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LAST EDITED ON Sep-01-17 AT 09:36AM (MST)[p]http://time.com/4924750/utah-nurse-arrested-blood-draw-patient/


(SALT LAKE CITY) ? A Utah police officer's body camera video shows a hospital nurse being handcuffed after refusing to draw blood on an unconscious patient.

The video taken at University Hospital in Salt Lake City shows nurse Alex Wubbels calmly explaining to Salt Lake detective Jeff Payne that she couldn't draw blood on a patient who had been injured in a car accident. She told the officer a patient was required to give consent for a blood sample or be under arrest. Otherwise, she said police needed a warrant.



The detective is also a paramedic and should know better.
 
Unbelievable! That cop got emotional way to quickly. She's got a good payday in store. Some cops think their investigations take precedence over everything?

Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good health for granted because it can be gone in a heartbeat. Please go back and read the last line. This time really understand what it says.
 
Interesting to note that in other articles it is mentioned that the dude was operating a semi when the wreck happened....maybe implied consent? Other articles also say that the cop was ordered to arrest her.


I expect this will take awhile to unravel
 
The cop reminded me of Dwight Yoakams character in Sling Blade.

Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good health for granted because it can be gone in a heartbeat. Please go back and read the last line. This time really understand what it says.
 
lol....nice job Doyle...

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LAST EDITED ON Sep-01-17 AT 01:24PM (MST)[p]In a lot of states a warrant is not needed if the person is unconscious and there is a exigent circumstances. And LE can take a nurse into custody if they refuse a lawful order, but not sure the best course of action would be to make the arrest. It's not up to the nurse to decide if a warrant is needed. Policy is one thing the law is another.

Steve, if it's your family member who is harmed or killed would you be saying the same? Or would you be the other end of the blade demanding a full investigation to include the blood draw?
 
Prior to making any arrest, the officer should have requested the nurse to get her supervisor and determine what are the hospital rules. I am not familiar with Utah state code so do not know if officer has right to request blood draw without person's consent.
If he has the right to do so, then the nurse did obstruct the officer in his duties making her subject to arrest. If arrest was legal, officer screwed up by releasing her after she set in the patrol car in handcuffs. Should have taken her to jail.
Requesting the hospital supervisor may have prevented a lot of problems and bad public relations.

RELH
 
Taking a sample because it was medically necessary would've been one thing. A lawful order would have to be a court order. I whole heartedly support law enforcement, but this guy, this time, stepped over the line.
 
Bryon- I see your point. However, the nurse clearly stated the options and "rules" to what is needed under that certain circumstance. I think the cop over-reacted and realize its a sticky situation. I also see how a cop gets that much more emotional when a suspect starts to back up in an uncooperative manner. Cops aren't trained to negotiate with a suspect...they are trained to control the situation. In this particular situation, he probably was wrong. That's all I'm saying. I wouldn't ever want to be put in the cops or the suspects place. No thanks.

Steve

Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good health for granted because it can be gone in a heartbeat. Please go back and read the last line. This time really understand what it says.
 
In my opinion, I don't feel consent would be necessary under the circumstance. However, the nurse stipulated what is necessary and it didn't comply.

If you were the cop, how would you have reacted? The same way? Or would you have a little more control? It seemed to me the videoing cop wasn't 100% backing how the arresting officer was handling things. He also didn't tell him to stop with the arrest in the manner he was handling it. I had 3 BIL's that were cops (I now have 0 BIL's that are still) and I know that they stick together and it would be uncommon for 1 cop to tell another cop to stop certain behavior. Just my 2 cents...

Steve

Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good health for granted because it can be gone in a heartbeat. Please go back and read the last line. This time really understand what it says.
 
Mmwb, you are wrong, but I appreciate your support of LE. If a LE officer gives you an order, lawfully of course, it is considered a lawful order. Nothing to do with a judge, nor does an officer need a judge to approve the order.

Steve, as stated in my post I would not have arrested her. Videos like this are not good for LE. But, if it you were on the other side of things would you want a full, thorough investigation if it were one of your family members? Would you want that nurse arrested for impeding /obstructing/interfering? I will say it again. Hospital policy or "rules" mean nothing when a criminal investigation is occurring. I know there are certain code of ethics in the medical field, but again when a investigation is ongoing and someone impedes/hinders/interferes then they can be taken into custody. It may not be pretty, or the "popular" thing to do, but some investigations turn out that way.
 
I have had this happen to me. Investigating a fatal crash. Bad guy, drunk and killed several people. He is at the hospital and after HIPPA came out hospitals instituted their interpretation of the law. Nurse says I can't let you see suspect or get blood as it is their policy. Told nurse that he just killed several people and I was told that it was policy, sorry. Doctor overheard what happened and told me he would get the blood because he was tired of drunks killing and devastating lives.

Does it appear the officer handled it wrong, absolutely. If the officer can't get the blood even if he is allowed by law then go get a search warrant. Read the warrant and then if they fail to follow cite them to appear. Let the judge decide what to do for not following his orders. Tired of watching cop videos where they act like asses and expect public support. Doesn't work that way. It's not personal and no one should be getting pissed off. Just my thoughts from doing the work for 29 years.

Rich
 
Bryon- This video was from an officers body camera. Why was it made public so quickly and why did the department put it out there if it was going to be so detrimental. Yes, these videos are horrible and it depicts a very bad judgement call on the officers behalf. I would have figured the dept would not put the video out until a full investigation on what transpired had been completed? Just wondering...

Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good health for granted because it can be gone in a heartbeat. Please go back and read the last line. This time really understand what it says.
 
>Bryon- This video was from an
>officers body camera. Why was
>it made public so quickly
>and why did the department
>put it out there if
>it was going to be
>so detrimental. Yes, these videos
>are horrible and it depicts
>a very bad judgement call
>on the officers behalf. I
>would have figured the dept
>would not put the video
>out until a full investigation
>on what transpired had been
>completed? Just wondering...
>
>Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good
>health for granted because it
>can be gone in a
>heartbeat. Please go back and
>read the last line. This
>time really understand what it
>says.

Hey Wisz?

Maybe the one Cop didn't like the other Cop?:D








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A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!


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RELH,
Your response here is the closest to being well thought out & based on the facts, , , , ,but it is still incorrect! Depending on which news report you read or hear, determines how much of this story you actually hear.
Fact #1) The person in the hospital was the victim in the accident. He had been severely burned and had been administered "a strong pain medication" by the EMS personel. He was not awake & could not provide consent as required by law.
Fact #2) The victim was not suspected of committing a crime and there was no probable cause presented to suggest that he had.
Fact #3) The detective was required to get a warrant but had not done so.
Fact #4) The nurses supervisor was on the (speaker) phone with the nurse and could be heard telling the investigating detective, "You are making a huge mistake"!
Fact #5) The nurse was following hospital policy "as determined by state & federal law" and was instructed by the Nurses Supervisor how to proceed.
Fact #6) The detective was recorded as saying "it has never taken this long and I am done waiting" just before he grabbed the nurse, pushed her outside and up against a wall & handcuffed her.
Fact #7) The SLC Chief of Police, and the Mayor have both publicly apologized to the Nurse, and the hospital administration for this event.
Fact #8) The officer was instructed by his supervisor to arrest her for obstruction if she did not comply.
Fact #9) The officer has been placed on paid administrative leave.
Fact #10) The event occurred on July 26th.

Feel free to check all this out on your own!
 
What news articles I saw did not explain that the "injured person" was a victim instead of a possible suspect in a DUI investigation. If that was the case, that officer violated the nurses rights and made a false arrest.
Even if he did not transport her to the jail and book her, it is still a false arrest and she could retire from nursing after a civil court law suit.
Officer needs to be fired, if not his record for a bad judgment call will follow him on any future disputes when someone may accuse him of a false arrest or even unlawful search. A "Pitches motion" in court would bring this incident up everytime to dispute his testimony.
Also the agency that keeps him on would be more liable for damages on any future incidents that may find him making bad arrests.
The supervisor who ordered the arrest will take the brunt of the heat for his piss poor decision of directing his subordinate to make that false arrest.

That department needs to train their officers better in the letter of the law. One reason CA. requires every officer to have training EVERY YEAR on new laws enacted and court case decisions that would effect officers in their performance of duties.

RELH
 
I just read a news release that indicates the Utah nurse is going to sue SLCPD big time.
The nurse admitted she WAS THE ONE THAT RELEASED THE BODY CAM VIDEO TO THE PUBLIC. This indicates she obtained a lawyer and the lawyer filed a "discovery motion" and obtained a copy of the video tape.
Also by releasing the video, they knew it would cause a huge public relations scandal that would put more money in their pockets with a lawsuit.
That nurse is going for several million, instead of thousands. That detective stands a good chance of being fired, and the Lt. who told him to arrest her may get fired or demoted also. That detective is not required to obey a order from a superior if he knows it is a "illegal order".

RELH
 
The truck driver is a part time cop.
The officer has been fired from his second job with an ambulance company because phone calls from people to complain about the cop were tying up their lines and impeding business.
Last I heard, he hasn't been fired from his cop job. If his supervisor told him to arrest the nurse, the supervisor should be in hot water too.
According to a Supreme Court decision, the nurse was correct. It would have been illegal to draw the truck driver's blood under the circumstances.
 
Good call by the Chief. That Det. and Lt. went way over the line on that incident.

RELH
 
WHITE LIVES MATTER....imagine if that were a black nurse.

Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good health for granted because it can be gone in a heartbeat. Please go back and read the last line. This time really understand what it says.
 
Good thing that idiot was fired. Now prosecute him and put him away. Luckily he pulled this stunt and got caught before he killed someone.

The other issue I have is there is at least one more officer there which is watching official oppression and assault occur and does nothing. Fire him to. Police should learn there are consequences for siding with a badge wearing criminal. They are not your brethren.
 
Tristate you are making mountains out of mole hills. It appears that the detective that arrested the nurse is the ranking officer on the scene. That patrolman you saw is his subordinate and may not have been aware that the arrest was illegal if he did not know all the circumstances involved.
The patrolman should only be punished if he withheld information or lied during the Internal affairs investigation. You need to stick with stuffing animals as the law is not your forte.

RELH
 
>Tristate you are making mountains out
>of mole hills. It appears
>that the detective that arrested
>the nurse is the ranking
>officer on the scene. That
>patrolman you saw is his
>subordinate and may not have
>been aware that the arrest
>was illegal if he did
>not know all the circumstances
>involved.
> The patrolman
>should only be punished if
>he withheld information or lied
>during the Internal affairs investigation.
>You need to stick with
>stuffing animals as the law
>is not your forte.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> RELH
>

Bullcrap. He should be charged and prosecuted like any other thug. This little piggy went way over the line. It will cost the city millions in a lawsuit before this is done.
 
Are you talking about the uniformed city cop, or the detective that did the actual arrest on the nurse?
If you are talking about the patrolman, you need to take courses in the law that pertains to lawful arrest and prosecution of the crime.

How would you feel if your were a passenger in a car being driven by your buddy that was intoxicated and you failed to make him pullover and allow you to drive. He gets stopped and arrested for DUI and you get arrested for being in the car and allowing him to drive. Would you think that was right?

RELH
 
"Tristate you are making mountains out of mole hills. It appears that the detective that arrested the nurse is the ranking officer on the scene. That patrolman you saw is his subordinate and may not have been aware that the arrest was illegal if he did not know all the circumstances involved.
The patrolman should only be punished if he withheld information or lied during the Internal affairs investigation. You need to stick with stuffing animals as the law is not your forte."


You need to go back and read instead rushing right into defending people just because they wear a badge. I NEVER SAID THE PATROLMAN SHOULD BE PROSECUTED UNDER THE LAW. So your idea that the law isn't my forte doesn't apply. I said FIRE him to. That doesn't take "law" to do that. The idea that this is a justice issue with the patrolman shows you are either ignorant to the situation or compliant as long as the offender is wearing blue, AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO END. The public doesn't give two squirts who the "ranking officer" is. At some point somebody needs to put on his big boy pants, step up, AND DO THE DAM JOB OF PROTECTING AND SERVING. Where is the breaking point of doing what the ranking officer commands? When he gropes a kid in the patrol car? When he pockets some coke off of a perp? How about when he physically violates a woman in front of you and commits a felony??????

If you are so foolish to think a passenger in a DUI vehicle is the same as a trained officer OF THE LAW, hired and educated and SWORN TO UPHOLD THE LAW you are a bigger fool than I imagined.

DO THE JOB YOU SWORE YOU WOULD DO. If you don't go be a ditch digger. Everybody wants the pay, benefits, and glory, but fewer and fewer want to actually stand for it.
 
You are one of the ignorant idiots I had to put up with on a daily basis. The detective was totally out of line and deserved to be fired. The Lt. that told him to arrest the nurse, was busted all the way down to patrolman and deserved it for giving a illegal order.
Going after the patrolman in the video is out of line based on the information we do not have about his involvement or lack of involvement. what are you, a cop hater? Stick to stuffing animals.

RELH
 
His involvement was we get to watch him on video stand and do NOTHING IN THE FACE OF A VIOLENT FELONY! In the private sector sitting on your ass when you are supposed to man up and do your job, results in your termination. Maybe you can't handle the accountability of the position RELH. If so you probably should have chosen a different position so you wouldn't be bitter about all those "ignorant idiots" you swore to serve. You played your hand with that quote, slick.

I am the ignorant idiot with a perfectly clean record, pays all of his taxes, employs and feeds 4 families besides my own AND DAM SURE EXPECTS THE PEOPLE WHO GLADLY ACCEPT MY MONEY TO DO THE DUTY THEY ARE BEING PAID TO DO.

I am not saying he should be imprisoned like the other guy. I am not saying he shouldn't provide for his family in some other way. I AM SAYING HE IS UNFIT TO BE AN OFFICER OF THE LAW. You can disagree if you want. I'm not going to call you an idiot for doing so.
 
I thought the so termed Patrolman...was actually a Hospital Officer, not a City Officer. His job may be ONLY to deal with crazy patients or, call the City Police.

But I sure may have not heard it 100% accurately on the TV.
 

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