landowner tags: Research them!

[txhunter58]

I am sorry the previous post on this subject had to be removed, although I see the reason it had to be. YOU CAN NOT TALK BAD ABOUT SOMEONE BY NAME. It is a good rule and should be adhered to.

I just want to encourage all people interested in buying a Colorado landowner tag to DO YOUR HOMEWORK. Ask questions here and on other websites. Also, you can visit the following site in the Colorado DOW website that tell you how many tags were available and how many people then applied: http://wildlife.state.co.us/huntrecap/
I suggest that you check out any areas you are interested at the above link. Then you can make an informed decision on whether the tag is wortht the price.

PLEASE, PLEASE do not talk about any person or company that may happen to sell these tags or this post will be deleted too, as it should be.

Bottom line: Buyer beware!

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

 

[manny15]

Good point, thanks........

 

[DeerKing]

David
I had the post removed. There was a lot of negative speculation and I didn't want it to continue. I was going to post something on preference points and landowner tags goods/bads but your message is good and to the point, thanks.

 

[chambero]

I did not realize that you could buy landowner tags that were also good for public land. Could someone please explain this type of tag. I'm not remotely interested in one, but just didn't realize it existed and wonder why someone would want one if they didn't also have access to private land or at least difficult to access to public land. If I'm going to pay the money, I'd want to go ahead and hunt private land.

 

[COSA]

I don't understand how a Landowner can sell landowner tags in Colorado where you can't hunt on his property. I'm all for Landowner tags as long as they are for hunting on the Landowner's Land. I do not see the justificatioon for a Landowner to sell a tag and the purchaser gets to hunt public land in a great unit with everyone that waited there turn. They should be called Private Party Auction Tags.

 

[txhunter58]

Several years ago, the only landowner tags you could get were ones that were PLO (private land only) tags meaning that you could only hunt on the property they were issued to. Recently, they decided to give landowners tags that they could give or sell to people that were good unitwide (private or public). Now the landowner can sell you one of these tags and tell you that you can't hunt on their property.

I can see why they did it: incentive to landowners to keep providing wildlife habitat instead of selling out to developers.

I would rather they just kept landowners tags PLO. Just my opinion. It just doesn't see fair that someone with enough money can buy a tag to hunt public land that I would have to wait 5-15 years to draw.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

 

[Founder]

In many places, the deer and elk winter on private ground. Elk and deer also eat much of the same feed as the ranchers sheep and cattle. In theory, the ranchers land may actually support less livestock when deer and elk also use the land. If no incentive was offered to the landowner, they might just ask for depredation tags to eliminate the deer and elk on their land.
The theory is that landowner vouchers compensate landowners. "In theory" is the key words. In some cases landowners may have no deer winter, or even live, on their land, in other cases, landowners are being compensated fairly.

I suppose you could compare to; If your neighbors dog was hungry and came into your yard and ate your dogs food everyday, at some point you would probably either build a fence around your yard or ask your neighbor to compensate you for the food their dog eats.

Same thing really. We, as the public, are asking the ranchers to except the deer onto their land during the winter. That way, there are more deer for us to hunt in the fall.

It may in some case deter landowners from selling to developers, but that's a rare case. Development dollars far exceed what a landowner can get from a couple vouchers.

In Colorado, landowners are supposed to allow some access to hunting their land, but I don't know how often that is the case. The law is loose, more something they just wrote (to please the public) rather than something they really meant.

15% of tags in every unit are allocated to landowners. Whether that percentage is fair or not is debatable. Some units are comprised mostly of private land, where others have very little.
IMO, it should be based on the ratio of public to private land, but that could be far more difficult to manage.

IMO, landowners should be compensated. If landowners have something to gain by having a healthy, strong deer or elk herd, they're going to be far more willing to tolerate and herd of elk getting into their bails of hay in the winter.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com

 

[sneakem]

Colorado also offers game damage antlerless hunts for wintering herds. Many of the landowners in my area are getting Private land vouchers as well as game damage permits. Which means they are selling the vouchers for money and people get to hunt the public land as most land owners where I'm from wont let you hunt their lands as they're supposed to. when the animals are eating their haystacks in the winter they let people come on their property for game damage hunts which the division alots more tags for. I thought that was the justification behind the landowner vouchers but apparrently not the case. I think you should only be able to manage the herds as they cause destruction to be fair to everyone. Should a guy get landowner tags if there is no game causing property damage? my opinion, there needs to be more regulation, but that won't happen until us average joe's do something about it. I guarantee yoiu that the division and private land owners aren't complaining and they aren't going to change until someone does.

 

[whitystalker]

I believe the compensation that the landowners recieve, for providing stable wildlife habitat, in the form of landowner vouchers is great. The problem I have, is that the landowner sells this tag to an individual, and that person is able to sell it to whom ever they want at any price they want. It can be sold as many times as wanted until someone turns the voucher in for a tag. The only person that should be able to sell that tag for a profit is the owner of the land.

 

[cabinfever]

These guys that sell undersubscribed tags are nothing short of fradulent. Sadly its not illegal, because the person is actually delivering a product (at 4+ times the actual value). I personally think its ok to expose them and think its the right thing to do. If, I can walk into a store and shoptlift $100 worth of mechandise without getting caught, it still doesn't make it right.
As far as reselling the tags multiple times, thats capitolism. Thats America. I got no problem with it at all. Landowners need to be reimbursed for there losses. Consequently, if Americas private landowners aren't happy, we would wind up with a lot of dead animals in hay fields.

Mike

 

[HighSierraFirearms]

What about outfitter tags, just because a guy has some for sale does not mean there good. The other problem you get with outfitter tags is, the area may be good but the oufitter may be a new guy in over his head.

The bottom line, its your hard earned $$ so look before you leap.

HighSierraFirearms