caelkhnter
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These type of stories ALWAYS fuel the Anti-Hunter Groups
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RELH
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The game warden that investigated this case is a close friend of my oldest son and I know him very well. One of the best wardens I have known and a good investigator as this idiot found out. Too bad the judge did not hit him with a bigger fine as 5K is chump change to this poacher.
RELH
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This guy deserves what he gets. His morally reprehensible acts cast a bad light on all hunters and should be prosecuted accordingly.
Wow, the length of the article and the lengths the fish and game investigation went through in order to build a case is something that amazes me. Especially since the amount of illegal hunting I've witnessed and heard first hand accounts about regarding certain Asian minorities go by unnoticed by both LE AND the media. I guess it doesn't fit their narrative.
I've had F&G officers tell me it does no good to arrest them because they are on what amounts to diplomatic immunity since they are brought over on a refugee satus.
I've even had some clients who are the same minority, whom I've gotten to know very well over time, tell me that the game laws are not for them, BUT FOR US CITIZENS!
So forgive me for not thinking that F&G have the best interest of wildlife in mind when I read this article.
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Wow, the length of the article and the lengths the fish and game investigation went through in order to build a case is something that amazes me. Especially since the amount of illegal hunting I've witnessed and heard first hand accounts about regarding certain Asian minorities go by unnoticed by both LE AND the media. I guess it doesn't fit their narrative.
I've had F&G officers tell me it does no good to arrest them because they are on what amounts to diplomatic immunity since they are brought over on a refugee satus.
I've even had some clients who are the same minority, whom I've gotten to know very well over time, tell me that the game laws are not for them, BUT FOR US CITIZENS!
So forgive me for not thinking that F&G have the best interest of wildlife in mind when I read this article.
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Seems like he took a trophy picture with a buck that he put down because it was going to die. Camo pants to just put down a buck. Hmmmm. Sure seems like they pass a law for guys like this to hit them hard like 40K then they don't follow through. How many dollars did it take to investigate. I bet a bunch more then 5K.
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eelgrass
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This is California. Most people would be thrilled if the last deer was killed by a wolf or mountain lion..including many in F&W. So, I tend to not be a big fan of F&W. I choose to do everything legal, but mostly because I don't want the hassle, not because I agree with their laws. I feel sorry for those in F&W who try to do what's right. They should be arresting the idiots who are anti-hunting and anti-management. Those are the enemy of wildlife and the future of hunting. And the enemies of America.
Sure, that guy is an a-hole for trying to pass that buck off as legal, and deserves what he got.
Fluty counter signed the tag in December? Without even seeing the deer? And then put the wrong date when he signed it? Unbelievable.....the good 'ol boys club. And F&W won't pursue it? Going to leave it "in house"...(wink)
Sure, that guy is an a-hole for trying to pass that buck off as legal, and deserves what he got.
Fluty counter signed the tag in December? Without even seeing the deer? And then put the wrong date when he signed it? Unbelievable.....the good 'ol boys club. And F&W won't pursue it? Going to leave it "in house"...(wink)
Kautz entered his no contest plea to two misdemeanors + a $5,000 fine. "WHAT A JOKE".
Pirtle told Kautz ?to make sure the deer did not disappear from Reno as I needed to see the deer,? according to his report. To which Kautz replied, ??Yes, no problem.??
Pirtle wrote that soon after he hung up, he called his counterparts in Nevada and asked for a state game warden to head over to the taxidermy shop to pick up the deer?s head.
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MY WISH = Either Pirtle or the Nevada State counterpart would have contacted the Taxidermist and explained that such Deer is under Felony investigation(s) and order it to be held, not released. Either could have requested an outside assist to the Local Sheriff to go seize the Deer. An honest licensed Taxidermist would have been happy to help.
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By the time the Nevada warden arrived at the shop the next afternoon, Kautz had already called the shop and paid the balance he owed. Someone had been by and to pick up the trophy mount. No one had picked up the deer?s tail, which Kautz had left with the shop.
IMO not all is lost. Nevada COULD open its own Felony investigation insofar as Transporting Illegal Contraband across State lines then, each individuals acts, in further concealing such evidence while in the State of Nevada or via Telecommunications. This is not double jeopardy. Its a new Nevada Case independent of whatever California did/didn't do.
Pirtle did an exceptional investigation. When other Law Enforcement folks see how a District Attorney down graded the case and ignored all other actors, it may and could make LE Admin say no to overtime on Investigations and degrade Moral.
This is simply the Public seeing how frustrating a case can be.
Jagerdad :-(
Pirtle told Kautz ?to make sure the deer did not disappear from Reno as I needed to see the deer,? according to his report. To which Kautz replied, ??Yes, no problem.??
Pirtle wrote that soon after he hung up, he called his counterparts in Nevada and asked for a state game warden to head over to the taxidermy shop to pick up the deer?s head.
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MY WISH = Either Pirtle or the Nevada State counterpart would have contacted the Taxidermist and explained that such Deer is under Felony investigation(s) and order it to be held, not released. Either could have requested an outside assist to the Local Sheriff to go seize the Deer. An honest licensed Taxidermist would have been happy to help.
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By the time the Nevada warden arrived at the shop the next afternoon, Kautz had already called the shop and paid the balance he owed. Someone had been by and to pick up the trophy mount. No one had picked up the deer?s tail, which Kautz had left with the shop.
IMO not all is lost. Nevada COULD open its own Felony investigation insofar as Transporting Illegal Contraband across State lines then, each individuals acts, in further concealing such evidence while in the State of Nevada or via Telecommunications. This is not double jeopardy. Its a new Nevada Case independent of whatever California did/didn't do.
Pirtle did an exceptional investigation. When other Law Enforcement folks see how a District Attorney down graded the case and ignored all other actors, it may and could make LE Admin say no to overtime on Investigations and degrade Moral.
This is simply the Public seeing how frustrating a case can be.
Jagerdad :-(
DeerHunter53
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This is probably an Vineyard buck that isn't afraid of humans and in all likelihood being hand fed.
What sport is there in shooting an deer that stands there looking at you waiting to see if you will feed it.
They should have taken his truck, gun, and anything else used in the kill.
He is probably an friend of Gavin Newsom and is just trying to help the mountain lions kill what few deer we have left.
Disgusting!!!!!!
What sport is there in shooting an deer that stands there looking at you waiting to see if you will feed it.
They should have taken his truck, gun, and anything else used in the kill.
He is probably an friend of Gavin Newsom and is just trying to help the mountain lions kill what few deer we have left.
Disgusting!!!!!!
