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Wiszard
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Sep-05-17, 
07:55 PM (MST)
"HVAC guys.."

We've got a portable air conditioner in my wifes salon. Its a Whytner ARC-10WB. It has really gone down hill as far as the cold air out put goes. Do these units use Freon? Could it just be a dirty filter? I have no experience with these so any help would be appreciated. The unit is only 2.5 years old and not run a lot. Thoughts?

Steve

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 Subject   Author   Message Date   ID 
 RE: HVAC guys..  DW      Sep-05-17   1 
 RE: HVAC guys..  elkassassin      Sep-05-17   2 
  RE: HVAC guys..  Wiszard      Sep-05-17   3 
  RE: HVAC guys..  deadibob      Sep-05-17   4 
   RE: HVAC guys..  elkassassin      Sep-05-17   5 
    RE: HVAC guys..  deadibob      Sep-06-17   6 
     RE: HVAC guys..  BIGJOHNT      Sep-06-17   7 
 RE: HVAC guys..  computerguy      Sep-06-17   8 
  RE: HVAC guys..  BeanMan      Sep-06-17   9 
 RE: HVAC guys..  eelgrass      Sep-06-17   10 
  RE: HVAC guys..  Wiszard      Sep-06-17   11 
   RE: HVAC guys..  computerguy      Sep-06-17   12 
    RE: HVAC guys..  elkassassin      Sep-06-17   13 
     RE: HVAC guys..  Wiszard      Sep-06-17   14 
      RE: HVAC guys..  elkassassin      Sep-07-17   15 
       RE: HVAC guys..  mossback50c...      Sep-08-17   16 
   RE: HVAC guys..  computerguy      Sep-12-17   17 

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DW
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Sep-05-17, 
08:42 PM (MST)
1. "RE: HVAC guys.."

Got an owner's manual? Most of those smaller units have a filter, good place to start.

#livelikezac

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elkassassin
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Sep-05-17, 
08:43 PM (MST)
2. "RE: HVAC guys.."

LAST EDITED ON Sep-05-17 AT 08:48 PM (MST)


I'm No HVAC Guy!

But I Do believe it has a Washable pre-filter and advanced anti-bacterial silver ion filter!

You Might Try cleaning the pre-filter!

But that is a KALI Approved Unit that uses the GREENIE Approved Freon!

Put your Money towards a New one Wisz if it doesn't work after cleaning/replacing the filter!!

They've made it a THROW-A-WAY World!

F'R was Probably Built in China!

Just Surprise Ms Wisz just once & get Her a New one!


Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OsWQNYfEYo

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Wiszard
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Sep-05-17, 
09:05 PM (MST)
3. "RE: HVAC guys.."

I think I'll clean the filter then.

It was a $450 unit, BESS! I'll keep that thing for 15-20 years to get my money's worth. LOL

Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good health for granted because it can be gone in a heartbeat. Please go back and read the last line. This time really understand what it says.

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deadibob
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Sep-05-17, 
09:36 PM (MST)
4. "RE: HVAC guys.."

>LAST EDITED ON Sep-05-17
>AT 08:48 PM (MST)

>
>
>I'm No HVAC Guy!
>
>But I Do believe it has
>a Washable pre-filter and advanced
>anti-bacterial silver ion filter!
>
>You Might Try cleaning the pre-filter!
>
>
>But that is a KALI Approved
>Unit that uses the GREENIE
>Approved Freon!
>
>Put your Money towards a New
>one Wisz if it doesn't
>work after cleaning/replacing the filter!!


>
>
>They've made it a THROW-A-WAY World!
>
>
>F'R was Probably Built in China!
>
>
>Just Surprise Ms Wisz just once
>& get Her a New
>one!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650
>is a Little Close &
>I'm Not Comfortable with it!
>
>
>A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards
>will Still Make Some Good
>BRAGGIN Rights so I Can
>Say I At Least Hit
>Him!
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OsWQNYfEYo
>
>

Hey 'cat why ya always gotta bring up that chinese racist crap? I bet you don't talk that chit when you're eating at the Jade Lion or that local Chinese buffet on Main Street. What did a few chinamen ever do to you…besides maybe wok a few of your closest relatives

A BULLET TRAIN! The only other thing besides a good guy with a gun, that will stop a bad guy with a gun

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elkassassin
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Sep-05-17, 
09:40 PM (MST)
5. "RE: HVAC guys.."

>>LAST EDITED ON Sep-05-17
>>AT 08:48 PM (MST)

>>
>>
>>I'm No HVAC Guy!
>>
>>But I Do believe it has
>>a Washable pre-filter and advanced
>>anti-bacterial silver ion filter!
>>
>>You Might Try cleaning the pre-filter!
>>
>>
>>But that is a KALI Approved
>>Unit that uses the GREENIE
>>Approved Freon!
>>
>>Put your Money towards a New
>>one Wisz if it doesn't
>>work after cleaning/replacing the filter!!
>
>
>>
>>
>>They've made it a THROW-A-WAY World!
>>
>>
>>F'R was Probably Built in China!
>>
>>
>>Just Surprise Ms Wisz just once
>>& get Her a New
>>one!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650
>>is a Little Close &
>>I'm Not Comfortable with it!
>>
>>
>>A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards
>>will Still Make Some Good
>>BRAGGIN Rights so I Can
>>Say I At Least Hit
>>Him!
>>
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OsWQNYfEYo
>>
>>
>
>Hey 'cat why ya always gotta
>bring up that chinese racist
>crap? I bet you don't
>talk that chit when you're
>eating at the Jade Lion
>or that local Chinese buffet
>on Main Street. What did
>a few chinamen ever do
>to you…besides maybe wok a
>few of your closest relatives
>
>
>A BULLET TRAIN! The only other
>thing besides a good guy
>with a gun, that will
>stop a bad guy with
>a gun


Hey deadibobby!

Guess you haven't Noticed the PISS POOR Quality of anything you can Buy in this Country huh?

Dig Deep if you have to!

If it's F'N JUNK!

There's a Good Chance it was Built in China!

Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OsWQNYfEYo

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Sep-06-17, 
00:43 AM (MST)
6. "RE: HVAC guys.."

Hey Bess, I thought you were a fan of Vortex! I was just hacking on ya about being racist with the chineses. That may not have been as obvious as I thought It's all good, besides we may be at war with them in a week or two. I hope their nuke missiles are built at the Vortex plant, we might all survive if they are.

F'n warhead has a lifetime warranty. Black cats make a bigger boom, but they ain't got nothing on that Vortex warranty


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BIGJOHNT
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Sep-06-17, 
00:53 AM (MST)
7. "RE: HVAC guys.."

I you have had it for 2.5 years ? You have never cleaned the filter? That could be a problem. As to repairing window units. At near 100 a hour and a part or two. That you would have to order. You will spend more then a new one. Depending on make and brand. Will parts be available? If its a R 22 system ? Freon goes up weekly, but at 65 dollars a pound. Then trying to find a Tech that will touch a window ? Do you see what Bessy was saying. If you called my company. I am to busy fixing real air conditioners. I think you may find that the case in your area as well.

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computerguy
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Sep-06-17, 
01:20 AM (MST)
8. "RE: HVAC guys.."

LAST EDITED ON Sep-06-17 AT 01:31 AM (MST)

Alright, I'm not officially an HVAC guy. But I do have some experience and training that translates, and a significant amount of cross-training. Jagerdad knows the details, but I won't elaborate further here.

Cleaning the filter is always good.

These things have a cycle, whether it is the unit you're talking about, or the system in your hunting truck, or the system in your home, or the massive unit that cools a hospital or a shopping mall. They don't all use freon, but this one probably does use R-134A. The very large units use Lithium-Bromide.

There is one kind of system that is entirely steam driven. That system uses steam to draw a vacuum on a chamber. Water inside that chamber boils and removes heat from another water system that then circulates through coolers at ~40 degrees.

The whole point of it is to find a way to make something boil at basically room temperature and remove HEAT from some other medium (air, water, etc.) When you do that, you cool that something to LOWER THAN room temperature. Then the heat energy that is removed by the coolant must be exhausted somewhere.

The first step of troubleshooting is always to verify that power is available. I assume the unit is plugged in and is making enough lights, noise, etc., to convince you that main power is on. But there are likely several things that need power, and have you checked all fuses and circuit breakers to verify they are providing power to the compressor, and to any fans? If you don't have a manual for it, do an Internet search, and I'm sure you will find one for download that will tell you all the things to check:
http://www.whynter.com/user-manual/ARC-10WB-Whynter-Eco-friendly-10000-BTU.pdf

Here is also a troubleshooting list for this model:
https://www.whynter.com/troubleshooting/

I'm looking at a photo of this thing on the mfr website and it occurs to me you said your wife's SALON. Have you removed all the hoses and vacuumed the entire unit out to remove any buildup of HAIR clippings that is very likely inside of it? Just make sure it's unplugged when you do that. I would love to get a good look inside of it because you may find heat exchange surfaces caked with stuff that has been sucked in and stuck to moist surfaces, or even to dry surfaces if it is not run very much but is always in that room.

The next thing I would check is the means by which heat is exhausted from the unit. Where does that go? An air conditioner is a heat exchange machine, and that removed heat energy has to go somewhere. There is always a component called a condenser. In your car, it is an aluminum radiator looking component in front of your engine coolant radiator. Shopping malls have fairly large cooling towers with large fans inside to move cool air in from the bottom and warm air out at the top. This portable device of yours will have some kind of hot air exhaust hose. Is that connected? Where does it discharge? Is it blocked or kinked? Have any birds or critters taken up residence in that discharge on the outside and are blocking the exhaust flow of the hot air trying to go outside? If the hot air cannot get out, then you will get no cooling.

If it discharges into the same space you're trying to cool, then you achieve little more than getting cool air to blow in the face of someone sitting right in front of the thing, but the temperature in the space overall will never change. In fact, it will certainly get hotter due to electrical and mechanical inefficiencies in the machine that show up as additional heat generated (i.e., heat GAINS to a confined space).

Next, there is likely to be a lot of condensation from these cooling coils--especially inside a salon where there is always hair being washed and dried, putting lots of moisture in the air. Where does that condensation go? There must be some kind of drain tube that goes to a sink, or a container that has to be dumped occasionally. You see this condensation under your car when the A/C is running, and you see it from your home unit being occasionally pumped to some kind of drain like a sink. If that area fills with condensation, you will get no cooling.

If you have an actual coolant issue, then I can only recommend that you get a real HVAC technician to check the high and low side pressures. This things PORTABLE, so you should be able to take it to them if needed. At least get an estimate! Even if he has to evacuate the system, repair a leak and recharge it, that will likely be cheaper done in their shop than buying a new one.

Hope this helps!

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Sep-06-17, 
06:30 AM (MST)
9. "RE: HVAC guys.."

If it's been in a salon for 2.5 years I'll bet that filter smells like an assortment of wet dogs. I never could get over the salon smell.

I''m not knocking salons mind you, I love the way my Wife looks when She comes home from one, just the smell.

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Sep-06-17, 
08:40 AM (MST)
10. "RE: HVAC guys.."

LAST EDITED ON Sep-06-17 AT 08:41 AM (MST)

Wisz, you could always move to Eureka and exchange the air conditioner for a wood stove. If you want an air conditioner here, you have to order it out of a Sears catalog or Amazon.

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Wiszard
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Sep-06-17, 
10:38 AM (MST)
11. "RE: HVAC guys.."

computerguy- thanks for the help. The unit is vented outside so it is vented correctly. It's in a separate room than the rest of the salon so its not being subjected to a lot of hair or anything like that. I will go down there today and clean the filter. Hopefully that will help.

One thing about a salon, there's always something going on to talk about...13 women in 1600 square feet? How could there not be? LOL.

Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good health for granted because it can be gone in a heartbeat. Please go back and read the last line. This time really understand what it says.

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Sep-06-17, 
12:21 PM (MST)
12. "RE: HVAC guys.."

LAST EDITED ON Sep-06-17 AT 12:21 PM (MST)

1600 Sq. Feet? That's bigger than my whole house!

Make sure that vent hose is not kinked or cut, and make sure no critters (i.e., RATS!) have taken up residence inside the unit itself. They will eat every bit of wiring in the thing. They F'n love copper wiring for some reason! Maybe they go and crap it all out for the homeless people to take in and sell for scrap?

If that exhaust hose is leaking into the space, then you will have greatly reduced overall cooling.

Is it even blowing cold air at all?

What indications and symptoms is it giving? Does it appear to be working correctly but just blows room temperature or even hot air?

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Sep-06-17, 
05:39 PM (MST)
13. "RE: HVAC guys.."


Ain't No F'N Way one Little PISSCUTTER Cooler is gonna Cool that many HOT Chicks off!

JUDAS Wisz!


Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OsWQNYfEYo

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Wiszard
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Sep-06-17, 
07:42 PM (MST)
14. "RE: HVAC guys.."

The room that it is used in is only about 120 sq ft. There is no hose...it is up against the wall and directly vented to the outside with a flapper on the exterior.

Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good health for granted because it can be gone in a heartbeat. Please go back and read the last line. This time really understand what it says.

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elkassassin
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Sep-07-17, 
04:44 AM (MST)
15. "RE: HVAC guys.."

>The room that it is used
>in is only about 120
>sq ft. There is no
>hose...it is up against the
>wall and directly vented to
>the outside with a flapper
>on the exterior.
>
>Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good
>health for granted because it
>can be gone in a
>heartbeat. Please go back and
>read the last line. This
>time really understand what it
>says.

Oh!

The 120 sq ft Room!

I Remember that one!

You'd Best be getting that Cooler Replaced!

Quit being a Tight Ass Wisz!

I Can't take the Heat!

Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OsWQNYfEYo

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mossback50cal
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Sep-08-17, 
08:20 AM (MST)
16. "RE: HVAC guys.."

More than likely the filter or a dirty evaporate coil. Have you noticed the cool freezing up? Excessive condensation run off?

*We are all in the same boat, just
wishing to be hunting right now!*

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Sep-12-17, 
11:47 AM (MST)
17. "RE: HVAC guys.."

>computerguy- thanks for the help.
>I will go down there today
>and clean the filter. Hopefully
>that will help.
>

Did you get this figured out yet?

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