taste? Just razzing ya man!! :)

Before Elkster's post I wasn't sure if they were the same bull, but given the time differences and other evidence it seemed likely that they could be the same bull and there are definite similiarities. Elk are just like humans, everyone is individual and different. Every elk is going to grow and regress at a different pace for the most part.

Either way, nice bull cowslayer and cool pictures all around!!!
 
Until the DNA testing is done, I am with KTC and will refuse to accept that these bulls are the same.
They might be the same, but I like being on KTCs side.
 
Thanks bowhunt. I am not doubting Elkster's story, I just cannot see it still? Surely he knows what he is talking about, but I could never look at the live and dead pictures and think they were one of the same as the thread asked at first.

I personally have never had any luck following an animal during one year let alone 5? Crow is not real good, but I can eat it.;-)
 
Elkster,

I have a question. Based on what you are saying, and what seems to be an intimate relationship with this certain bull, how old do you think he is based on the shed, watching, filming, and seeing the year he was killed? Does 10 match up, or is their some discrepency with the DWR aging process and your knowledge of him?
 
LOL... It's all in good fun guys.. Like I said I'm certain it's the same bull.

KTC,
This was just one of several bulls that I have watched and filmed over the years. He was just one we always looked for every year, "The Browtine Bull". This particular group of elk were just easy to watch because we could set up a spotting scope on our back pourch and watch him. I agree, it's tough to tell from the pics. They were taken from a SWEET 1.3 mega pixel camera! ;-) So they're pretty rough. I would say that the age is in line with what I have seen. The shed is from when he was just a rag horn. Maybe 3 years old or so. And that would line up perfectly with the age results to when CS killed him. We have yet to see a bull turn up that looks like him at all. He's been one of a kind so far in our area!

The area he was in is pretty limited. And if any of you have ever watched a bull or a buck from year to year, you know when you see them. There's just no question about it.

KTC it's ok to eat crow every now and again! LMAO! I do it quite often!

Elk
 
LOL... It's all in good fun guys.. Like I said I'm certain it's the same bull.

KTC,
This was just one of several bulls that I have watched and filmed over the years. He was just one we always looked for every year, "The Browtine Bull". This particular group of elk were just easy to watch because we could set up a spotting scope on our back pourch and watch him. I agree, it's tough to tell from the pics. They were taken from a SWEET 1.3 mega pixel camera! ;-) So they're pretty rough. I would say that the age is in line with what I have seen. The shed is from when he was just a rag horn. Maybe 3 years old or so. And that would line up perfectly with the age results to when CS killed him. We have yet to see a bull turn up that looks like him at all. He's been one of a kind so far in our area!

The area he was in is pretty limited. And if any of you have ever watched a bull or a buck from year to year, you know when you see them. There's just no question about it.

KTC it's ok to eat crow every now and again! LMAO! I do it quite often!

Elk
 
LOL... It's all in good fun guys.. Like I said I'm certain it's the same bull.

KTC,
This was just one of several bulls that I have watched and filmed over the years. He was just one we always looked for every year, "The Browtine Bull". This particular group of elk were just easy to watch because we could set up a spotting scope on our back pourch and watch him. I agree, it's tough to tell from the pics. They were taken from a SWEET 1.3 mega pixel camera! ;-) So they're pretty rough. I would say that the age is in line with what I have seen. The shed is from when he was just a rag horn. Maybe 3 years old or so. And that would line up perfectly with the age results to when CS killed him. We have yet to see a bull turn up that looks like him at all. He's been one of a kind so far in our area!

The area he was in is pretty limited. And if any of you have ever watched a bull or a buck from year to year, you know when you see them. There's just no question about it.

KTC it's ok to eat crow every now and again! LMAO! I do it quite often!

Elk
 
Hey Chris, this is Stefan. Thanks again for making the trip up to Logan and making my day with some new optics. I am excited to get in the hills and put them to good use.
I have Paul to thank for saving me some cash.
Oh, and by the way, I do think it is the same bull.
I hope to see you around.
 
Jack_Sparrow,

It was great to meet you today. I hope you enjoy them. Good luck this fall and stay in touch.

As for the bull... I personally think he is the same one too. I appreciate elkster sharing the pictures with me. It's kind of fun to see/hear the history of a decade + old bull... that's my oppinion... may be right and maybe wrong. Until we do the DNA testing on that shed, we'll never know.

CS

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