Let's change the Utah hunt dates

[dryflyelk]

Let's get this done guys. Utah has the worst hunt dates of any western state. On years like this one when the rut it late, it even makes it harder on bow hunters to find the elk. There has to be a way that is fair to everyone and that balances this thing out in a way that is beneficial for the elk herd and for our state.

I haven't ever tried to really get in and get my hands dirty, but I'd like to learn what I need to do and I bet we can get enough people together to make a difference.

Any ideas? How can we get these dates changed?

 

[Silentstalker]

It starts with a well thought out and heavily supported proposal that is presented before the RAC's to the DWR to look over. Then you take your proposal to ALL the RAC's and bring a ton of people there to support it. The you take it to the Wildlife Board mtg and after the RAC's give their recommendation, you get up and support it again! It is very best to get an Org. like UBA, BOU, RMEF, MDF, etc to help you present it and support it. It sounds easier than it is. There are alot of people right now that would get behind it though! I would be 1!

 

[nebo12000]

Write down your proposal, send it to your RAC & DWR and then present it at your RAC meeting in November. Things can change if your organized and get the support from other hunters.

 

[muzz]

Leave the rifle hunt where its at. I would say run the bow hunt a week longer but thats about it. When would you want the hunts to start? I know plenty of people that bow hunt elk that call them in the same week the hunt opens. I dont do it so I dont know for sure but they bring them home. Its hunting not shopping.

 

[ktc]

LAST EDITED ON Oct-07-08 AT 01:00PM (MST)[p]Another bowhunters are screwed thread. Yippee.

The good bowhunters I know usually kill between the 1st and 10th. The elk are in the pre-rut stage whick is hands down the best time to call bulls.

Guys like you complain bowhunters never kill anything so hand out more tags. You want more tags, the easiest draw odds, then you want more time and hand picked dates. I know the deal and how it works. Get an inch and go for the mile.

Late rut? They were screaming early in September and shut down. They always shut down. They did between the 12th thru the 17th in 06. Are those the dates you want?

How about lots of bow tags, easier odds, the entire month of September except those days with more than a half moon and tack those on after October 1st? Everyone else can piss off with one tag per weapon and unit on 2 days the bow hunters choose for them? That make you happy?

For the serious and non-complaining bow hunters who get it done and have no excuses, I would like to see the bow hunt close on a set date like the 18th or 20th of September. This would allow for certain rut dates without the number of Saturdays affecting the hunt.

One more thing; to get more tags you say bow hunters never kill much. When you come home empty you are in shock. Why does that concern you or bother you when the main argument is archers never kill a thing and have no impact? Talk about speaking from both sides of the mouth.

 

[Silentstalker]

Well said Ty,

I would like to see a week taken off the front end of the hunt and extend the bowhunt to the 17th?? There is no real reason why it could not be done. However, you are spot on when you say bowhunters get easier draws. That is strictly due to the low harvest. It should not be a shock that the rates on the LE spike units are 36% or so for mature bulls. I really don't see a problem with extending it a few days. I would actually like to see the hunt go Bowhunt, Muzzleloader, then Rifle. Maybe run it from sept 1-15 archery, 15-25 muzzleloader, and Sept. 25-Oct 10 rifle? It is really all just talk though. The division likes it where it is at and so do the strong org's in this state. I happen to like the pre rut. I guess we take what we apply for and have the hunt of a lifetime!

 

[proutdoors]

>For the serious and non-complaining bow
>hunters who get it done
>and have no excuses, I
>would like to see the
>bow hunt close on a
>set date like the 18th
>or 20th of September. This
>would allow for certain rut
>dates without the number of
>Saturdays affecting the hunt.

While I am not sure I fit into your definition, I LOVE this idea. I think the 17th or 18th of September should be the close of archery EVERY year. The date could be adjusted between the two so that the rifle/muzzy hunts don't open on a Sunday (against state law). Have the archery LE, and any-bull elk hunts start the last Saturday in August and go until September 17th/18th. Leave the archery deer, and archery spike/antlerless hunts as they now stand. That will reduce the pressure on the weekends in August as well.

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.

 

[thebroker]

I agree that the archery should go a week longer maybe two . why not. I also believe it should start a week or two later primarily to let the weather cool down so less meet is wasted . i do not believe muzzle loader should change at all and if so , I would like to see Utah mirror Montana and do away with muzzle loader elk all together , muzzle loading has gotten so fine tuned its like a single shot rifle so keep it late if at all i believe let the bulls alone in November let them rest and eat up after the rut .. as far as rifle although I love to hunt them in the rut ,I would like to see it moved a week later and overlap the deer hunt so a guy could hunt both elk and deer at the same time especialy with gas prices and the economy why not combine two hunts into one ..

 

[MEEW]

My vote would be archery sept 1-14 rifle 15-21 and muzzle 22-29. That is ample time for anyone to be in the hills. Maximize your hunt by taking the time and being consistant. If you really hunt hard, and consistant nobody needs more time than that. Give the elk a chance too. If it really is a once in a lifetime hunt then it is worth taking time off work to make it just that. Kill a monster.....or take a week with the fam and make it a fam hunt and still kill a hell of a bull.

 

[utfireman]

Meew, that idea sucks. Let's have the most sucessfull season smack in the middle of the rut. There is alot of thinking involved there.

 

[proutdoors]

To help keep 'quality' high while also maximizing opportunity the rifle hunt SHOULD come AFTER the muzzle loader season. So, have archery the last weekend of August to September 17th, muzzy September 20-28, rifle September 29- October 6th. Split tag allotments to MAXIMIZE opportunity while keeping 'quality' high.

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.

 

[frkybugleboy]

I new PRO would chime in on this...I like the logic behind his thinking. I have your back on those dates.

 

[blazingsaddle]

If the rifle was held Sept 29- Oct 6, they too can have some rut as well. I don't think the harvest % would drop too much for the rifle hunt if this was the case though.
As these dates are put, everyone has a bit more of the pie, IMO.
I like the idea of ending the bowhunt on the 17 or 18th.

I wish all the people here could blend thier ideas together more, rather than have the mantality of "if its not my idea, it stinks"

If we (MM) could all see eye to eye to some agreeance level, we would make one hell of an organization. How many members are there?

 

[bragabit]

I also like the idea of starting and stopping hunts on dates not days of the week. Nevada just started this they started all of their rifle deer hunts on a Sunday. My vote goes Archery Sept.1-15
Muzzleloader Sept 16-25
Rifle Oct 1-10
Lets give the bulls a day or two to do their job in the rut without being shot at.

 

[elknut]

I'm with PRO, plus I'll attend any RAC and support you.

 

[Deerlove]

Pro whats the status on the AR proposal??

 

[elkantlers]

I agree with KTC. You bow hunters already have it pretty darn good. But as is with human nature you want MORE. I call bull crap. You want better dates, you get less days to hunt. How about we just flip flop the rifle and archery dates. I bet the rifle hunters would love to have almost a month to hunt.

You archers need to quit whining, Its getting old.

 

[bobcatbess]

JUDAS PRIEST!!!

JUDAS FRICKEN PRIEST!!!

EVER NOTICE ktc???

THESE FEATHER FLIPPIN FOOLS WANT EVERYFRICKENTHANG TO THEIR ADVANTAGE!!!

THE WEATHER CHANGES!!!

AND THE ARCHERY BOYS WANNA CHANGE THE SEASON DATES!!!

WAFJ!!!

HOW BOUT IT ktc???

LETS HOLLAR,SCREAM & WINE & SEE IF WE CAN BETTER A PISSCUTTER HUNT!!!

JUDAS PRIEST!!!

THERES POSTS LIKE THIS EVERYFRICKEN YEAR!!!

THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[wileywapati]

LAST EDITED ON Oct-07-08 AT 08:01PM (MST) by nochawk (moderator)[p] WOW It's the CAT himself how ya been?? Did you get the e mail I shot over about my daughter a few weeks back.

We got good news and I'll be back to kicking your ___ on the
elk debate sooner rather than later.

CARRY ON!!!

 

[ktc]

It was interesting this year. Many of the good archers here got bulls. The ones that are good and did not connect had a good time with no excuses. Then we got the bunch who complain to high heaven how everything went wrong except themselves. I would tend to think the individual had more to do with success or no success than the dates.

For those who do not complain I say open up hunts on dates not a certain weekend. To those good archers I would like to see them know for a fact their hunt goes to the 17th or so.

To the complainers, you will find another excuse if you had 365 days to hunt. Then you will complain why you do not get tags every year. You will blame the quality. It is like a dog chasing his tail with what is wrong and nothing is ever right. Good thing ratios are 1 to 1 as people exagerrate. Can you imagine how crappy the hunt would have been with lots less bulls? To those who came home empty and complained, it is pretty sad there are way too many bulls, and you still came back empty. Take up rifle hunting, it is much easier.

 

[bobcatbess]

LAST EDITED ON Oct-07-08 AT 08:04PM (MST) by nochawk (moderator)[p]HEY ww!!!

I'VE HAD MAJOR PUTER TROUBLE & ENDED UP LOSING ALL INFO!!!

PleaseDear FORWARDED AN E-MAIL MY WAY ABOUT A SICK GIRL & I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO THIS LITTLE GIRL WAS???

I HOPE YOUR DAUGHTER IS DOING WELL & GOD BLESS wiley!!!

TELL HER THE cat SAYS HI!!!

HOPE ALL GOES WELL!!!

SORRY wiley I DIDN'T GET YOUR E-MAIL???

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NOW BACK TO BUSINESS!!!

YOU'VE NEVER & YOU'LL NEVER UPON EVER KICK MY --- ON AN ELK DEBATE!!!

YOU & Pro HAVE TRIED FOR YEARS BUT THE OLE cats MADE MANY PREDICTIONS & WAS RIGHT ON EVERYONE OF THEM!!!

BY THE WAY???

REMEMBER WHEN I SAID THE MANAGEMENT HUNTS WOULDN'T WORK???

WELL THEY DIDN'T!!!

I'M STILL WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSE ON THAT???

YOU BEEN PISSCUTTIN THIS YEAR wiley???

HOPE THAT LITTLE GIRL IS DOING WELL!!!

THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[wileywapati]

LAST EDITED ON Oct-07-08 AT 08:05PM (MST) by nochawk (moderator)[p] BESSY, yep my kid and as a parent once you hear the "C" word
not a lot else matters. Like I said it has been a long summer but things are definately looking better.


I told your silly --- the mismanagement hunts were a steaming pile once they were proposed. You ain't gonna like what is headed down the pike as far as what is coming with deer and elk at all.

Stay tuned

CARRY ON!!!

 

[PleaseDear]

LAST EDITED ON Oct-07-08 AT 07:52PM (MST)[p]The whole '28 days--28 days' for bowhunt dates was a scam...the 'extra' days came when bulls still had velvet....

So instead of being stuck with those extra '5 early days'---I didn't waste the vacation time nor $$$ on chasing elk in Utard with my bow.

I did chase bow buck in Utard and I did hunt two other states during 'real bow hunt dates' on bow elk tags.

I was into elk most every morning and evening hunts in those 2 other states......full moon--heat--late & still nursing calves ---the whole gig....

We are stuck with the '28 days--28 days'---of bowhunting elk dates...for a long time.

It is called hunting season not shooting season the last time I checked into Utard hunting season dates.


Leave it be--General Elk hunts-- and get something done about our deer herds.

Robb

 

[bobcatbess]

LAST EDITED ON Oct-07-08 AT 08:08PM (MST) by nochawk (moderator)[p]wiley!!!

THE HEALTH OF YOUR LITTLE GIRL IS WAY MORE IMPORTANT THAN ME & YOU BUNTING HEADS!!!

AGAIN,I HOPE SHE'S DOING OK???

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I ALREADY DON'T LIKE WHATS HAPPENING AND HAVEN'T LIKED WHATS BEEN DONE WITH DEER & ELK HERDS FOR OVER 30 YEARS!!!

WE'VE TRIED ALL THE STUPID $HIT EVER THOUGHT OF wiley!!!

DOES IT TAKE OVER 30 YEARS TO FINALLY DO SOMETHING SMART WITH THE HERDS???

I MIGHT BE SILLY ---!!!

BUT I'M NO DUMB ---!!!

I'LL STAY TUNED!!!



THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[bobcatbess]

ALL YOU STICK FLIPPERS!!!

READ POST # 22!!!



THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[elknut]

dryflyelk,

I think you have a better chance to change the Dedicated Hunter program to include elk than win a battle of the rifle hunters.

The DWR would be flooded with complaints from rifle hunters waiting to draw permits if you take them out of the rut. As it stands ? no change really very few complaints to the DWR.

If you want more opportunity get the general elk hunts into the Dedicated Hunter program, bump up the price to increase DWR revenue and cover the elk tags.

 

[proutdoors]

"I agree with KTC. You bow hunters already have it pretty darn good. But as is with human nature you want MORE. I call bull crap. You want better dates, you get less days to hunt. How about we just flip flop the rifle and archery dates. I bet the rifle hunters would love to have almost a month to hunt.

You archers need to quit whining, Its getting old."

You won't hear/read me complain about my LE archery hunt and how it turned out, which included tag soup!

Let's talk about who has it "pretty darn good" for a minute. Rifle hunters experience 90% success rates with an average of 4 days in the field. Last year archers experienced 34% with an average of 12+ days in the field. I dare say the success rates for archers will be less than 30% for 2008. How does that compute into we have the better deal? That said, I am in favor of season date changes for the benefit of the elk herd MORE than for the benefit of hunters.

elknut, I believe it is VERY reasonable to expect/demand/see LE elk season dates changed THIS year. With the ability to change the rifle deer opener, there is no better time to do so. What rifle hunter can/will object to the season dates I and others have proposed? They would still get to hunt in the rut which would keep success rates over 80% with less than a week spent in the field per hunter. Mr rifle hunter, how do you object to that?

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.

 

[CNEDEER]

Arizona, Colorado and especially Wyoming seem to handle the extended (read later) archery dates and all seem to be happy. Arizona's hunts opened the 15 of Sept, Wyoming the entire month of September and Colorado, depending on the unit right in the heart of the rut. Oh yeah I forgot to mention New Mexico that has three archery seasons with the latter two being in the heart of the rut. How do these states seem to keep everyone happy??

Then again, once you are shooting something in excess of 300 yards while you are drinking a beer next to your wheeler, talking on your ham radio to "the boys" at camp, archery really does seem like the easier way to hunt. $ days in the field average compared to 12 is a figure we should all pay attention to.

Let's face it. Archery isn't for everyone and everyone isn't for toting a gun. To each their own. The rifle guys have been waiting a long time to draw a choice hunt in the rut while us stick flingers have enjoyed easier to draw tags. Seems like wyoming has the best solution. Hunt both hunts with your tag. September with a bow and October with a rifle.

 

[bobcatbess]

OH GAWD!!!

HERE WE GO WITH Rro's NUMBERS AGAIN!!!

WELL Pro!!!

THE SEASONS IN PLACE ARE WHAT THE BOWHUNTERS WANTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO!!!

NOW THE WEATHER & HUNTING PRESSURE PUSHES THE RUT LATER & LATER & THE OPPORTUNISTS START SCREAMING!!!

WHAT'YA GONNA DO IF YOU GET THE HUNT DATES CHANGED (TO YOUR LIKING!!!) AND THE WEATHER GOES BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS 15 YEARS AGO???

SCREAM,SCREAM,SCREAM!!!

IF WE'RE CHANGING HUNT DATES WE ARE ALSO CUTTING BACK ON THE LENGTH OF THE HUNT!!!



THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[proutdoors]

>THE SEASONS IN PLACE ARE WHAT
>THE BOWHUNTERS WANTED SEVERAL YEARS
>AGO!!!
>
>NOW THE WEATHER & HUNTING PRESSURE
>PUSHES THE RUT LATER &
>LATER & THE OPPORTUNISTS START
>SCREAMING!!!

I ain't screaming, who has the caps locked on?

The season dates were GIVEN to archers, they were NOT picked by archers. That was in 2004, the end of the archery hunt ended when that year smart guy? Hint, it was LONG after September 12th! As it stands now, next year the archery hunt will end on September 11th, there isn't an archer on the planet that "wanted" that!

I was correct, no REASONABLE rifle hunter could object to having the archery season end on September 17th or 18th, and you did, PROVING you are NOT reasonable by any stretch of the imagination.

PRO


Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.

 

[elknut]

PRO,

It's not just about the rut; your dates take the rifle boys out of the first crack of the largest bulls. Bow hunters don't kill the largest bulls on the hill the rifle boys do. Then the ML hunters get what's remaining. Move the ML in front and more of the big bulls will drop sooner, I'd guess a few rifle hunters won't like that plan.

It would be nice to see hunters go over the pro's / con's and not attack each other just to make a point.

 

[Silentstalker]

Hey Guy's,

Bowhunters did not pick the dates they have now. I think there is a very fine line between what dates anyone "should" get. I believe that it will not hurt the rifle "any weapon" hunt any to move it a few days back. The success rate will still hold in the 80% rate. That is pretty darn good. I would gladly trade 4-5 days off the front end of the archery elk hunt to get 4-5 days further into sept. I really like ending or starting hunts on a set day like the 17th for example.

Bobcat, I know what you are saying, and you have a valid concern, but why is it not okay to try and improve the Bowhunters odds of killing their Once in a lifetime bull? Do you not see that if and when the bohunters and muzzleloaders have a better hunt, your odds of drawing a tag will go up?

Bow tags are easier to draw. Period! But, it is a hell of a lot tougher hunt. Especially with everyone else out there hunting and scouting for their upcoming hunts. Meanwhile the any weapon hunt gets the mtn free of any harassment from other hunters, just scouters for the muzzy hunt. It is time for a minor tweak of the season dates in my opinion and it is not going to hurt the any weapon hunt to do so.

Am I overlooking something? Please tell me how it hurts the other seasons, If it truly does I may change my mind, Tell me a valid point and I will give it some thought. Have a great day guy's.

Ty, good luck on your muley hunt!

Chad

 

[ktc]

Did you just call me REASONABLE pro? Wow! I am going to print this post and frame it!;-)

 

[Dobie07]

LAST EDITED ON Oct-08-08 AT 10:59AM (MST)[p]man it seems like you archers kinda get a raw deal in Utah.
here's the link to AZ's regs:
http://www.azgfd.gov/pdfs/h_f/regulations/2008/5.pdf
we hunt from September 12th thru the 25th for archery,
and Sept 26th thru Oct 2nd for Rifle.

Makes alot more sense to me that the weapon that has the least amount of success should have the primo time to hunt, whereas the weapon with much higher success still gets a great time to hunt, but a shorter season. It has worked like that for years with no problems. If you rifle guys in Utah have such a problem with the archers having a better time to hunt, and better draw odds, heres a thought, why dont hunt with a bow?

I personally feel it is a much greater reward and sense of accomplishment to harvest an animal with a bow anyway. Plus you gotta be closer to the action, the sounds and then stink, how is that not better?

 

[dryflyelk]

Wowsers. I come back a day or two later and it looks like I've kicked a bee's nest.

For the first time in a long time, it looks like Pro and I are in agreement on something. I just look at many of our neighboring states and it seems like they've got the hunt dates figured out a little better than we do here in Utah. I hunted Colorado for elk last year and Idaho this year, both archery. Idaho offers the whole month of September, with the other hunts coming after that. I'm sure the muzzies and the rifle hunters still take a majority of the animals there. It just seems logical to me (although I am admittedly biased) that the hunts with lower percentages and success rates should get more time and the better periods, and we could push things back a bit. Everyone would still have a fair crack, and I believe we can make it fair for everyone.

 

[bearman]

I'm not from Utah, I live in Nevada. But we hear the same thing how the elk aren't talking and so on. I have never had a problem get them to talk. I think a good portion of the people just don't know what they are doing then complain. I would think your dates are good, but don't understand why rifle before muzzle loader.

 

[ktc]

Just leave it alone and do the dates not weekends. It will fix the gripes. Cut 2 days from the rifle. It is too long and the muzz can be moved up 2 days. Then everyone but the guys who don't connect next year and complain will be happy.

Bow Sept 1-17, rifle 18-26, and muzz 27- Oct 4th. Bulls will be singing from the day the bow opens until the day the muzz ends. If they shut down for a few to several days don't get on MM and complain. No one can help you.

My only gripe with moving the rifle back too far is busted bulls. I know I can kill a big bull on Oct 4th as well as Sept 15th. Busted bulls is why I would never apply late. The only reason.

 

[huntntrail]

LAST EDITED ON Oct-08-08 AT 12:54PM (MST)[p]moving/changing the dates, regardless of personal opinion is good science and makes practical sense....opinions aside, the numbers as Pro has pointed out make sense....move it change it.

 

[Silentstalker]

Ty,

I like your dates. There is no reason why all 3 hunts would not still be great hunts and possibly the whining would stop?? Yeah right! I think the dates as mentioned would be awesome. There is no reason to hunt bulls in the velvet and I think the any weapon guy's would still kill bulls before they started breaking their antlers.

Just a side note, I spent a number of days on the Wasatch unit this year. I did not find one broken bull. That includes the muzzy hunt. My friend who also had the muzzy tag only saw 1! Unfortunately it was the largest he saw! 350 class, 6x4 after the break! I do think the breaking antlers is a valid concern but maybe not as bad as we think??

I like the ideas and discussion without the pissing contests! We have some great guy's on this site who ALL have valid points and opinions! Keep them rolling! I would love to hear them!

Chad

 

[bowhunt]

I really like KTCs dates!
I do not think it will allow for more tags, but it gives everyone a very very fair chance at having a great hunt.

 

[bobcatbess]

O.K. Pro AND ALL YOU "WANTIN MORE" STICK FLICKERS!!!

LETS SAY YOU GET THE HUNT DATES CHANGED TO YOUR LIKINGS!!!

LETS SAY TO HELL WITH THEM FIRST 2 WEEKS OF ARCHERY SEASON,THEY ARE JUNK,RIGHT???

NEXT YEAR ROLES AROUND AND HOLY GOOD GAWD A MIGHTY!!!

YOU BOYS MAKE A 75%+ KILL!!!

THEN WE GET A WEATHER TREND AND THE RUT STARTS ROLLING AROUND A LITTLE EARLIER LIKE IT USE TO!!!

WILL YOU OPPORTUNISTS PISS MOAN & WINE TO GET THE EARLIER 2 WEEKS BACK???

SURE YOU WILL!!!

YOU ALWAYS DO!!!

THIS YEAR WAS A TOUGHER YEAR I WILL ADMIT!!!

BUT THE TAIL END OF THE LE ARCHERY ELK UNIT I WAS IN THE BULLS WERE TEARIN IT UP!!!

JUST LIKE THEY HAVE FOR YEARS!!!

JUST LIKE THEY DID LAST YEAR!!!

AND JUST LIKE THEY WILL NEXT YEAR!!!

WHEN YOU GET THE "PERFECT" HUNT DATES FIGURED OUT THAT WILL SATISFY EVERYFRICKENBODY ON THIS EARTH LET ME KNOW WILL YOU???

SO TELL US Pro???

WE KNOW YOU WERE HOLDING OUT FOR THE BIG BOY!!!

WHAT SIZE OF BULLS DID YOU LET WALK???



THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[pinenut]

This is another vote to extend the archery hunt later into September and another vote for moving the rifle hunt after the muzzleloader hunt. I like late August through Sept. 20 for archery, the 21st-29th for muzzleloader and Sept. 30th-Oct 6th for rifle or something close to that.

No hunt should have a 90% plus success ratio for bulls averaging 7-9 years old, far too much opportunity is lost to support that. It makes no sense to allow us to hunt mature bulls in heavily roaded public land units in mid-September with repeating weapons accurate to 350+ yards. I also support giving out more total permits if overall harvest quantities remain stable or only increase slightly, particularly if a younger class of bulls makes up a higher percentage of the harvest.

From a selfish perspective I probably shouldn't feel this way. I certainly have nothing against rifle hunters as I myself am one. I have applied fourteen consecutive years for an early rifle hunt in Utah without success but I am getting close, this was the first year some reserved permits slipped to my point level for this particular hunt. Selfishly I would love the state to keep things exactly as they are until I draw. I also tremendously enjoy shed antler hunting and spend a dozen or more days on the premium units each spring picking up antlers. A side of me probably wouldn't feel bad at all if they stopped the hunting on these units period.

Since I took the time to post I might as well add my customary call to eliminate the conservation tag program. This is the quickest way to add hundreds of permits to the public drawing AND reduce MORE THAN 5% of the pressure on the top-end bucks and bulls. The people purchasing these permits often higher a guide, I dare say that 15-20% of the huge bulls killed each year come from these 5% of tags with the remaining 95% of permits given accounting for just 80% of big bulls killed. I also strongly disagree that the money raised from these permits has improved the habitat so much that there is more public permits today than there otherwise would have been if it had never started. Of course I cannot prove this (just like the conservation tag pushers cannot prove their statement is true), but if a couple of million dollars of habitat projects directly increased deer and/or elk numbers 5% or more it would be easy to see and therefore get another 10-20 million of general funds allocated for additional gains.

I suspect the truth is that although the projects are nice on a very local level overall the couple of million dollars makes a ridiculously small impact on a state containing nearly 55,000,000 acres of land. Additionally Utah is the only state playing this game and our big game herds are certainly not any better off than surrounding states (we do have big bulls but that is just because we don't hunt them, not because of this program).

Lastly, I think the people supporting this program are greatly underestimating the negative impacts to the hunting community as a whole caused by the program itself causing more and more people to believe that hunting is being a ?rich man?s? sport and therefore becoming disenfranchised. At a time when hunters banding together is becoming more and more important this single program is driving a wedge between significant groups of hunters that is perhaps matched only by the motor vehicle access issue.

-RPinenut

 

[bobcatbess]

F'IT!!!

LETS HUNT THESE POOR BASTARDS 25-8-385!!!

LETS HUNT EM NON-STOP!!!

YEAR-A-ROUND!!!

JUST SHOOT EM WHEN YOU SEE EM!!!



THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[proutdoors]

bessy, there will NEVER be 75% success rates statewide for LE archery elk, so let's nuke that silliness right there. Success rate for LE archery has NEVER been above 43% , while rifle has NEVER been below 87%. Tell me, how does that equate archers getting the 'perks'?

I'll go on record of saying that if archers get the last weekend of August until September 17th or 18th, while moving the rifle hunt AFTER the muzzy hunt, I won't EVER ask for season date changes again. You game?

You also have yet to hear/read where I have complained how tough the archery hunt was this year. Was it tough, yes, but it is archery season. If I wanted an 'easy' hunt I would go with a weapon that kills at 400+ yards when the animals are more vocal and the AVERAGE tag holder spend 4 days in the field and kills 90% of the time. But, to say the archery hunt (that ended on the 12th) was no different than in years when it ended on the 16th or 17th of September is beyond absurd.

I passed up bulls that made P&Y every day. I passed up a few (10-15) bulls that went in the 350-380 range. Maybe I was an idiot for doing so, but I have NO regrets. My good friend cotw missed on a 360 class bull with me kneeling beside him, I take full blame for his miss, but that is another story. Joe, a great friend from California posted pix of his 350 class bull he took. It was a hunt I will never forget and never regret!

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.

 

[GrezzeeBulls]

I didn't have time to read all the posts, but if nobody said anything about the management tags I think this would be the best time also.

SEASON DATE:
Aug 1st up until the bowhunt!! which would of been to the 15th this year.

No busted up bulls would get killed!!! I don't know about the other units, but in the SWD I seen more 6x5 and 5x5 than any other year so far this year!!! I know that the cows are half the blame with the gene they carry. But lets take the guess work out of the management bull, maybe even give a few Jr. tags

 

[Silentstalker]

Bobcat,

No one is asking for more days to hunt. Just a small adjustment. It is not an absurd request and it will NOT negatively impact the elk or the precious any weapon hunt. Tell me why it is such a problem? I respect your opinion and would like to hear why it is a bad idea. I would like to hear specific's. If they are legit, I will gladly reconsider my point of view.

You are right about not everyone being satisfied but I believe there is wiggle room to give Bowhunters slightly better dates. No harm, no foul.

So, What are your specific reasons?

 

[bobcatbess]

Pro!!!

THATS A DIFFERENCE OF 4 FRICKEN DAYS!!!

DON'T TRY & BAFFLE ME WITH YOUR BULLSSHIT!!!

THE LE UNIT I SPENT TIME IN WAS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE LAST FEW YEARS!!!

WHY IS IT YOU ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT MOVING THE RIFLE HUNT???

USE YOUR STICK FLIPPER & BE HAPPY!!!

380" BULLS & YOU PASSED Pro???

YOU'RE MORE ####ED UP THAN I THOUGHT YOU WERE!!!

I DO GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR HOLDING OUT FOR THE BIG BOY,BUT 380" Pro???



THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[bobcatbess]

SPECIFFIC REASONS FOR WHAT???

IT AIN'T ME TRYING TO GET THIS $HIT CHANGED!!!



THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[bobcatbess]

ALL I CAN FIGURE IS:::

THAT 43% COMPARED TO 90% MUST REALLY BOTHER YOU GUYS???

YOU CAN HUNT WITH A RIFLE IF YOU WANNA DRAW AN ANY WEAPON PERMIT!!!

WTF???

THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[Coyote_chaser]

4 days can make a huge difference Bess, you know that. I am not complaining about my hunt at all, ya it was tough, but I knew the dates when I applied. Obviously 4 days later into the rut would be better than 4 days earlier in the rut. If you had a choice between those dates I know you would pick the later. Everyone would. Its common sense. My only regret is that I will very likely never have a chance to hunt that unit again.

CC

Oh ya my vote is for the 17-18 of September

 

[bobcatbess]

IDENTIFY YOURSELF coyote_chaser???

"THIS IS WHAT Pro SAID AND I QUOTE"!!!

'WHY I SEEN 350"-380" BULLS EVERYDAY'

I GUESS THAT AIN'T GOOD ENOUGH HUNTING???

WTF DO YOU WANT A 500 & 4/8" BULL???

GOOD GAWD A MIGHTY!!!

YOU ####ED THE PERCENTAGE RATE OF KILLS UP FOR ARCHERY HUNTERS Pro,DO YOU REALIZE THAT???



THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[proutdoors]

>YOU ####ED THE PERCENTAGE RATE OF
>KILLS UP FOR ARCHERY HUNTERS
>Pro,DO YOU REALIZE THAT???

How do you figure, there were 5 LE archery tags in my 'little' group, only one punched his tag. Yes, I did pass up some good bulls, but the great bulls had no interest in cows/other bulls when my hunt ended. Would five more days made a difference? I don't know, and that is not the point. This is NOT about me. I do not consider myself an 'average' hunter, call that arrogant if you like.

I'll bet you steak dinner the overall success rate for LE archery will come in UNDER 30% for 2008. So, what are you worried about bessy? You scared the archers will climb all the way to 40% and the riflers will fall all the way to 80%? Oh the humanity! Why are you so SCARED to actually hunt for that trophy OIL bull? Your odds of drawing your OIL tag would improve if you saw the new season dates. Use that somewhat round think on your shoulders for a second.

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.

 

[Silentstalker]

Fair enough Bess,

I thought you had reasons for being against the ideas? It is time for a date change and I think the majority will support it if it is not too out of whack.

I have enjoyed the comments so far.

As for Pro,

He called his shot BEFORE the hunt. No shame in that. Crazy? I think so! But determined and not beyond his capabilities for sure. He has 360 and 370 bulls. No shame in not shooting a bull below your expectations.

 

[bobcatbess]

ss!!!

IF YOU'LL READ A COUPLE OF MY POSTS ON MM YOU'LL SEE WHERE I SAID I WAS PROUD OF Pro STICKING TO HIS WORD ON GOING BIG OR NOTHING!!!

Pro!!!

BUT DAMN!!!

HE SEEN 380" BULLS AND WANTS MORE???

I DON'T KNOW MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE GREEDY ENOUGH TO WANT,WANT,WANT,WANT,WANT,WANT MORE!!!

I'M CALLING BULLSHHIT ON IF YOU'D OF HAD 4 MORE DAYS THIS YEAR YOU'D OF FOUND THAT 480" BULL,TOTAL BULLSSHIT!!!

IT WAS A TOUGHER HUNT THIS YEAR & I'LL BET YOU A DOUBLE STEAK DINNER Pro THAT THERE WERE NOT NEAR AS MANY MONSTER BULLS TAKEN ON THE LE RIFLE HUNTS THIS YEAR AS LAST YEAR & I HAVE NOT A CLUE WHAT THE TRUE KILL NUMBERS ARE YET???

PUT YOUR MONEY UP Pro,THE cat LOVES A GOOD STEAK DINNER!!!

YOU KNOW???

YOU ARE ONE OF THE HARD HEADEST LITTLE BASTARDS I'VE EVER ENCOUNTERED!!!

TAKE IT AS A COMPLIMENT Pro,I'M SURE YOU WILL!!!

WTF DO YOU WANT A 500-4/8" + TYPE BULL ON THE ARCHERY HUNT OF COURSE JUST HANDED TO YOU???

I SAY LETS GIVE THE RIFLE HUNTERS 30 DAYS IN THE FIELD!!!

YOU WANNA ARGUE,WE'LL ARGUE ALL FRICKEN LIFETIME & BY THE WAY 8 OF MY LIFES ARE GONE,I ONLY GOT ONE LEFT!!!



THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[logslinger]

Pro you will never change the bobcats mind. It's called tunnel vision caused by looking through a scope for all those years.LOL.

 

[Silentstalker]

I know Bobcat,

I am just razin ya a bit! You are right that the overall success rates will be lower this year. Muzzy may be a bit higher though. It hit the rut just about right this time around.

I think Pro is crazy too, but I like the heck out of the guy! He stands by his guns and from my perspective, is usually pretty level headed about the whole process.

I still see no legit reason or any down side to moving the hunts a few days back??

 

[bragabit]

All of the dates will move back a week. If not next year then the year after. If you want that extra few days then hold on to your points and draw the tag then. I brought this up to Pro before he drew his tag and he said he didn't need the extra few days later he had his bull picked out and wanted to kill him now. In 2010 with no change in structure the archery hunt will go until the 18th. I still believe the extra days on the first of the hunt helped and very few hunters took advantage of it. I honestly think it is easier to kill a big bull on the 1st of Sept. than the 15th.

 

[Dobie07]

I must be honest i do not post very often on here, but i read the posts pretty much every day, and I gotta know, am i the only one who is sick and tired of having to read through this guys ridiculous posts in all caps? I mean really what is your deal that you cant post like a normal human being to where people do not have to read through your screaming bs posts. And I know people will be like he's a regular, and defend him, but come on, he needs to have some respect, and post like the other 99% of the users on here. Can you imagine trying to read through these threads if everyone constantly typed in caps? IT WOULD BE UTTERLY RIDICULOUS. So I say again, is anyone else tired of this crap? Oh and please do not preach to me about being a newby, and him being a long time member, I dont care. Thats not what this is about. It about having the proper etiquette and respect for your fellow MM'ers.

>
>IF YOU'LL READ A COUPLE OF
>MY POSTS ON MM YOU'LL
>SEE WHERE I SAID I
>WAS PROUD OF Pro STICKING
>TO HIS WORD ON GOING
>BIG OR NOTHING!!!
>
>Pro!!!
I must be honest i do not post very often on here, but i read the posts pretty much every day.


>BUT DAMN!!!
>
>HE SEEN 380" BULLS AND WANTS
>MORE???
>
>I DON'T KNOW MANY PEOPLE THAT
>ARE GREEDY ENOUGH TO WANT,WANT,WANT,WANT,WANT,WANT
>MORE!!!
>
>I'M CALLING BULLSHHIT ON IF YOU'D
>OF HAD 4 MORE DAYS
>THIS YEAR YOU'D OF FOUND
>THAT 480" BULL,TOTAL BULLSSHIT!!!
>
>IT WAS A TOUGHER HUNT THIS
>YEAR & I'LL BET YOU
>A DOUBLE STEAK DINNER Pro
>THAT THERE WERE NOT NEAR
>AS MANY MONSTER BULLS TAKEN
>ON THE LE RIFLE HUNTS
>THIS YEAR AS LAST YEAR
>& I HAVE NOT A
>CLUE WHAT THE TRUE KILL
>NUMBERS ARE YET???
>
>PUT YOUR MONEY UP Pro,THE cat
>LOVES A GOOD STEAK DINNER!!!
>
>
>YOU KNOW???
>
>YOU ARE ONE OF THE HARD
>HEADEST LITTLE BASTARDS I'VE EVER
>ENCOUNTERED!!!
>
>TAKE IT AS A COMPLIMENT Pro,I'M
>SURE YOU WILL!!!
>
>WTF DO YOU WANT A 500-4/8"
> + TYPE BULL ON
>THE ARCHERY HUNT OF COURSE
>JUST HANDED TO YOU???
>
>I SAY LETS GIVE THE RIFLE
>HUNTERS 30 DAYS IN THE
>FIELD!!!
>
>
>YOU WANNA ARGUE,WE'LL ARGUE ALL FRICKEN
>LIFETIME & BY THE WAY
>8 OF MY LIFES ARE
>GONE,I ONLY GOT ONE LEFT!!!
>
>
>
>THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY
>NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT
>A HELL OF A LOT
>LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS
>DESTINATION!!!
>

>
>

>
>THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT
>OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS
>IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN
>BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING
>TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[nebo12000]

The Mule Deer Committee will be making some recomendations concerning management pratices that will affect the length of season dates based on buck/doe ratios. It could affect each of the season dates for each weapon type. The changes however will affect only "management units" within each region instead of the entire region. I haven't recieved the particulars yet but on the surface it sounds very promising. Hopefully, the ideas discussed here can and will be integrated with the proposed mandates that may be adopted to help struggling "management units" within each region. If a unit is below 15 bucks/100 does that management unit will be required to go to a 5 day hunt ( rifle ). If the unit falls below 12 bucks/100 does the unit is closed or limited to a certain number of tags until the unit recovers to at least 15 bucks/100 does. I personally like the concepts, mainly because it mandates remedial action and it affects only management units within the region that are not meeting population and/or buck-doe ratio management objectives. I would assume that each weapon type season will be restricted accordingly. We are certainly not going to see increases in deer and buck numbers in depressed units if appropriate actions are not implemented.

 

[ktc]

I have no problem with my posted dates because as brag said those will be the dates in 2 years.

Keep in mind folks, the ANY WEAPON hunt is in the supposed heat of the rut. Nothing is preventing anyone with a muzz and bow from applying for those dates with the weapon of choice. So if those are the preferred dates, apply any weapon. I understand this option sucks because the odds are much better for archery.

In all honesty, the archery guys want the better dates AND the draw odds. The dates are there if they are that important.

To be fair across the board I like the opening on a date. That keeps consistency as opposed to a 7 day fluctuation. JMO

How about a Wyoming system? An elk tag is an elk tag. If you draw you hunt during the set dates with a rifle or muzz. If you want to archery hunt then go 30 days early (waive the archery tag cost). This provides all weapon types to hunt and no favoritism to dates and weapon. In fact, I like that better than the set dates. We all have the same odds and we can all choose a weapon or use all 3.

 

[Silentstalker]

Brag,

I agree with you about the early Sept. time frame. I just think it would be nicer to not have to wait for the calendar to flip. There is no real reason to not start and end the hunts on the same day. A lot of states do it with great success.

Ty,

The archery guy's will ALWAYS have the best odds. That is because it is a tough hunt, regardless of the dates. Some of the top end bowhunters can get it done, but most don't even apply for it due to the difficulty. That is okay, I accept the challenge and actually enjoy it. I just see no real damage to starting the hunt Sept. 1st-17th and going with dates not saturdays. Hunting elk in the velvet is not really anyones idea of a OIL elk hunt. Starting the hunt and ending on like the 17th is basically what we have right now 1/2 the time. All I am thinking is why not make it that way all the time?

No harm, the only legit reason I have heard against it is broken horns. That is a valid concern. I do not discount that. If it is that big of a deal, change the close date to Sept 15th?? For that matter, leave it as is if there is that much heart burn. I just don't see many negatives.

Not too long ago we had the Wyoming system and did not like it?? (I know, no one is ever happy!!)

Aren't you heading deer hunting? It must be next week? Good luck!

 

[bragabit]

LAST EDITED ON Oct-09-08 AT 02:07PM (MST)[p]SilentStalker,
I really don't have a problem with using dates I actually like the idea. Somewhere between the 15th and 17th would be great. I am not opposed to putting the rifle hunt behind the muzzleloader either.
We are so concerned about dates. Elk don't know what day of the month it is. Considering moon phase, and temp. triggering the rut. Is there as big of differance as we all think between the 12th that we had this year and the 18th that we will have in 2010. I think that most of it is in our heads.

 

[Bikes]

Hunting archery out of the rut is absurd as is a 90% rifle "shoot" in the rut. The rifle is not a hunt-it is a shoot. Archers more than pay their way. LE archers have one third the success rate of rifle,that translates to three times the tag income to DWR per bull killed in archery vs. rifle.

 

[ktc]

Bikes,

The archery hunt is in the rut. Never has not been.

I agree 90% is high success. Anyone with one eye can kill a bull with a rifle in an LE. Kill a 350+ and it is not nearly as easy. Guys like you who call it a shoot are full of chit..if you are trying for a top end bull.

Go read brags last post again Bikes. He archery hunts and he got a GREAT bull. He did just fine. ss killed two with his bow in 3 years. pro did not get one, but he passed up good bulls. Cc did not get one, but he passed up dinks going for 320+. Seems bow guys can kill a high percent but they pass the younger bulls waiting for a true trophy or go home empty. As a rifle guy I try and be fair and reasonable in my thoughts, but you have to start your chest pounding archery crap. I know guy's who did not connect with a rifle on San Juan and Dutton. I also saw very few 370+ bulls this year with a rifle. If your bone-headed non-sense is true, and it is a "shoot, where are all the elk pictures?

ss,

If a Wyoming system is used then all have the same obstacles and all have the same chance with the weapon of choice. Odds are also straight across the board. I am okay with the 1st to 17th as well. I try to be fair and objective until some guy like Bikes starts in on my methods.

 

[bobcatbess]

Bikes!!!

AS ktc HAS MENTIONED THE ARCHERY HUNT IN ITS LATER DAYS HITS THE RUT!!!

WHERE THE HELL YOU BEEN HUNTING/SCOUTING???

LAY YOU STICK FLICKER DOWN & DRAW THE ANY WEAPON PERMIT!!!

YOU CAN DAMN WELL USE YOUR STICK FLIPPER!!!

THE SEASON IS "NOT" LABLED A RIFLE ONLY HUNT,YOU CAN USE ANY DAMN WEAPON YOU WANT TO & ADD TO THE 90% KILL RATIO'S!!!

IT IS AN "ANY WEAPON" HUNT!!!

YOU DON'T LIKE THE BOW HUNT DATES FINE!!!

DRAW THE TAG THAT BEST SUITS YOUR NEEDS!!!

WHAT A BUNCH OF FRICKEN WHINERS!!!

JUDAS FRICKEN PRIEST!!!

WHAT???

NO Pro TODAY???

NO REPLIES WITH OBSURD NUMBERS???

WTF???

AND FOR doobie UP ON POST # 57,KISS MY TAIL!!!

THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[bobcatbess]

GEEZUS!!!

NOW I'M BEING ACCUSED OF NOT HAVING PROPER ETIQUETTE!!!

WTF???

I STRIVE FOR TOP QUALITY LE ELK HERDS/UNITS!!!

IN HOPES I CAN HUNT ONE OF THE LE UNITS JUST ONCE IN ONE OF MY 9 LIVES!!!

NOT EVERY TARD CAN HUNT BIG STINKY'S,REALIZE THE FACTS IN LIFE!!!

YOU CAN'T SATISFY EVERYBODY,ESPECIALLY GREEDY "WANT MORE" STICK FLIPPERS!!!

THE OPPORTUNISTS ARE FUELED BY GREED MORE & MORE BY THE YEAR/SEASON!!!

Pro SEEN SEVERAL 350"-380" BULLS DURING HIS HUNT BUT GREED SAID HE DESERVES 400"+!!!

EARLY ON Pro SAID HE DIDN'T NEED THEM EXTRA 4 DAYS OF THE HUNT BUT NOW CLAIMS IF HE'D HAD THEM THE 500" BULL MIGHTA WENT DOWN!!!

WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT Pro & OTHER STICK FLIPPERS???

Pro TURNS DOWN 380" BULLS LIKE THEY ARE PISSCUTTERS,WTF???

I GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR "GOING BIG" OR "GOING EMPTY" BUT HE MADE HIS OWN HARD HEADED DECISIONS LONG BEFORE THE HUNT STARTED!!!

LETS JUST OPEN THE WHOLE STATE UP TO YEAR AROUND HUNTING,JUST SHOOT THEM WHENEVER YOU SEE THEM,SHOOT & HUNT ANYWHERE YOU WANT TO,SHOOT AS MANY AS YOU WANT TO AND FOR GAWDS SAKE DON'T MISS SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH THE 18TH,THAT IS THE BEST TWO DAYS OF THE HUNT!!!




THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[bearman]

Seeing 380 bulls and being able to take one are two different things! I hunt with bow, muzzle loader and rifle what ever best odds to draw and or kill the biggest I can. Ktc and cat are right, it doesn't matter what the dates are people will still cry. And it is exactly what was said earlier any legal weapon means if you want to hunt later in September you can still hunt with a bow.

 

[bobcatbess]

THANKS bearman!!!

WE GOTTA GET IT THROUGH THEIR THICK SCULLS!!!

MIGHT TAKE SOME DOIN???

I WONDER WHAT THEY'D BITTCH ABOUT IF THEY WERE INCLUDED IN THAT 90% KILL ZONE???

THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[325wsm]

The rut isnt the only way to kill a bull on the archery hunt, we went 3 for 3 this year 2 utah bulls and 1 new mexico bull, with pretty much no rut, yes we had to sit a ton of long boring hours on the water holes and wallows but it worked. We would see between 3-5 bulls on a good day. I couldnt believe how many guys I saw trying to call bulls in august. Getting the archery hunt into the prime of the rut would be nice but is will make those tags alot harder to draw, just look at arizona and nevada to see how hard it is to draw a archery tag the runs through the best dates of the rut.

 

[MJRELKFREAK]

im a bow hunter by heart. but hunted with rifle as you know. i liked it back in the day when it went longer into sept. but hunting them durring the rutt with rifle i think less get killed. than would if it were bow. the noise from the cannons shuts them up except at night. if they rotated the dates for all three hunts every yr. so every 3rd yr bow hunters had it muzz gets a chance as well as rifle. i would love to hunt with a rifle in aug and sept. lol i wouldnt have been able to even knock an arrow last sat it was so cold.

 

[Silentstalker]

Ty,

You are being very level headed and I appreciate the discussion. Absurd comments get me riled too! I agree about the "wyoming way" everyone would be equal and everyone would get the same shake. Not sure the state or hunters wants to go that way?

Personally I would rather take the easy odds and whine about the dates!!!! J/K

Anyways, It may also be true that 2-3 days may not make the diiference the greedy stick flippers think?

I don't really care too much about what day is picked but really like the idea of setting a certain day and sticking with it. And yes, If you backed me in a corner, I would tell you that their is a huge difference in sept 12 and sept 17th. Much better action on average.

If the majority think it is a huge detraction from the any weapon tags, then I would back away from it possibly.

As for hunting the any weapon tag with a bow. That is a valid option but not too likely when your competition is shooting the bulls at over 400 yards. Maybe after the 1st 4 days when everyone else is done it could be awesome. The whole mountain to yourself. Definately something to consider for next time around.

Have a great night.

Chad

 

[Bikes]

KTC
If there is a bonehead, it's you. You can't see that a 90% success rate is not sporting -BS. That is a shoot and that is why most states don't have a long rifle hunt in the rut. Until you seriously archery hunt you don't have a clue how tough it is. I could have easily killed a bunch of good bulls during archery with a rifle. Many of the bulls archers claim to have passed on probably could not have been taken. It is one thing to get close an entirely different thing to get a good shot off. I got with in 15 yards of a good bull and never got a shot- a sure kill shot that is. Archers give up the tremendous advantage of the rifle and should in turn gain the right to hunt the rut not just the first couple days of early rut. Archers get the rut most every where else except for the screwy hunt dates in Utardville. Place must be run by people like KTC.

 

[bobcatbess]

HEY TOM???

OR SHOULD I CALL YOU A BONEHEAD???

YOU'RE SCREWIN WITH A FRIEND OF MINE!!!

YOU SCREW WITH HIM (ktc!!!) YOU'RE SCREWIN WITH US ALL!!!



THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[Bikes]

KTC
If there is a bonehead, it's you. You can't see that a 90% success rate is not sporting -BS. That is a shoot and that is why most states don't have a long rifle hunt in the rut. Until you seriously archery hunt you don't have a clue how tough it is. I could have easily killed a bunch of good bulls during archery with a rifle. Many of the bulls archers claim to have passed on probably could not have been taken. It is one thing to get close an entirely different thing to get a good shot off. I got with in 15 yards of a good bull and never got a shot- a sure kill shot that is. Archers give up the tremendous advantage of the rifle and should in turn gain the right to hunt the rut not just the first couple days of early rut. Archers get the rut most every where else except for the screwy hunt dates in Utardville. Place must be run by people like KTC.

 

[bobcatbess]

HEY TOM???

OR SHOULD I CALL YOU A BONEHEAD???

YOU'RE SCREWIN WITH A FRIEND OF MINE!!!

YOU SCREW WITH HIM (ktc!!!) YOU'RE SCREWIN WITH US ALL!!

THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[Bikes]

I could care less with whom is friends with whom on this forum. I respond to rude posts from any body. Just because you huff and puff anonymously behind capitol letters does not make you any big deal. I have seen very little, good, reasoned, discussions out of you. I'll match knowledge of wildlife issues with you any day and easily win. So puff away pussey cat-MEOW!

 

[bobcatbess]

EASILY WIN!!!

LMMFAO!!!

YOU'RE SKEERIN ME,PLEASE QUIT!!!

YOU MUST BE ONE SMART SOB!!!

THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[bobcatbess]

ONE MORE THING BIKES & TRIKES!!!

HOW'D YOU GET THAT DAMN SMART IN THAT FEW OF YEARS???

THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[Bikes]

Over 50 years a hunter.

 

[edgar6250]

This thread sucks!

 

[bobcatbess]

WOW!!!

SOMEBODY WITH THAT MANY YEARS BEHIND HIM RUNNING HIS MOUTH LIKE THAT!!!

I'M IMPRESSED!!!

MAYBE YOU SHOULD APPLY AT THE UDWR & FIX ALL PROBLEMS!!!

THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[bobcatbess]

WELL!!!

I JUST RECEIVED SOME INFO FROM SOMEBODY THAT MIGHT BE TRUE!!!

HE'S READ THESE POSTS!!!

AND HERE'S WHAT HE SAID!!!

AND I QUOTE:::

"350 BULLS ARE FOR CHUMPS AND INFIDELS......NOT FOR WELL TRAINED MORMON TARDS"!!!

MIGHT BE ALOT OF TRUTH IN THAT STATEMENT!!!

((( EVEN THOUGH I DIDN'T SAY IT!!! )))

ARE WE SO GREEDY THAT NOW WE LOOK AT 350" BULLS AS PISSCUTTERS???

THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[bobcatbess]

JUST SO YOU DON'T THINK I'M BEING A RACIST!!!

I AM A MORMON!!!

I AM A TARD!!!

THERE FOR I AM!!!

THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[proutdoors]

Back on topic. Once again, despite someone trying to say otherwise, I have NO regrets about how my hunt turned out, I would do it again with the same dates and the same outcome in a heartbeat!But, that has NOTHING to do with this season dates and whether a change/improvement is warranted. Can ANYONE name another state that has their archery hunt END September 11th or 12th? ANYONE??

I will ask again, why would/does anyone object to the archery season ending the same day every year, and having it end AFTER the first half of September? What justification is there to oppose it?

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.

 

[Silentstalker]

I am mormon and am also a tard. This sounds like an AA mtg.?

I do not think 350 is a pisscutter. I think it happens to be a giant bull. I also do not believe they are behind every tree! I have looked behind a lot of trees too. This thread has not really been about size, more about adjustment of dates. We could launch another scud thread about size too though! I know we all have the answers for that too!!!

 

[bobcatbess]

WELL Pro???

DID YOU EVER THINK OF DRAWING THE "ANY WEAPON" HUNT AND USING YOUR BOW???

YOU'D BE IN THAT 90% BRACKET!!!

"JUST LIKE SHOOTING FISH IN A BARRELL" AS THEY SAY!!!

I SAY WE PUT THE RIFLE HUNT BEFORE THE ARCHERY HUNT AND WE ONLY HUNT UP TO SEPTEMBER 12TH???

THAT WAY YOU'LL HAVE THE BEST TO COME!!!

HOW BOUT IT Pro???



THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[proutdoors]

If I had a rifle on my hunt I would have a B&C bull at the taxidermist right now! One more time, can you list ONE other state that has a hunt that starts in mid-August and ends in the first half of September?

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.

 

[bobcatbess]

Pro!!!

I DON'T GIVE A RATS FRICKEN ASS WHEN HUNTS IN OTHER STATES ARE!!!

YOU HERE THAT???

WE GOTTA STIR SOMETHING UP EVERY FRICKEN YEAR!!!

THIS YEAR ITS::: IF WE JUST WOULDA HAD 4 MORE DAYS!!!

WTF???

IF I DON'T TAKE A BUCK DURING RIFLE SEASON I'M GONNA SCREAM MY HEAD OFF & SWEAR IF I WOULDA HAD 4 MORE DAYS I COULDA GOT ME A BUCK!!!

SO Pro,YOU MIGHTA CONSIDERED THE "ANY WEAPON" HUNT & MADE IT 95%!!!



THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[bearman]

LAST EDITED ON Oct-09-08 AT 09:04PM (MST)[p]Pro,I live in Nevada and are dates are very comparable to yours. I think ours archery season works good. If you had a rifle you would have a B&C elk? I thought you didn't see any thing you wanted not that you were unable to get it done? Archery elk ends in Nevada Sep. 14.

 

[proutdoors]

>Pro,I live in Nevada and are
>dates are very comparable to
>yours. I think ours archery
>season works good. If you
>had a rifle you would
>have a B&C elk? I
>thought you didn't see any
>thing you wanted not that
>you were unable to get
>it done?

You may want to pay closer attention when you read things. I saw bulls I wanted, just not within BOW range.

Bobby, I also NEVER said I would have tagged out with 4 more days to hunt! You and bearman must drink the same pinesol, it has made you all delusional!

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.

 

[bobcatbess]

OH GOOD GAWD!!!

THATS 2 DAYS DIFFERENT THAN OURS!!!

SERIOUS TIME DIFFERENCE!!!

THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

 

[bearman]

First you don't need to post my words I know what I wrote. And how am I delusional? If not in bow range make them in bow range or get in bow range. Archery hunting is any thing but easy, although archery elk is a lot easier than a big muley. We deal with the same in Nevada some always wont change. Nothing is ever perfect but Utah's seasons are pretty darn good.

 

[bearman]

That is it! Pro said name one state with the same there it is. Pretty darn close, right.

 

[Antler1]

Pro,
I'll bite, NO I don't know any other states with Utahs dates.

Now heres a question for you. Can you name one state becides Utah putting a 500 inch bull on the ground?

All the dates look good to me I would take any one of them but I put in for the premium hunt with the crappy odds.

I was on the hill today and the elk are still rutting and the best part all the recreational squatters have gone home. I didn't see a soul. A late September/early October hunt might not be bad.

If I was really worried about dates I would worry about getting the general archery and muzz moved out of the LE elk seasons.

 

[proutdoors]

>Now heres a question for you.
>Can you name one state
>becides Utah putting a 500
>inch bull on the ground?

Are you saying spidey is a direct result of the archery hunt ending in the first half of September? Now it all makes sense, thanks for clearing that up.

Again, this is NOT about me, at my age and with my back, the odds of me drawing a LE elk tag in Utah are zilch. What biological purpose is there for having most of the archery hunt in August? Anybody> bearman, when does Nevada have their rifle hunts? What is the rifle success rate? What is the muzzy hunt dates? Educate me bessy jr.

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.

 

[Antler1]

>
>Are you saying spidey is a
>direct result of the archery
>hunt ending in the first
>half of September? Now it
>all makes sense, thanks for
>clearing that up.

>
>PRO
>
Glad to help Pro. So what your trying to saying is if a stick flipper had four more days they would have got Spidey.

 

[proutdoors]

I knew it, you are sipping the same chit as bessy and bearman. Put it down and call your Bishop right now!

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.

 

[Bikes]

You can move the rifle out of the rut and shorten the season until you get the success rate down to half. It would be a good hunt for big bulls and DWR can issue twice as many tags to kill the same number of bulls to keep the same objective. You would then draw the hunt in half the time. The current system seems like a 20 year wait for a short outing shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[scoutdog5]

Figure out some way to get me a tag, on any LE unit in Utah, and I will be happy to rifle hunt in August, Sept, Oct, Nov (Sorry, no December, I hate the cold). 3 day season, 5 day season, I don't care, I just want to come to Utah, spend a bunch of money, and chase those big, or even average big, bulls around.

I promise I won't even complain about not shooting a bull as long as I see a couple of big boys.

Scoutdog

 

[PleaseDear]

I never could understand the 'other states' dates being brought into our Utard debate?

If ya want to enjoy the 'other states' dates.....then pay the non-ressy $$$-- apply and go hunt the 'other states' dates.

To actually 'fudge' our bow hunt dates in Utard, we would have to have alot of other hunt dates 'fudged' too.

Certain OIL rifle hunts(Any Weapon)

Certain area's Youth Rifle hunts

Nothing to do with changing the deer hunt dates so other dates can shift...

Or we can 'fudge' our bow hunt dates and share those dates with the other rifle hunts(Any Weapon) and wear Blaze Orange.

Plus the dates for 2009 thru 2012 do not go into the 3rd week 18th..? of Sept..... ya gotta start in Aug and go 4 weeks that puts the dates like now 11th or 12th or 13th...under the current hunt dates.



Robb