Oregon Gov. tag $25,000
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lostinOregon
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Boy, I'm glad someone believes in the way that Oregon manages their wildlife. I hope he has a honeyhole or something in mind for that kind of money.
Yea, I hear ya, Oregon is at a all time low for mulies right now. Which makes it really hard to justify that kind of money. So now the state being POST ACTIVE, they are proposing tag cuts FINALLY. But do you think that means cutting GOV. tags, oh no, they have 4 auction and 4 raffle deer tags. So thats 8 big bucks getting smoked every November. The bad part for me is most of them are where I live and hunt. We really don't have that kind of resource to spare these days.
The greed of the ODFW hurts all hunters and DEER!
The greed of the ODFW hurts all hunters and DEER!
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So that means that Jimmy bought one of the governors tags probabally. That is a good price for this tag. Oregon is becoming more and more of a known state. It will be interesting to see what they kill this year. Hopefully the finders fee is still out there
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finders fee was out there last fall. a guy wanted a 200 class muley, but I don't know if he scored one. Hunting rut w/ rifle is cheezy IMO !!!
The same guy has a finders fee for the past 4 seasons, Jimmy John from Illonios. What a joke, last year he diddnt get the trpe of deer he wanted but he did get one. People should be ashamed to patronize the type of hunting he executes. What I mean, is that last year in a 22hour period he flew to the burns airport killed his buck and was back home. This is very unethical and is not what the state should be encouraging. I had a Oregon hunters association big wig tell me on sat. night that he diddn't care who bought the tag, just as long as they got top dollar. Sounds like a x ODFW gooru.
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Anybody that associates with a finders fee for some rich lazy wannabe hunter should be ashamed of himself. I wouldnt lead that guy to a doe in my garden.
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LAST EDITED ON Mar-10-05 AT 09:20AM (MST)[p]Lead him to Keiger Gorge and throw, oops I mean help him off the edge.
Koyote- What does the OHA do with that money? line their pockets or spend it on the ground ? Who the hell let this guy know what eastern oregon held as far as bucks?
Koyote- What does the OHA do with that money? line their pockets or spend it on the ground ? Who the hell let this guy know what eastern oregon held as far as bucks?
The money actually goes to the ODFW, but selling this tag at a OHA banquets keeps people attending their banquets. The OHA does do alot of good in Oregon and I occasionally volunteer on projects. Im just not a big fan of the promotion of killing November bucks when we don't have them to spare. And the unethecial way SOME of the people doing this.
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OK, I tried to stay out of this one since it looks like people have some strong opinions, some if them seem a little off to me though. I'm just a normal working guy that owns my business so I can't take 4 weeks off to scout, hunt 5 different states- many of which have late season muledeer hunts to kill monster bucks like everyone else seems to do on this website. So this year, I buy some of the raffle tickets for one of the raffle muledeer hunts. Yes, if I won one of these I would probably hunt late season, how is that different than say Colorado that has late hunt or even Idaho that has late draw hunts. Does anyone actually think that maybe killing 3 or 4 extra bucks a year in Oregon does anything to the screwed up mess we already have in this state? How is this any different than the a-hole outfitter that was bragging on this website about drawing a Juniper tag, I think a Trout Creek tag, and a couple of others that are all once in a lifetime tag for most residents- and then selling these to non-residentts - thats what I think is BS. Anyway, if I do win a tag, I'll hunt on my own on public land without setting on a 4 wheeler like most, and I certainly don't need no ***** guide to show me around and if I do shoot a nice buck I really don't think it will change the deer herd in the state of Oregon. Just my opinion.
You sound like most of the hunters on this site including myself. We work our ass off all year to make enough to take time off in the Fall. But when you live in Eastern Oregon for as long as I have, with mule deer my #1 passion and you slowly see our deer dissapear it's disturbing. So now I try to hunt out of state to try to come close to what we had here in Oregon.
Im PO'ed about why it got screwed up GREED! All the little guys suffer and the big guys still get to hunt in a state where the mule deer are all but gone in areas. And I don't see it changing anytime soon.
Mabye alittle jealously, I wish I had that kinda cash to toss around. But let's respect the game and do it ethically.
And yes I do feel that killing 8 big breeding bucks could be an issue. It's not like they are spread out statewide. Most of them are in a 2 or 3 county area where I live.
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Im PO'ed about why it got screwed up GREED! All the little guys suffer and the big guys still get to hunt in a state where the mule deer are all but gone in areas. And I don't see it changing anytime soon.
Mabye alittle jealously, I wish I had that kinda cash to toss around. But let's respect the game and do it ethically.
And yes I do feel that killing 8 big breeding bucks could be an issue. It's not like they are spread out statewide. Most of them are in a 2 or 3 county area where I live.
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So just a quik qeustion for you guys. So if by some chance you won the lottery you would not buy a bunch of land in eastern Oregon and hunt it for your self and familey? Also would you not go on other hunts in diffrent states?? So you are saying if you won the lottetry for millions you wouldn't buy your self a hunt in Sonora or on the strip???? If you would what is the diffrence from these guys to you? Yeah I my self hate how I have to wait 3-4 years to hunt my favorite eastern Oregon unit. And your dam right if I was rich I would buy the tags my self an hunt in November. I just feel the bad part of it is the way of these richs guys hunt. But not all of the richs people hunt like this. But what can you do? They were blessed with money I can't nock them for this. Oh an who's to say those 8 breeding bucks don't leave there genes before they are shot??? You don't know. The unit I hunted this last year did give over 3000 tags and gives out the most tags in the state I only saw maybe 10 people hunting in the same area and only two guys went into the same drainedg as me and my buddy. The rest of the time we didn't see anyone in other spots.So alot of where you go determins who and how many you see...
Hope I made since and I wasn't trying to cause problems It's just my opion..
Oh and if any one wants to talk eastern Oregon hunting Dop me a line I love it!!!!!
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Hope I made since and I wasn't trying to cause problems It's just my opion..
Oh and if any one wants to talk eastern Oregon hunting Dop me a line I love it!!!!!
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Nelly, when I said GREED in my last post I wasn't refering to the rich guys buying the tags. I was refering to the ODFW, I think you know what Im talking about because you live in Oregon. Last month the ODFW held a community meeting,like they do every year. They are proposing a 2000 deer tag cut in this area, I wish they would have done this 5 years ago. But they sure don't want to cut that Gov. tag income. I just think if they to be fair they should not just cut the little guys tags but also Gov.tags as well. And to say they will cut 200 tags in this area is huge because as you know there are not that many tags over here. Hows that for being POST active, I hope it works.
And your correct that alot of these rich guys are good ethecial hunters that put in alot of time. I know alot of these guys, I've guided on and off for 15 years. Just so you know, for the past 4 seasons there has been the same guy with a Gov. tag and he hunts the same way every year. He puts the word out to all the guides to find the biggest buck, for a finders fee. When they do he comes flying in and kills it. Sorry, this just makes my blood boil!
And your correct that alot of these rich guys are good ethecial hunters that put in alot of time. I know alot of these guys, I've guided on and off for 15 years. Just so you know, for the past 4 seasons there has been the same guy with a Gov. tag and he hunts the same way every year. He puts the word out to all the guides to find the biggest buck, for a finders fee. When they do he comes flying in and kills it. Sorry, this just makes my blood boil!
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See Jeff this is where the good old boy philosophy comes in. YOu think that the 150k plus is nothing just a drop i nthe pan when in all acuality it is a large chunk of chage 4.50 x Hell go with 30000 applicants and you still do not get to the amount generated about the governors tag. Boy I sure do not see you screaming about the Antelope, Goat Tag, Elk Tag, or the sheep tag. YOu add all of those auctions up and wow you can come up with a pretty damn tall number. The Acess and Habitiat program is doing its job generating funds. the money generated from all of these hunts oregon would have to sell close to 100000 big game applicants.
If you look at it from the point of an economist or a business man. WHich big game hunting is becoming Big Business then the state is doing right. It is called the Utilitarian method of Economics. If you do not know what it means then you need to read up on it. Because most states run there DFG's on this approach. Raffle tags same way they generate the same amount of cash just about each year but there is a Kicker they are not all Statewide tags so there is not as much room to roam. IF it goes to the deer and lobbying with the legislation then hell yeah i am for it as long as it helps out the Hunters and Big Game.
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If you look at it from the point of an economist or a business man. WHich big game hunting is becoming Big Business then the state is doing right. It is called the Utilitarian method of Economics. If you do not know what it means then you need to read up on it. Because most states run there DFG's on this approach. Raffle tags same way they generate the same amount of cash just about each year but there is a Kicker they are not all Statewide tags so there is not as much room to roam. IF it goes to the deer and lobbying with the legislation then hell yeah i am for it as long as it helps out the Hunters and Big Game.
Dave
I don't know if you think you know me but ya, I think $150,000 is alot. not sure if I understand what you were trying to say there.
And I do care about the elk,antelope and goats and if they are taken ethically. That is not what this post is about, It's about DEER. They are the ones that are hurting in this state. The elk are above carrying capacity in most areas, antelope are on the up and goats obviously are o.k. or they wouldnt have started hunting them again.
Dave I've met you and it's obvious you are just another guy trying to make money off hunting. That's not bad and it explains your economic twist on things. I just want to see people doing the RIGHT THING (odfw), and hunters to get our mule deer back to what it can be.
I too have made money off hunting and still do from time to time, but the money is just a bonus. Most of what I've done I would have done for free! My passion is with these mule deer!
And I do care about the elk,antelope and goats and if they are taken ethically. That is not what this post is about, It's about DEER. They are the ones that are hurting in this state. The elk are above carrying capacity in most areas, antelope are on the up and goats obviously are o.k. or they wouldnt have started hunting them again.
Dave I've met you and it's obvious you are just another guy trying to make money off hunting. That's not bad and it explains your economic twist on things. I just want to see people doing the RIGHT THING (odfw), and hunters to get our mule deer back to what it can be.
I too have made money off hunting and still do from time to time, but the money is just a bonus. Most of what I've done I would have done for free! My passion is with these mule deer!
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Jeff I sit with you on the deer are the most important thing not about the money. Yeah i am going to make a little money on some tags and yeah i do it because i love it. I am not out to make millions, I am doing it because I love the outdoors. I make more money guiding flyfishing and Waterfowl then the deer. But deer are my true passion. They need to do some things with these tags i fully support that but these guy spending 25k on a deer tag or more are contributing to the lands. What needs to be done in my opinion for Oregon is the cats need to be thinned hopefully that bill in the legislation will get passed and we can have a few weeks to chase them with dogs. Number 2 about 2/3 of the juniper trees in the Desert need to be thinned out they are just eating at the natural springs and number 3 tags need to be cut back in alot of units. Cut all units by 50% for 2 years and see what the population does. But if the 450k or so that is brought in with this program would be fantastic if it is going to the habitat and restoration of our deer herds to pre 92/93 numbers all would be great but the cats are the big problem and until they are reined in we are gonna be on an uphill battle.
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Hey guys, been watching all the posts on this site for sometime now but couldn't help but register and vent a little on all the access and habitat program tags. I am in no way against the purchasing of these tags if you have the means, hell I would too. It's the manner in which these folks seem to do it. Most of these folks rarely hunt on there own, and always use a guide. No disrespect towards guides they are some of the hardest working people around and the good ones know their stuff, just think their is some personal satisfaction in scouting a area and taking a animals that in your eyes is a trophy. Since I'm a bighorn sheep nut this one really makes me laugh. The John Day River is not far from my home and some huge California Bighorns have been taken in the last few years. This dude is out of Chicago, and has John Barker out of Peck Idaho look for three months in the John Day River Canyon to find this "Trophy Ram", so he flies in the day before the hunt and shoots a beautiful 178 BC California the next day, and this guy is looked upon as the elite hunters in the sheep community, give me a break. Anyone of us should be able to shoot a animal at 100 yards with a rest, plus he didn't even find the sheep himself. Sorry to ramble but hunting turning into a rich game sours my stomach. Last quick question to you all, do you ever wonder what they do with all the meat from the game they shoot, I'm sure they eat it themselves. Thanks for listening.
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You know CentralOre I was wondering that exact same thing while watching Primo's the Truth 8. Say if Will Primo has 5-6 elk hunts in a given year that he himself is the hunter and he scores 100%. What does he do with all that elk meat? (If an elk can feed a family of 3-4 over a winter)
Takes some and donates the rest ?
Takes some and donates the rest ?
