Cyanide trap kills pet dog

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Federal Cyanide Trap Injures Eastern Idaho Boy, Kills Dog

Federal authorities are confirming that a cyanide trap intended to kill coyotes in eastern Idaho instead killed a dog in an incident the local sheriff also says injured a 14-year-old boy.

Argyle said the device was in a patchwork area of private and public land and is believed to have been placed on U.S. Bureau of Land Management land. Argyle said the area is frequented by hikers, bikers and ATV riders. He said the area also has some sheep grazing.

"Wildlife Services is completing a thorough review of the circumstances of this incident, and will work to review our operating procedures to determine whether improvements can be made to reduce the likelihood of similar occurrences happening in the future," the Agriculture Department said in the statement.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...nide-trap-injures-eastern-idaho-boy-kills-dog
 
Not Uncommon to see them around here!







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>I thought those things were banned
>years ago.

How do You Think The Government Trappers Kill alot of Coyotes Bob?








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Only big brother can handle them, us commoners aren't smart enough in our governments eyes.
 
Unfortunate. We, in our open society, it seems, cannot safe guard against every possible danger. Children are injured and very sad and unfortunate incidents occur when children walk to school or encounter electricity in our homes.

Chemical companies have developed specific poisons that kill starlings and are not as toxic to other birds or animals, other than starlings. These chemicals have demonstrated very effective results controlling starlings.

I've been told, by chemists, that these companies, could, develop similar poisons for mammals, including coyotes, what would not be deadly to dogs or birds of prey etc. but would control coyotes, however, the cost would be substantial. I have been encouraged the Utah Div. of Wildlife Resources personal, over the last twenty years, to investigate and fund the development of such a poison. All western and midwest States could share the cost of the development.

I've only got a "deer in the headlights" look, in response to my request.

If it was not so politically incorrect, to kill wild dogs i.e.:coyotes, we could have had this problem solved decades ago. Maybe unfortunate incidents like this cyanid bomb injuring this child in Idaho, will motivate the sheep/cattle industry, to get the political funding resources to get it done and get the coyotes back under control, without risking the public's access to these lands.

But.... probably not. I'm guessing they'll just outlaw cyanid bomb use, nation wide. How you betting?

DC
 
RE: Csyanide trap kills pet dog

Those traps are all fine and dandy until a boy messes with one. Makes as much sense as planned into land mines for predator control.
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I have no problem killing the coyotes with poison, or any other way for that matter.

The article didn't say, but I wonder if people are warned ahead of time, or are signs posted in the area? Anything?

You could be out on a family shed hunting/picnic with your dog.

I heard there was an over population of coyotes in and around Yellowstone NP.
 
My limited understanding is there are supposed to be multiple signs posted around it and at entrances to properties with these devices set. There is no explosion in this device only a simple puff of cyanide when a canine pulls on it. I doubt the boy was knocked down by it or he was covered in cyanide from the trap going off. Most likely he got some on him handling his dead/dying dog. Doesn't sound like an area they should have set and there's no telling if the signs were up but the article sounds a bit slanted to one side.
 
Come on guys, you sound like a group of antis throwing poo at the wall here.

Do some research on how these things are "set off" and how the cyanide is delivered.

Research and try to appreciate how highly regulated an M44 is and how an area is designated and posted.

Some here seem to have jumped on the band wagon and went straight to the whip! Is it possible that the media has given us just enough info to stir the sh*t and play on your emotions?

Honest question here.....a poison that will kill a coyote dead dead dead and not harm my wirehair?? Are you for real?

Rant over, lay down the horse whip and think about it for a minute.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-22-17 AT 09:47PM (MST)[p]http://www.projectcoyote.org/action/actionpoisons.sign600.jpg
The M44 cyanide device (also called a 'cyanide gun' or a 'cyanide trap') is used for the elimination of coyotes, feral dogs, and foxes. It is made from four parts: a capsule holder wrapped with cloth or other soft material, a small plastic capsule containing 0.88 grams of sodium cyanide, a spring-powered ejector, and a 5-7 inch stake. To install the trap, the stake is first driven down into the ground, and then the capsule is put in the holder, screwed onto the cocked ejector, and secured to the stake. The wrapped capsule holder is smeared with scented bait to attract coyotes and make them bite and pull on it. (The use of a bite-and-pull action makes the trap less likely to be set off by non-canine wildlife.[1]) When the trap is triggered, the spring propels a dose of sodium cyanide into the animals's mouth, and the sodium cyanide combines with water in the mouth to produce poisonous cyanide gas.[2] In addition to the cyanide, the capsule contains Day-Glo fluorescent particle marker (orange in capsules used by the Wildlife Service, and yellow in capsules prepared for other users) .[3]

The M44 was invented in the 1960s to replace a similar device known as a 'Coyote Getter', which had been in use since the 1930s. The Coyote Getter used a .38 Special pistol cartridge case to contain the sodium cyanide mixture, and ejected the cyanide with a primer. That design made the Coyote Getter quite hazardous, because the wad and cyanide were ejected with great force. For example, in 1959 a 15-year old boy lost one eye when he accidentally set off a Coyote Getter by stepping on it, in 1966 a man was hit in the left hand and died from cyanide poisoning, and between 1965 and 1971 at least 17 humans were injured by Coyote Getters. Therefore, in the early 1960s the Fish and Wildlife Service started to develop a safer, spring-based replacement device. Much of the work was done by James Poteet, a Predator Control Specialist in Midland, Texas who received a patent for the device in 1967. The new device was gradually phased into Federal management programs beginning in 1967, and by November 1970 it had substantially replaced the the Coyote Getter.[3][4]

Since its introduction, the M44 design was updated several times to solve problems such as caking in the cyanide capsules or malfunctioning ejectors. One effort in 1977-79 resulted in a completely new, slightly larger cyanide ejector called the M50. However, a field evaluation in 1982 showed that the older Poteet-designed M44 actually performed better, and the M50 was phased out. In 1984, the M44 ejector body and capsule holder were redesigned as it became necessary to replace the dies that had been used since 1967 to cast those metal parts. That model is still produced today, with some minor adjustments.[3]

Use of the M44 device has been criticized by animal welfare and environmental groups, as the devices have many unintended victims, including pets and endangered species; strongly indicative of a lack of selectivity, instead of the supposed high level.[5] In 2003, Mr. Dennis Slaugh of Vernal, Utah, was on public lands and mistook an M-44 for a survey marker. When he pulled on it, the device shot sodium cyanide powder on his face and chest causing him to become violently ill.[6] In February 2006, an M44 device killed a man's dog in Utah, as the dog and owner were walking through public land. The man was also affected by the cyanide in the device, and is seeking compensation from the US Department of Agriculture's Wildlife Service, along with the Utah Department of Food and Agriculture.[7] In 2017 a 14 year old boy in Idaho was injured, and his dog killed, by a M44 which was detonated near his home. [8]
 
>...is Dennis a friend of yours
>Bess???....he sounds sharp

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> No Offense!
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>But We've got so many Illegals
>We have to Warn the
>Mexicans with them Signs as
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that the kid and dog were not supposed to be where this happened.....and I don't believe for a second that the kid set it off....the dog did exactly what a coyote would do...flipped the cow pie off and tried to eat it.
 
Years ago when I was a young man I saw the results of one of those traps. A female and 2 young coyote. All within a few feet of each other. I think the female triggered the trap and after getting a dose in the chops she died right there, I believe the young coyote probably licked mammas face and got there dose that way. There was a sign posted that I didn't see until after finding the coyotes. I wonder how long the poison is effective by contact after the initial release. I'm glad my Dad had warned me about them beforehand.
 
I didn't know much about them or how they're deployed, but now I'm just jealous because I can't buy one OTC. There would be peace and quiet in my neighborhood for once.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-23-17 AT 05:04PM (MST)[p]>>How close do you live to
>>Homer?
>
>600 miles or so. His dog
>is safe.

Not thinking about his dog. ;)


I bet tri-state doesn't have a dog.
 
Calling it a bomb is ridiculous. The news would like everyone to think it blew a 10ft hole in the ground and shot poison everywhere. It is spring loaded and shoots right in the coyotes mouth. I am sorry for the owners of the dog.
 
Well...... it does blow a 10ft hole, if you think it does! You know, dogs/coyotes are people too!

DC
 

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