SE Wyoming Muley Survey

ICMDEER

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I thought I would share the highlights of the results from the small survey I sent to folks here in southeast Wyoming. Here's a "cut and paste" for the highlights. If anyone wants details, let me know and I will be glad to provide them.

Also, please note that the ranchers, landowners, and die-hard hunters all felt there are WAY FEWER deer at present than there were 10 or 20 years ago. Game and Fish contends that there are twice as many deer as there were 20 years ago in some areas and more deer now in all areas. It's funny how the people that live on the land and the hunters rarely agree with Game and Fish about populations and numbers.

Sorry this is long, but here it goes...........

56 surveys were mailed to residents of Platte and Goshen Counties

Surveys were sent to individuals known to be passionate mule deer hunters, own hunting land or host hunters

38 surveys were returned for a response rate of 68 percent

Returned surveys represented 328,500 acres in the two counties


Some key responses are as follows:

?^ Not a single respondent wanted fewer deer
?^ 95% of respondents wanted to see more deer, and 66% of respondents would like to see at least twice as many deer
?^ 92% of respondents said that deer numbers are down compared to 10 years ago, and 47% said there are less than half as many deer as 10 years ago.
?^ 97% of respondents said deer numbers are less than 20 years ago and 62% said there are less than half as many deer as 20 years ago.
?^ 95% of respondents said that they do not feel that doe harvest is a sound biological practice at the present time in southeast Wyoming.
?^ 88% of respondents said they feel that limited quota licenses would provide for better management of mule deer in southeast Wyoming.
?^ 84% of respondents said they would support the establishment of limited quota license areas for mule deer in southeast Wyoming.

When asked what problems or limiting factors have contributed to the decline of mule deer numbers in southeast Wyoming, predators stood out as the most often recognized problem. The second most important limiting factor was identified as hunting pressure. (In this question, the lowest numbers reflect the highest priority or most significant issue affecting mule deer numbers.) The ranking of answers is as follows:

2.22 ?V predators
3.47 - hunting pressure
3.57 ?V habitat quality
4.22 ?V habitat quantity
4.44 ?V competition form other wildlife such as whitetails or elk
4.69 ?V grazing management

When asked to rate the current management system for mule deer in southeast Wyoming as prescribed by the Wyoming Game and Fish, with scores of:

1= terrible and 10 = perfect

The Game and Fish received a score of 3.57 out of a possible 10 for their current management system for mule deer in southeast Wyoming.

Numerous comments and notes of support for more mule deer and better management were identified. Some key items were:

?^ One respondent asked that seasons be closed until deer populations recover
?^ Many expressed frustration with current management and a lack of responses from Game and Fish at season setting meetings and in other communication when concerns for mule deer are expressed.
?^ Several sent unsolicited funds to support survey costs
?^ Many suggested that a similar survey be used for antelope in our area
?^ Many felt that Game and Fish will not go to a limited quota system because they are concerned more with money (and income from license sales) than with the wildlife resource itself.
?^ Virtually no one could understand the reason for doe seasons given the current low population of mule deer in our area, and numerous comments were received which questioned that management method.
 
That's interesting. Very cool that you've done so much in order to gather this information. I hope the G&F listen closely to what you have gathered and that something postive comes from all your efforts. I'd be interested in seeing more details if you get a minute and can send them my way.

Keep up the good work!

NvrEnuf
 
Great work ICMDEER. I hope you sent a copy to every G&F employee! No one knows the animals better than the people that see them (or don't see them) everyday, and you polled those exact people.
Good job and thanks for the report!

Lien2
 
I should also have mentioned that I had a private meeting with our area biologist after I got the survey results. He's a real nice guy and listened well, but provided their data that "showed" the recent (but disagreed upon)deer population increases. But he did cancel doe/fawn seasons in two areas. I'm not sure if the survey was the sole reason, but I'm confident it was a factor in eliminating those doe/fawn seasons.

Thanks for the responses.
 
> Nice work Iceman.
>Very interesting, I wish the state G+f employies were as comited to the Mule deers welfare as you are.
>I'am no biologist, but I belive preadtors are having a major impact.
>Keep up the good work.
Foxbow.
 
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Interesting survey...but weak in scope.

You send a survey to people who profit from killing deer and trophy hunters, what results were you looking for? I've always thought the idea of surveys was to FIND results, not survey a small group of people with the same agenda, knowing before-hand what the results will be. You werent looking to find anything out...only promote what you already believe.

Your survey does not represent a very broad cross-section of hunters in SE Wyoming, and because of that, really lacks in credibility. Any biologist with more than two firing brain cells would see right through the data you provided.

No disrespect intended, but theres more to game management than satisfying landowners, outfitters, and trophy hunters.
 
Hold the bus. Who wants fewer deer? Survey result is no surprize. More deer. Survey result no surprize. Limited quota- ramifications: less opportunity, crowding in other units, decreased quality somewhere else. Game and Fish is an easy target in a forum like this. Did anyone actually check with the game manager of that area and at least listen to a rebuttal? Rather than complain, go visit with the person in charge and be part of the solution rather than just another coffee shop biologist bashing an outfit that is managing a resource in an ever more complex environment.
 
I totally appreciate your survey and your personal efforts.Statistics are a wierd thing and can surely be tweeked to show one side of an issue.Using a date like twenty years ago sounds fair at first.Dont let f&g use this date in court or youll be proven wrong.How many of you hunted wyo 20 years ago (1985)?Remember the devastating winter of 83-84?Eastern Idaho and at least Western wyo were totally hammered!Back in those times non residents could get tags just about every year.Starting with the 84 season animal counts were unbelievably changed and it took lots of cut back on tags to nonres (not to residents though)to protect what was left.Idaho overlooked the obvious and would not do away with their doe season.They had a policy to appease hunters whereby, If you did not fill your buck tag by end of season(clear at end of Oct then,)you could hang around for a five day closure and then all unfilled tags could be used for a 5 day doe season!I was ashamed to see nonresidents willing to stay an extra week in order to not go home empty.Our group of 5 had hunted very hard and seen a total of about 12 does in 6 days.To think that people would be so greedy as to be willing to shoot the last doe(future fawns for new deer herd)in order to get their moneys worth made us sick.We had a petition in Montpelier which was to be sent to F&G hoping to emergency close that extended season.It didnt happen!Sorry to go on so much but back to statistics, Compare our deer numbers to Twenty TWO years ago and you will have an entirely different outcome since we had a decent deer herd then.I had hunted Wyo every year since 1971 and up until and including 1983 I could always hold out til the last day and be able to shoot a 4x4 (20-24)after lunch in time to pack out and cool meat overnight for trip home to Norcal.From that time on I have chosen to eat well over half my tags in order to build a herd wherever I am able to draw a tag.Now a days seeing even one 4x4 per day can be a thrill for many hunters.
 
I appreciate all of your comments. No, this wasn't intended to represent everyone. That would have been impossible. But it did represent the majority of the folks that CONTROL the hunting access in this area, and that is critical. This area is almost 90% private property, so Game and Fish needs to work with landowners/managers. Although I do not have the specifics in front of me, the questions were worded so that if the person responding had not been here 10 or 20 years ago, they would not have answered. The winter of 83/84 was tough in western Wyoming, but not bad here on the plains. In fact, the moisture likely did more good than harm.

Anyhow, I do some surveys professionally and this one was not to those standards. I still think the results are interesting. If you want to ##### and complain, you can pretty much find fault anywhere. Thanks for your thoughts.
 

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