L.A. Shooting Video's

That's pretty sad....

Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good health for granted because it can be gone in a heartbeat. Please go back and read the last line. This time really understand what it says.
 
One more poor person the police saved to death.

A few months ago they shot a kidnapping victim to death here.

Fire the cop.
 
SlinginLead, after your post I looked up the measurements of a Major Cities Intersection.

No, not measurements of "THAT" Intersection. Just a general rule.

In the video it shows the Officers car comes to a stop at or near a large painted pedestrian crosswalk. The bad guy exits his vehicle at the same location across such Intersection.

The measurements of such Officers Shots, while Being SHOT AT = about 20 to 26 Yards. This distance will screw up those Monday Night Quarter Backs always reporting the average distance of Officer Involved Shootings are within, 7 Feet or, 2.3 Yards.

I have personally experienced countless car chases (and filmed on Cops TV Three times) and some where the bad guy was.... shooting back. These events will make a normal person pee their pants long before the ending of any pursuit. I have had "Ride-Along Citizens" and many of them DID Pooh or Urinate before I caught the Bad Guy.

I am saddened to learn of a Citizens loss of life. I have no words to express such sadness or, the impact of ONE Bad Guys actions upon further then one community.

Police, Highway Patrol and Sheriff's do their best. We are only Humans. Humans to do things and see terrible sad things/events far more impact-full than can be left closed behind a Locker room Door.

Only a very few are selected to do this job. Even a fewer number remain healthy past their first 7 years. A Far fewer number have a WIFE at Home, whom carries so much and he/she remains Married for many Years. I have just passed our 40th Wedding Anniversary.

Yet in all such Years, we have never had a Vacation "Together".

We raised great children. So, For the two Officers being shot at while trying to continue contact with an Active Shooter... I do not know what is To Far for either of them to engage the suspect at.

I appreciate your post. My reply here is NOT to Bash you at all.

I hope more folks write replies. Voicing your opinion is critical.

Jagerdad
 
>SlinginLead, after your post I looked
>up the measurements of a
>Major Cities Intersection.
>
>No, not measurements of "THAT" Intersection.
>Just a general rule.
>
>In the video it shows the
>Officers car comes to a
>stop at or near a
>large painted pedestrian crosswalk. The
>bad guy exits his vehicle
>at the same location across
>such Intersection.
>
>The measurements of such Officers Shots,
>while Being SHOT AT =
>about 20 to 26 Yards.
>This distance will screw up
>those Monday Night Quarter Backs
>always reporting the average distance
>of Officer Involved Shootings are
>within, 7 Feet or, 2.3
>Yards.
>
>I have personally experienced countless car
>chases (and filmed on Cops
>TV Three times) and some
>where the bad guy was....
>shooting back. These events will
>make a normal person pee
>their pants long before the
>ending of any pursuit. I
>have had "Ride-Along Citizens" and
>many of them DID Pooh
>or Urinate before I caught
>the Bad Guy.
>
>I am saddened to learn of
>a Citizens loss of life.
>I have no words to
>express such sadness or, the
>impact of ONE Bad Guys
>actions upon further then one
>community.
>
>Police, Highway Patrol and Sheriff's do
>their best. We are only
>Humans. Humans to do things
>and see terrible sad things/events
>far more impact-full than can
>be left closed behind a
>Locker room Door.
>
>Only a very few are selected
>to do this job. Even
>a fewer number remain healthy
>past their first 7 years.
>A Far fewer number have
>a WIFE at Home, whom
>carries so much and he/she
>remains Married for many Years.
>I have just passed our
>40th Wedding Anniversary.
>
>Yet in all such Years, we
>have never had a Vacation
>"Together".
>
>We raised great children. So, For
>the two Officers being shot
>at while trying to continue
>contact with an Active Shooter...
>I do not know what
>is To Far for either
>of them to engage the
>suspect at.
>
>I appreciate your post. My reply
>here is NOT to Bash
>you at all.
>
>I hope more folks write replies.
>Voicing your opinion is critical.
>
>
>Jagerdad


Yea, what he said.
 
I ex pect a trained professional to do a better job than me at his or her profession. I know "accidents happen". But when accidents happen professional s loose there job and find something else to do. That's somebody's dead family member. That may be some kids mommy and the rest of his or her life just got real difficult. To right this off as an accident forced by the stress of a shootout is not acceptable in a world of lawyers, taxpayers, and orphans. This proved this officer can't cut the mustard in this profession. To bad no one knew it before he killed someone.

I ain't saying this officer should be prosecuted. I am saying he needs to find a different career path immediately.
 
I agree with Tristate on this one.

The big question is how much force is too much given a specific scenario. A shootout in a grocery/retail area is not good.

Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good health for granted because it can be gone in a heartbeat. Please go back and read the last line. This time really understand what it says.
 
Tri-state you would have problems making it though the 18 month probation period to become a police officer. You are good at Monday night quarter backing and that is your limit.
Yes we are trained to watch for innocent citizens in the background on a shooting incident, but sometimes you can not see everything or a bullet may penetrate a wall and take someone out you did not see.

You are totally irresponsible to make your claim without knowing the full facts. If you do not like cops, be sure to never call them in the future. Oh I forgot, you are Macho man and can take care of all problems by your lonesome.

RELH
 
DW ... Once I accidentally found this Video, I was kinda shocked at the details.

Yes, I sure would, as the Passenger, be rolling down the window and awkwardly holding some form of an AR.

One never releases his/her seat belt because the biggest Killer to us is, the Patrol Vehicle.

Pedestrians and many motorists never see a Code 3 Vehicle and that alone is a totally different Rodeo topic.

I would never say what I personally would do yet I did wonder why the Passenger, once he said he has his gun, didn't have a quasi long gun. Like written, it was simply a wonder.

The Camera are fish eyed so, distances are hard to view. You must spot solid objects to obtain a measurement. Plus, no one knows if the bad guy, after crashing, may move the vehicle in Reverse....instantly making everything close contact but, he go out, fired at the Officers and sprinted fast into a store.

This is a dynamic situation with no answers. Heck, the Bad Guy could have sprinted directly at the Officers in a Suicide by Cop move or Ran for Blocks, endangering more... maybe a school...God Only Knows.

This new day wherein we have free Videos is good and bad. Tristate feels his way. That's cool with me. Others who devote time into the video may have other opinions or, agree with Tristate...."Hang-Em-All" ... ?

Hence DW ... I Pondered the same thought.

Jagerdad
 
This hits close to home fellas. The girl that was killed is the sister to my son?s closest Marine buddy and the best man in his wedding. They served in Iraq together. We can sit here and armchair quarterback the police actions but it won't change the fact that if it wasn?t for the COWARD shooting his own grandmother and then forcing a girl in the car with him and wrecking during a pursuit then running into a store full of innocent people no one would have been hurt. I say coward because he wouldn't fight till his own death but he rather handcuff himself before walking out knowing he won't be shot . I saw things on the video that I could critique but rather not. I myself have been in the hot seat facing a shooting review team with recorder rolling by administration personnel that had never used a weapon in the line of duty with 25-30 years of service. So I'll just keep the family in my thoughts and prayers and hopefully be able to make it to the services.
 
Solodawg, if you make it to the funeral, Give our condolences to the family and our prayers will be with them.

RELH
 
Solodawg,

You are right. Nothing bad would have happened here if this jackass didn't murder someone and go on the run. But that is a rabbit hole you can't quit running down once you start. No one would have been murdered if this guys parents would have never birthed him. Believe it or not there are people that would argue that with you also.

So here we are. All these deeds are done. Some good. Some bad. Some evil. Some noble. The jackass that did the murder is why we have a criminal justice system and he will face its wrath. The cop that killed the lady is why we have a chain of command and executives that make sure he finds a different career path.

RELH,

You need to calm down and think before you type your "All cops are better than Tri-State sheet talking".

I never said I could do a police man's job. I do what I do because I am best suited to do this. This cop does what he does because he thought it was the best fit for him. THIS WOMAN PAID WITH HER LIFE BECAUSE HE WAS WRONG. If you think I can't make it through an 18 month training course and that means I shouldn't be able to question the service I receive from my first responders, THEN YOU ARE BEING IGNORANT AND EGOTISTICAL. Your idea that I should never call police for help because I think one cop should be held professionally accountable for his extreme shortcomings on the job is emotional and illogical. It makes me wonder what YOU are doing with a loaded weapon. It makes me wonder if there are other bitter, ignorant, accountability dodgers who think YOU should decide who is good enough for your service today and who isn't. Frankly that is a crappy attitude. The kind of attitude that makes me wonder what kind of a cop you are.
 
Tri-State fly your butt out here and I will let you ask the citizens in the community I served as to how good of a cop I was. Many of them will say that they wished I had not retired.
Monday night quarter backs like you are a dime a dozen and not needed. You need to learn to get all the facts before you pass judgement, otherwise you and Obama share the same faults about opening mouth and inserting foot due to your bias.

RELH
 
You don't get it RELH. I don't care what any other facts are here. Fact: AN Innocent bystander got killed.
Fact: A police officer willfully discharged his weapon and killed
that person.

There is no fact you can tell me or share with me that will make me think he should not be fired from his position. THAT IS A FACT. I don't care how much stress the situation was. I don't care if he bumped his sights. I don't care if the strongest crosswind ever recorded was blowing that day. YOU WANT FACTS THAT I CALL NOTHING MORE THAN EXCUSES. I want a world of accountability. You want a world of anyone that wears a badge doesn't have to answer to these taxpaying fools who are beneath you. The only facts you can add would take this from a civil issue to a criminal one and I am giving the officer the benefit of doubt on that.

Police who kill bystanders are not needed.
 
Whatever! Arguing with a egotistic person like you is a losing cause. In fact it is your "know it all" ego is why I stated you would never make a good cop.
You have the attitude that you are always right and any citizen that dared to challenge your authority would likely face arrest, even if there was not justification for that arrest in order for you to show them who is boss.
I have seen officers with your attitude and I have done internal affairs investigations on them that cost them their job. We call it the "John Wayne syndrome" and you fit it to the letter.

It is a shame that a innocent person lost their life, and I am willing to wait until all the facts are in to determine if the officer that fired the fatal shot violated department rules and regulations by not firing due to the circumstance presented to him.

I wonder what you would do if faced with someone shooting at you. Have you been there and done that or are you the normal Monday morning quarterback talking out of the side of your mouth.

RELH
 
You are missing the point RELH. I am not saying I could be a cop. I am not saying I am better than this cop. I am not saying I would not have made the same mistake. But those are not logical arguments for this guy to remain a cop. It isn't. WE DON'T DECIDE WHO GETS TO BE A POLICEMAN BASED ON WHETHER A TAXIDERMIST COULD DO HIS JOB. That's the real world. I wish you could fit in it somehow. You take it so dam personally that a taxpayer says, "hey I don't want the physical risk or the civil liability of this man carrying a gun on the streets anymore." Let me ask you this RELH. Are you personally going to raise the kids of the next innocent bystander he whacks when he gets to keep his job??????? Well are you??? You want all of us out here living lawful lives to have to accept the risk of this guy, who has a record of killing bystanders, but I bet you don't want to nut up and raise my kids when its my brains all over the pavement. That's my problem. To you its job security. To me and everybody else its life and death.

If it makes you feel any better I will tell you another story that happened a couple of months ago at the gun range down the street from me. One of the employees was working on a weapon. The gun discharged. It went through a wall. It went through the windows of a vehicle. It blew some poor fella's brains all over the parking lot. GUESS WHO DOESN'T HAVE A JOB AT THE GUN RANGE ANYMORE? Guess who will never have a job working with firearms again????? Guess who was indicted for Manslaughter???? That's the way it works in the private sector. Why do you think a cop shouldn't be subject to similar professional standards and treatment?
 
Now I believe you are stretching the truth trying to prove your point. Your scenario as given above about the accidental firearm discharge DOES NOT JUSTIFY BEING CHARGED WITH MANSLAUGHTER. Even in a state like Texas where they are handling out 5 year prison sentence for outright MURDER in the Dallas area. Two just recently.

As for the cop, he will face a review board and can loose his job and even face criminal prosecution if he violated department rules and the CA. Penal Code.

Face it Tri-State you are a half ass outlaw based on your posts in this forum site. You are very fast to criticize law enforcement, even fish and game laws and wardens and you even support private ownership of public lands like they have in Texas, your home state.

Hopefully you stay in Texas and you can keep supporting poachers like you have done in the past. End of story, I am done with arguing with a half assed outlaw.

RELH
 
Look it up RELH. The gun range is called Hot Wells Shooting Range. I'm not lying to you. I didn't think it needed a manslaughter charge but that's what he is facing. I was amazed also.

I love how you are out of logic so it's easy to label someone with absolutely no criminal record and works 60 hours every week a "half assed outlaw". Quit looking down your nose at people who aren't cops slick. There's plenty of people who are honest decent people without badges and disagree with you.
 

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