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bobcatbess
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WE ARE HUNTING ELK ALREADY???
3RDS LOOK KINDA WEAK!!!
DON'T KNOW IF I'D OF SHOT THAT BULL!!!
HE-HE...!!!
NICE!!!
THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!
THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!
3RDS LOOK KINDA WEAK!!!
DON'T KNOW IF I'D OF SHOT THAT BULL!!!
HE-HE...!!!
NICE!!!
THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!
THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!
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balz
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What a stud, I guess I would hunt early too if given the chance but I am not a velvet fan at all so maybe I would have waited a couple more weeks. Hard to say if given the chance I guess its now or never sometimes.
He is awesome have we heard of any green scores getting gossiped around?
Jordan
He is awesome have we heard of any green scores getting gossiped around?
Jordan
AZStickman
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Gross is supposed to be 420. It was taken on the super raffle tag from last year and the hunter (Clark Guy) had until 7-31-08 to tag out..... Terry
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LAST EDITED ON Jul-24-08 AT 12:47PM (MST)[p]It's a dream bull. Congrats Clark!
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"This years raffle tag holder is probably pissed."
Why would he be pissed? Everybody knows there are bulls of that caliber throughout AZ....... Terry
Why would he be pissed? Everybody knows there are bulls of that caliber throughout AZ....... Terry
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Congratulations Clark! What a bull. You did great for your once in a lifetime tag. I am sure looking forward to reading the story and seeing more pics. Awesome.
LAST EDITED ON Jul-27-08 AT 02:58PM (MST)[p]You know after awhile you just get tired of people getting jealous about the whole scenario of the auction/raffle hunters. I understand some guides and hunters don't do things with fair chase tactics in mind and personally I don't agree with it but I am only accountable for myself. People cheat, steal and lie in every aspect of life but the rest of us don't have too!
What I hate is there are many other guides and hunters out there that do it the right way but some how, we as fellow hunters associate all of these people in the same class and that is just not fair. We have the right to free speech in this country but unless you know the facts, you best just go on about your business. I believe these tags are a good thing, in the over all scheme of things but that is just my opinion. Hopefully, we as hunters can get past judgement and jealousy issues and united to preserve what WE ALL LOVE TO DO!
Great bull Clark! I am jealous but I am definetly not angry...
Later!
You can only control your thoughts and feelings.
What I hate is there are many other guides and hunters out there that do it the right way but some how, we as fellow hunters associate all of these people in the same class and that is just not fair. We have the right to free speech in this country but unless you know the facts, you best just go on about your business. I believe these tags are a good thing, in the over all scheme of things but that is just my opinion. Hopefully, we as hunters can get past judgement and jealousy issues and united to preserve what WE ALL LOVE TO DO!
Great bull Clark! I am jealous but I am definetly not angry...
Later!
You can only control your thoughts and feelings.
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Clark
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Thanks for the comments. Had a great year, wish everyone could get a tag like this once in their life.
Regards,
Clark
Regards,
Clark
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Khunter
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Amazing bull. UNit 9 or unit 8?
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>Elk hunting in July. Ridiculous.
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>UTROY
>Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
Congratulate the man on a once in a lifetime bull.
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>UTROY
>Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
Congratulate the man on a once in a lifetime bull.
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wyoelk
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Congratulations!!!! Let the jealousy go in one ear and out the other.
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whats the difference in hunting a bull in July or in Sept in the RUT, in his most weakest moment, the moment he has waited for ALL year.....think about how unfair it is to that elk...a FULL year.....or depending on how old he is Whole LIFE to be the breeder bull....think about that.....CONGRATS ON A AWESOME BULL....
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azdogman
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roy get a life
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MortgageMan
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LAST EDITED ON Jul-29-08 AT 06:09PM (MST)[p]Nice bull. Which weapon did he use? Is the super tag an any weapon tag? I'd keep the velvet on there too!
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littlefoot
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wow....nicely done, sir...congratulations. very well earned, me thinks...
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bubbas
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treedagain,
Personally, I am not anti-july hunting. Kinda on the fence to be honest. However, there most certainly is a big difference between hunting these guys in July and September in the rut. Do you think the Spider bull will be seen near as much as it has in Velvet? You can follow elk, deer all summer long with time and dedication. This all changes when they go hard horned, even with the rut. When the bulls are in velvet they are less sensitive in their senses, or rather the level it takes to spook them is higher. They are bachelored up most often and they feel more secure with the other bulls. In September, this bull would have anywhere from 5 to 15 cows with him and you would have to deal with them, during a time when they are on high alert. And just because the bulls are generalized as being stupid then, does not apply to that class of bull. Those guys are very smart and so sometimes they aren't even with their 10 cows but rather split off a cow and leave for a few days and you're left scrathing your behind. Not in July when u can start charging admission up a canyon road to go look at a monster bull eating his mid-day snack.
I was Ok with defending the hunter here cause he seems like a good person and hunter but I do not agree with rationalizing the time of year hunting just to be nice to the guy. If I were him I would have shot the bull in July if I hadn't shot my bull yet and I would have said how it was easier and not apologized for it.
Personally, I am not anti-july hunting. Kinda on the fence to be honest. However, there most certainly is a big difference between hunting these guys in July and September in the rut. Do you think the Spider bull will be seen near as much as it has in Velvet? You can follow elk, deer all summer long with time and dedication. This all changes when they go hard horned, even with the rut. When the bulls are in velvet they are less sensitive in their senses, or rather the level it takes to spook them is higher. They are bachelored up most often and they feel more secure with the other bulls. In September, this bull would have anywhere from 5 to 15 cows with him and you would have to deal with them, during a time when they are on high alert. And just because the bulls are generalized as being stupid then, does not apply to that class of bull. Those guys are very smart and so sometimes they aren't even with their 10 cows but rather split off a cow and leave for a few days and you're left scrathing your behind. Not in July when u can start charging admission up a canyon road to go look at a monster bull eating his mid-day snack.
I was Ok with defending the hunter here cause he seems like a good person and hunter but I do not agree with rationalizing the time of year hunting just to be nice to the guy. If I were him I would have shot the bull in July if I hadn't shot my bull yet and I would have said how it was easier and not apologized for it.
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>Congratulations!!!! Let the jealousy go
>in one ear and out
>the other.
Please don't excuse my disdain for hunting in July for jealousy and please don't use that as a copout to difray criticism of the deplorable fact that the state lets the highest bidder hunt when there is not other hunting pressure and the animal is not conditioned to be as wary as later on in the year. The bull is a beautiful animal and I am sure the hunter had a significant challenge. Congratulations to him for a true once-in-a-lifetime trophy, I hope my comments don't take anything away from the hunter's accomplishments.
Oh AZdog - I do have a life and it doesn't include elk hunting in July.
UTROY
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>in one ear and out
>the other.
Please don't excuse my disdain for hunting in July for jealousy and please don't use that as a copout to difray criticism of the deplorable fact that the state lets the highest bidder hunt when there is not other hunting pressure and the animal is not conditioned to be as wary as later on in the year. The bull is a beautiful animal and I am sure the hunter had a significant challenge. Congratulations to him for a true once-in-a-lifetime trophy, I hope my comments don't take anything away from the hunter's accomplishments.
Oh AZdog - I do have a life and it doesn't include elk hunting in July.
UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
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"fact that the state lets the highest bidder hunt when there is not other hunting pressure and the animal is not conditioned to be as wary as later on in the year."
The facts are that this hunter was not the highest bidder, he payed the same for a chance at that tag as I did or anybody else that bought a raffle ticket.
Congrats on a great bull!
The facts are that this hunter was not the highest bidder, he payed the same for a chance at that tag as I did or anybody else that bought a raffle ticket.
Congrats on a great bull!
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bubbas
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I am sure that person who used the quote about the highest bidder was thinking about the auction hunters when stating his dislike for the time of year they are able to hunt. SO, with that in mind, it matters not if this particular hunter is a raffle winner or auction hunter.....they don't agree with shooting elk in July.
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"Please don't excuse my disdain for hunting in July for jealousy and please don't use that as a copout to difray criticism of the deplorable fact that the state lets the highest bidder hunt when there is not other hunting pressure and the animal is not conditioned to be as wary as later on in the year. The bull is a beautiful animal and I am sure the hunter had a significant challenge. Congratulations to him for a true once-in-a-lifetime trophy, I hope my comments don't take anything away from the hunter's accomplishments."
Roy:
You have me a little confused. Could you explain how your highest bidder comment factors into a raffle tag?...... Terry
Roy:
You have me a little confused. Could you explain how your highest bidder comment factors into a raffle tag?...... Terry
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bubbas
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it is only confusing if you choose not to see what his point was. It matters not that he referred to an auction hunter vs the raffle hunter. It equates to the same. They are the exact same tags. He was not commenting on the difference of being highest bidder or raffle winner. IT DOES NOT MATTER when your point is that you do not agree with shooting the animal in July. It's just symantics and you guys are sticking on that point because I can only assume you feel the guy is being attacked and u want to defend him, but the hunter was not being attacked.
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hatrick
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If I had that tag I would love to shoot one in July. I'm not a velvet fan at all but man look at all the hunting I could do. I would rather shoot a 300 bull in July than a 400 bull the first day I was out. I'd say he got the most hunting time out of his tag...smart man- But then again I would be hunting for me and not for score.. Its all about spending the time out there...5 weeks and it gets to start again- I love the USA still the best around-Hatrick
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VERY nice,well earned,and well done sir,Congrat's!!!
No Gut's...No Story!!!
No Gut's...No Story!!!
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Clark
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"In September,
>this bull would have anywhere
>from 5 to 15 cows
>with him and you would
>have to deal with them,
>during a time when they
>are on high alert. And
>just because the bulls are
>generalized as being stupid then,
>does not apply to that
>class of bull. Those guys
>are very smart and so
>sometimes they aren't even with
>their 10 cows but rather
>split off a cow and
>leave for a few days
>and you're left scrathing your
>behind. Not in July when
>u can start charging admission
>up a canyon road to
>go look at a monster
>bull eating his mid-day snack".
>
>I won't speak for what is "normal" behavior for these elk in July vs. September but only offer some contrast to your point. I personally found it less difficult to locate and get close to the really big bulls in September.
>
My intent was to harvest a great bull with my bow. Last year was out due to shoulder surgery. This summer with bow in hand, I tried but found it too difficult to get close enough for a bow shot on the target bull, thus the use of the rifle.
During the rut, I had, on a number of occasions been within bow distance of 400 class bulls. At one point in my hunt I had stalked within 5 yards of two fighting world-class elk.
"If I were him I
>would have shot the bull
>in July if I hadn't
>shot my bull yet and
>I would have said how
>it was easier and not
>apologized for it".
This is a strange statement. You post a generalization of my hunt and seek some form of admission to the difficulty of the chase which you know no facts.
I'm not sure of the point here. I can only assume that Bubba would like a new scoring system added to Boone and Crocket on the lines of a high dive in the Olympics.
Do I get extra points for difficulty due to the rattle snakes in the brush? Good God...
>this bull would have anywhere
>from 5 to 15 cows
>with him and you would
>have to deal with them,
>during a time when they
>are on high alert. And
>just because the bulls are
>generalized as being stupid then,
>does not apply to that
>class of bull. Those guys
>are very smart and so
>sometimes they aren't even with
>their 10 cows but rather
>split off a cow and
>leave for a few days
>and you're left scrathing your
>behind. Not in July when
>u can start charging admission
>up a canyon road to
>go look at a monster
>bull eating his mid-day snack".
>
>I won't speak for what is "normal" behavior for these elk in July vs. September but only offer some contrast to your point. I personally found it less difficult to locate and get close to the really big bulls in September.
>
My intent was to harvest a great bull with my bow. Last year was out due to shoulder surgery. This summer with bow in hand, I tried but found it too difficult to get close enough for a bow shot on the target bull, thus the use of the rifle.
During the rut, I had, on a number of occasions been within bow distance of 400 class bulls. At one point in my hunt I had stalked within 5 yards of two fighting world-class elk.
"If I were him I
>would have shot the bull
>in July if I hadn't
>shot my bull yet and
>I would have said how
>it was easier and not
>apologized for it".
This is a strange statement. You post a generalization of my hunt and seek some form of admission to the difficulty of the chase which you know no facts.
I'm not sure of the point here. I can only assume that Bubba would like a new scoring system added to Boone and Crocket on the lines of a high dive in the Olympics.
Do I get extra points for difficulty due to the rattle snakes in the brush? Good God...
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UTodd
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That there is an RV of a bull...Clark. Congrats. When those rattlers get up on your leg it's best just to let em finish.
-Cousin Eddie
-Cousin Eddie
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bubbas
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Clark,
There are some folks who feel there should be a different scoring system for auction/raffle/or conservation tags because of their different hunt parameters but i am NOT one of them. If u read my previous posts I said that u should not apologize for shooting it when u did as i would do the same. I also was not referring that u were any less of a hunter for doing so like many contend when hunters use the help of a guide. I am on your side, don't worry. Great bull. I actually was trying to explain how another's opinion of shooting the elk in July was wrong or easier in their eyes. If you do feel it was harder to kill your bull in July than on that point we will have to disagree on a matter of opinion. I do feel it is easier to kill a bull then. Of course, I have many close encounters with bulls during the rut (even slapped a few big bulls) but I do think that if you have one particular BIG bull located in the summer it will be easier to kill. Just need time and eventually it will happen because the patterns are more predictable and eventually predictability and time spent in field will equate to opportunity to kill him. Just a difference of opinion is all. Congrats
There are some folks who feel there should be a different scoring system for auction/raffle/or conservation tags because of their different hunt parameters but i am NOT one of them. If u read my previous posts I said that u should not apologize for shooting it when u did as i would do the same. I also was not referring that u were any less of a hunter for doing so like many contend when hunters use the help of a guide. I am on your side, don't worry. Great bull. I actually was trying to explain how another's opinion of shooting the elk in July was wrong or easier in their eyes. If you do feel it was harder to kill your bull in July than on that point we will have to disagree on a matter of opinion. I do feel it is easier to kill a bull then. Of course, I have many close encounters with bulls during the rut (even slapped a few big bulls) but I do think that if you have one particular BIG bull located in the summer it will be easier to kill. Just need time and eventually it will happen because the patterns are more predictable and eventually predictability and time spent in field will equate to opportunity to kill him. Just a difference of opinion is all. Congrats
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bubbas
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Just another point why many feel it is easier. Aside from the animals behavior, is the fact that they have not been hunted yet and are therefore less spooky. If u look at the auction/raffle bulls killed the last few years (since starting the hunts in August especially, which is only 2-3 years) they have been killed in velvet or just having lost their velvet and WELL before the mid September hunts have started. This is no coincidence. The hunters and more importantly the guides know that once the velvet strips, the rut starts, and the other hunters come in....all bets are off! There is no denying this. The proof is in the pudding. Again, I truly am not responding in these posts to try and diminish you're experience. I think u shot an awesome bull and I am happy for you...sounds like you deserve it. Again I would have done the exact same thing.
I am just trying to play devil's advocate as to why some guys feel that these tags should at the very least be started after they are hard-horned and many feel that the hunt dates should be the same as the other hunts, or at least fall within the first and last hunt dates.
I am just trying to play devil's advocate as to why some guys feel that these tags should at the very least be started after they are hard-horned and many feel that the hunt dates should be the same as the other hunts, or at least fall within the first and last hunt dates.
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bullmania
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Awesome bull congratulations....................
Well desrved i am sure it is a memory you will never forget
Bullmania
Well desrved i am sure it is a memory you will never forget
Bullmania
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270longshot
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If you guys don't know it is considered unethical to hunt with either the auction tag or the raffle tag during the archery hunts. That is why all these raffle and auction tags are shot usually before archery or in velvet in the summer.
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>Roy:
>You have me a little confused.
>Could you explain how your
>highest bidder comment factors into
>a raffle tag?...... Terry
OHHH I see! It is a RAFFLE tag! Yeah, that makes ALL the difference then. My bad. I totally apologize.
Look - I have nothing against this bull or the hunter - Congrats Clark on a great bull and a lucky draw. Nor do I really have all that much against the raffe or governor's tags for that matter either. I don't always believe the ends necesarily justify the means but I can live with it I guess. What really bothers me is the fact the state allows these super tags to be hunted in July when no one else is hunting. I realize that is part of the allure for the raffle and auction tags and why the states are able to generate so much money from them but to me it is ridiculous.
UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
>You have me a little confused.
>Could you explain how your
>highest bidder comment factors into
>a raffle tag?...... Terry
OHHH I see! It is a RAFFLE tag! Yeah, that makes ALL the difference then. My bad. I totally apologize.
Look - I have nothing against this bull or the hunter - Congrats Clark on a great bull and a lucky draw. Nor do I really have all that much against the raffe or governor's tags for that matter either. I don't always believe the ends necesarily justify the means but I can live with it I guess. What really bothers me is the fact the state allows these super tags to be hunted in July when no one else is hunting. I realize that is part of the allure for the raffle and auction tags and why the states are able to generate so much money from them but to me it is ridiculous.
UTROY
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bubbas
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That is valid point but only half the truth. They would hunt during archery hunt if that was the earliest they could start...bet money on it. U think they would wait until the beginning of October when a lot of the better bulls are all busted up...NO WAY
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Congrats Clark, on a once in a life time, awesome bull!!!!
I think killing a world class bull like that would be harder in July than in Sept/Oct when the bull is in rut and spending all his time fighting, bugleing, mateing and not just trying to survive another day by himself. I know I spent $500.00 trying to get that tag and I would have killed a bull like that on my mama's birthday if thats what it took.....Again congrats!
Congrats Clark, on a once in a life time, awesome bull!!!!
I think killing a world class bull like that would be harder in July than in Sept/Oct when the bull is in rut and spending all his time fighting, bugleing, mateing and not just trying to survive another day by himself. I know I spent $500.00 trying to get that tag and I would have killed a bull like that on my mama's birthday if thats what it took.....Again congrats!
