Some trash

[boneaddict]

I was driving down the road when I caught a glimpse of this out of the corner of my eye. It looked like two deer heads from the road. I thought holy moly. I turned around and pulled in to snap a couple of photos. They were sitting ont he top of a truck that was rolled and totalled. Out for the dogs to chew on I guess. The one looked like a dandy.

 

[polarbear]

Didnt happen to be on the Colville rez? eh?

Eric

 

[hornaddiction]

Looks like some good trash to me!


Horn
www.trophiesonthewall.com

 

[boneaddict]

Yep, downtown Keller. I was headed south from Republic. The only place in the world where there are more vehicles in the yard, than in the driveway, and some of them have antlers on them.

 

[theridge]

NIce photo. All I can see is a couple 4x4's. For whatever reason I can't see any trash points.
Did this place have a huge satellite dish, barking dogs, cord of punky firewood, a butt load of discarded vehicles, and a 16foot long trailer on the property? I don't know exactly where it is but you can bet a redneck lives on the premises.

 

[IDkTm]

The first thing that came to my mind was I bet its on a rez. Why bother to shoot bucks if you have such little respect for them? The local rez here one of the residents has a nice 5 point elk rack sitting on top of a truck on the side of the highway rotting away. The rack was in full velvet when placed there, so probably shot sometime in July or August, way before any real hunter could be out. The same dump has two or three elk hides strung out in the yard and on other cars rotting away also. Nice to see the respect for the animals.

 

[polarbear]

Damn, how did I know? Hahaaaa.. There are a couple of guys in Keller that love to taunt the passing hunters with heads laying around on their rigs or roof tops. I am hoping to head over to Republic to hunt sheds in a couple of weeks. I am sure that those heads will still be there.

Eric

 

[kingfish]

There's that "lack of respect" thing again...IDIOTS!!

 

[ridgerunner]

Man that chaps my hide, what a waste.

 

[Hornseeker]

The one is definitely a keeper...for me anyhow! He sure wouldn't be sitting on top of the totaled truck in my yard, well, I guess I wouldn't have totalled truck in my yard.....

Ya ought to stop and offer them $40 for the bunch.

 

[Hawkk33]

LAST EDITED ON Jan-31-05 AT 01:41PM (MST)[p]Instead of assuming it was on a rez why not ask Boneaddiction where exactly those heads were seen. NVM I saw where it was.

As for the guy on the rez who had that 5 point in velvet you assumed was shot in July or August neither you nor I can tell with 100% surety what the situation was. So why not ask him and then inform us about where he got it and why.

FYI... not all natives hunt or conduct themself in that manner do not stereotype or pigeonhole the rest of us based on the actions of those who lack respect.

 

[need2hunt]

All in agreement with Hawkk33 say "I."


Need2hunt: "I"

 

[IDkTm]

I know not everyone is like that, some (most?) aren't but the rez near me tribal hunting regs are non existant, shoot what you want whenever you want. Private property seems to not really matter, if theres too mcuh to get across the fence just take what you can. The 5 point in velvet I saw was definitely killed by the person in July or august, I know enough to know that. Do you agree this picture is a little disheartning and shows a serious lack of respect?

 

[eelgrass]

My first thought was it looks like they are going for some type of European mount where the entire skull is left intact. Let nature take it's course and make it look as natural as possible? Maybe they can't afford to have it done professionally.
Looks like all the edible meat has been taken. I don't see anything disrespectful in the least.

Steve

 

[polarbear]

LAST EDITED ON Jan-31-05 AT 08:21PM (MST)[p]


The reason that I asked if it was on the rez is because it fits the m.o. of a couple of Collville members that live in Keller. The whole situation is all too familiar. Also, knowing that B.A. travels to that neck of the woods would make it an even more logical guess. Also, if it had been in the front yard of anyone but a tribal member, the property owner would have been payed a visit from a WDFW officer and they would not be on "display" in such a distasteful manner.
Oh, theplatoon, your post was almost coherent. It seems to me that you are the proverbial "pot calling the kettle black". Just because that you dont know what you are talking about, dont assume that others dont either.
He was right about some of our local tribes and their lack of hunting ethics and control. Facts are facts, those bucks were on a tribal reservation on the roof of a tribal members wrecked rig. How does that make the guy a racist or pointing fingers at a particular group? Pull your head out of your a$$ and think before you speak for a change!

Eric

 

[Colville]

The platoon. Sights like these ARE NOT UNCOMMON. Fish, deer, elk. In this state seeing game abused is not a strange feature on the reservation.

There are no regs. Natives can do whatever they please and flaunt it. It's not judgementalism, it's reality. That reality is being shoved down your throat on the roof of that crapmobile parked on or adjacent to the Colville reservation.

The loud voice you raised... is valueless. Untill the indian rez's take a game management and enforcement of their own that limits and polices how game is slaugtered, sorry, "hunted"... they'll be getting this exact type of lambaste.

Wish every such picture was posted on the net, it's long overdue to bust wide open this "iron eyes" (look it up) view of reservations. It's beyond sad and it's beneath any man, anywhere, anytime.

 

[golfguy0912]

theplatoon, the truth hurts, wear a helmet.

 

[IDkTm]

Thanks for the blanket statements about me, someone you know absolutely nothing about. Do you know what race I am based upon what I write on a message board? I personally find the tribe that lives near me absolutely fascinating, the culture the native people had on this land before we came was amazing, sadly its pretty much a memory now. Judgemental is something I am once in a while, but in this case I don't think I'm being too bad ;-). I've had lots of friends who were tribal members and had no problem with them because of race but they did like to rub there tribal hunting "rights" in peoples faces including mine. A disgrace to the human race, hmmm, I hope not. I'm trying to do everything I personally can to make things better for somebody at least, which has including getting a biology degree and pursuing a masters in wildlife resources.

 

[WyoAces]

I don't see what is so disrespectful about this. Do you guys think it is disrespectful because the hide is still on? Could it be possible that the guy is planning on boiling them but had to clean out his gargage? Is there a time limit on how long you have to get the hide off? Damn that man for taking proper care of the meat, but not getting the hide off the skull within 24 hours..damn him. Wait...i must assume that the disrespect shown by placing the heads on top of a wrecked rig could only mean he threw the meat in the back ally only minutes before...damn him.

 

[cope]

This is just what I have to see all the time living near a rez. I'm not saying that all natives abuse their so called rights like this, but from what I have seen, the majority does. Sometimes I think they do it just to piss everyone else off.

 

[BCBOY]

WYA,
I totally agree with ya. How is throwing a rack outside disrespectful? Some guys don't care about racks. Doesn't make them bad hunters. Hell, you can't eat the horns. Many, many much bigger racks than those, are thrown outside in the woodshed up here in Canada. Heck, I've seen many thrown in the dumpster too. If ya kill a buck does that mean ya have to fill up your house to overflowing with bone and never can get rid of the rack or else you are some kind of Slobhunter? I tell ya, you good ol' boys sure like to whine and complain alot don't ya?

 

[kingfish]

Amazing...What is right about throwing a bunch of heads on top of a wrecked truck???. It's just a reflection of what kind of person this is that does this type of thing..Show a little class and put the heads in a place where they aren't grossing people out. If I'm a good ole boy so be it...It's alot better then agreeing with this type of behavior..

 

[grizzmoose]

This whole race thing is getting out of control. If you smell curry in a meal, its probably Indian food. If you hear norteno music coming out of an 80's Chevy, its probably a Mexican driver. If you hear someone dropping the F bomb every other word, its probably someone from the East coast, and if you see 9 little bikes in someones front yard with pictures drawn on their driveway using sidewalk chalk, they are probably Mormon.

So what if you make assumptions. Everyone does it. Most of the time you are right, sometimes you are wrong. If you are wrong, apologize and move on. The deer probably are on a rez. If you are wrong, apologize. But, I bet you arent. Regardless of whether its on a rez, or on some redneck's yard, its inappropriate. The respect for an animal thing has been done in here a thousand times. Most people dont want to see dead, rotting roadkill on the side of the road. Thats why people come pick it up. If you want your quarry to rot, let it rot in your back yard.

-Travis

 

[theplatoon]

eric,

never said he was a racist you idiot..i said he was judgemental moron putting a cetain race down...and guess what? who the hell do you think let the rez make their own rules...you guessed it the idiots that put them there...also how about you take a cruise along any road in any town and look on top of sheds or buildings and what do you find on them? is that disrespectful because the person doens't have a hiding plase to let the hide wear off? does that make the whole town or rez unethical?...so the whole point of me putting in my two cents is rez aren't the only ones with ethic problems..look at all the poaching going on out of the rez and all we do is a little slap on the hand..so you pull your head out of your ass and take a look around you!

 

[Hawkk33]

ID- I would never show such a lack of respect. For that matter I don't see how one person could with no conscience take that many bucks in a single season, let alone leave them out on the top of a truck.

 

[bittersweetmuleymeat]

Meanwhile, up here in beautiful Big Sky Country, the weather has been spectacular. In the low 50s near every day and from what I can see the Mule Deer have wintered quite well. Hows the weather in everyone elses neck of the woods?

 

[Ropinfool]

Lack of respect is shooting an animal just for the horns and giving the meat away or not eating it. As long as the meat was not wasted, who cares about the horns or the rest. Not everybody is a horn hunter. I personally would not leave rotting heads in my front yard, but it's his yard I guess.

 

[Hawkk33]

Snow is coming off the ground. Looking forward to shed hunting next week

 

[bittersweetmuleymeat]

Thanks, Im REEEEEEAAAAALLLLLLY glad to here that!

 

[IDkTm]

Hawk, I would never lump you in with the people I'm talking of. I've seen and heard enough from you on these forums to know that you're very ethical when it comes to your hunting and the way you feel about it. I hope I didn't offend you in anyway.

 

[Chef]

Here we are bashing away at the poor guy when all along...

IT WAS HIS WIFE THAT TOLD HIM TO GET THEM DARN HEADS OUT OF THE HOUSE!!!

LOL

Chef
"I Love Animals...They're Delicious!"

 

[Cannon]

good one CHEF
Maybe this spring she will throw them away when he isn't lookin, and then blame it on his poor dog!!
CANNON

 

[boneaddict]

Now Chef that was funny, but now you are going to get some women on here chewing us out for stereotyping. ; )

I didn't mean to open any can of worms, but this is a nasty subject in my neck of the woods, and unfortunately all over by what I have seen in my travels.

THE TRUTH:
It is on the indian reservation, and he isn't using it to make some european mounts. He had a nice shiras moose rack on his woodpile by the satellite dish for two years before his dogs chewed it to bits. We also know nothing of the meat. I have seen more decapitated deer and elk, including a monster bull in this neck of the woods than anywhere else in the world. I have also found many deer with horns still on that were shot and left. I have reported many of these to the tribal cops, even names and photographs of some of their biggest poachers. Remember I used to live there. and all I have gotten is harrassment from being there trying to do some photography. "I would just assume that you whites were never allowed here" from a game official after I turned around and pulled him from a mud bog. He kept me for two hours while he went through the rule book checking every rule to see if he could get me. He gave me my only violation. Camping on the rez without a permit. A law which I did not know I was breaking, which I volunteered to admit I was doing. The point is, sadly that most of these stereotypes are true as heck, and the thought did cross my mind to offer the dude some beer money for the antlers, but I was afraid I'd end up with a bullet in my head, or a leg and both arms chewed off. Two rezervation events that happened this year by the way, so not stereotyping there either. Personally, if I could shoot 7 bucks a piece for every member of my family, I'd be one busy dude.

 

[polarbear]

theplatoon
Once again you prove yourself to be the retarded one. Just wondering, if you put down a certain race and stereotype them arent you concidered a racist? Think about it. That is exactly what you are accusing him of. I singled out a couple of Keller residents who have a long history of this kind of behavior, NOT THE ENTIRE F-ING TRIBE! Not all tribal members are poaching a-holes and I have never said anything to that effect.
Once again, before you go calling others "idiots" or "morons", you should look in that shiny peice of glass hanging on the bathroom wall of your trailer and get a good gander at what is a true idiot.

Eric

 

[theplatoon]

eric,

once again my point is getting lost in your pea sized judmental brain...i'm saying everybody and their dog lets a head rot..so why put down a certain race when you can go ANYWHERE in the good ol' U.S.A and find the same #####. You can find the same people with no respect in any town, any where. Racist is when you HATE a certain race, i never said he hated them..judgemental is judgemental...think you understand know????

 

[need2hunt]

You can't put judge a whole reservation or it's people on the actions of a few. I've said it before "there are a few bad apples in every box." The basis of a lot of native hunters is the meat, and a lot of folks did notice that the meat looks like it has properly been taken care of. So what is the problem, it's their property? Perhaps you should have swung by the house and inquired to the person (s) yourself, you never know you may have been given a reward (the antlers)? I think the whole problem with this society is that too many people "infer" things without properly confronting and communicating w/ the people they seem to have the problem with.

 

[BOBCATBEST]

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw those pictures. I am sure I will have nightmares! The next thing you know, people will
actually start hanging deer heads in their living room.

All of you so called conservationists/ethical hunters need to lighten up!

I cannot believe ol Bessy hasn't commented on this post.

The only bobcat wondering if some of you so called ethical hunters order salad instead of steak!

-Bobcat

 

[polarbear]

theplatoon
You are not worthy of any more of my time.

Eric

 

[theplatoon]

well it was fun throwing blows with you eric and i am sure we will meet up again

 

[nbjbhunterman]

Nice Deer!


NBJB

 

[NDBadlandsbucks]

I think that if you're not going to do anything with the horns and shoot a deer just for the meat -- Why not shoot a doe, or a couple of does? Deer are overpopulated in a lot of areas, but G&F departments can't get enough of a harvest on does to meet their quotas anyway. Leave the bucks for someone who wants some horns along with the meat. Why shoot a buck just for meat, I dont care if you use the horns for knife hanles, just do something with them. I don't know if anyone else feels this way but I've got all of the bucks I've ever shot hanging up, even though some are small (very small).

Keep the Sun at Your Back and the Wind in Your Face

 

[eelgrass]

Damned savages! They should show the same respect for our deer as the white man did for their Bison!

 

[need2hunt]

Perhaps the regulations in that area do not allow for harvesting of does? I know the reservation i'm on doesn't allow it.