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NMTopPredator
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Jan-06-17, 
11:49 AM (MST)
"Might be a dumb question. "

LAST EDITED ON Jan-06-17 AT 11:52 AM (MST)

Just wondering guys what are average spread measurements for 320-340,340-360 and 360-380 bulls. I'm not really a trophy hunter I just know a big bull when I see one lol. I just hear guys throwing out numbers sometimes and kind would like a basic knowledge i guess. Thanks for any info

Oh and what is a spread measurement that you just tells you monster bull..?

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 RE: Might be a...  Shadow      Jan-06-17   1 
 RE: Might be a...  mntnguide      Jan-06-17   2 
  RE: Might be a...  headshot05      Jan-06-17   3 
   RE: Might be a...  brooktrout      Jan-06-17   4 
    RE: Might be a...  headshot05      Jan-06-17   5 
     RE: Might be a...  2lumpy      Jan-06-17   6 
      RE: Might be a...  joesikora      Jan-10-17   7 
       RE: Might be a...  grosventreh...      Jan-11-17   8 
        RE: Might be a...  joesikora      Jan-11-17   9 
         RE: Might be a...  grosventreh...      Jan-11-17   10 
   RE: Might be a...  mntman      Jan-12-17   11 
    RE: Might be a...  rogerthat      Jan-22-17   12 

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Shadow
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Jan-06-17, 
03:45 PM (MST)
1. "RE: Might be a dumb question. "

There is no magic number for inside spread that corresponds with overall measurements. I've seen 43" spreads on Bulls that would be lucky to go 310 and solid 340 bulls with 32" spreads. Wasn't that 440 some odd bull that Skoronski killed with mossback a few years back on the book cliffs only sporting something like a 32 or 34" inside spread? Maybe someone hear can remember the number but I know the bull was crazy narrow and long.

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mntnguide
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Jan-06-17, 
05:54 PM (MST)
2. "RE: Might be a dumb question. "

I still dont get why people get so upsessed with "spread"...ITS AIR not horn. . And to answer your question, there is no real answer like stated above...ive seen 300" bulls that had nearly 45" spreads, and 400" bulls that barely touched 40...I was just watching a bull tonight on the winter range that is scratching the 400 range, and i wouldnt be surprised if his spread is under 40, he is narrow as heck but his points and beams are incredible. Spread is air, horn is horn

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Jan-06-17, 
06:51 PM (MST)
3. "RE: Might be a dumb question. "

Spread does help a lot with score as long as the beam is there. I shot a bull in the bookcliffs that scores 360" and only has a 32" inside spread. If his width matched his beams he would push 380".

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Jan-06-17, 
07:29 PM (MST)
4. "RE: Might be a dumb question. "

spread is one for one your 32 inch spread 360 bull would have to have a 52 inch spread to get to 380
the typical 10 tines would need to add 2inches each to increase a bull from 360 to 380
tine length is the driver as length width spread can be somewhat consistent with exceptions but exceptions stand out like a sore thumb

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Jan-06-17, 
07:40 PM (MST)
5. "RE: Might be a dumb question. "

Yeah obviously my bull has 52 and 53 beams. Great time length too. It takes a lot of bone to get to 360"

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Jan-06-17, 
09:40 PM (MST)
6. "RE: Might be a dumb question. "

"Just wondering guys what are average spread measurements for 320-340,340-360 and 360-380 bulls. I'm not really a trophy hunter I just know a big bull when I see one lol. I just hear guys throwing out numbers sometimes and kind would like a basic knowledge i guess. Thanks for any info

Oh and what is a spread measurement that you just tells you monster bull..?"


It seems like maybe you're comparing the "inches" talk from deer to elk and while it seems like a reasonable comparison, it actually isn't. Deer and elk antler "inches" are viewed quite differently by hunters, or it seems so to me.

When deer hunters talk about inches, a 30" width mule deer is somewhat of a holy grail. Why it has become the holy grail is beyond me, but it is, and so.........a mule deer's width is commonly an important number, in lots of peoples minds.

Elk width is not nearly as interesting to elk hunters as deer width seems to be with deer hunters. There is no "holy grail" for elk width, at least not that I've heard of. Other inches on elk seem to be for more interesting than width. Like others have mentioned, main beam length, sword tine (forth point) length, brow tine length and mass measurements, get more attention than width, when it comes to elk.

As with elk, deer width can vary from 22" to 34" and beyond. A mule deer may have 185" and qualify for Boone and Crockett, but if a deer isn't 30" wide, he doesn't seem to be as interesting or considered as big, to some sportsmen.

A sportsmen that is a genuine "trophy hunter" isn't as concerned with the width of either deer or elk, but concerned with total inches of antler and the antlers symmetry or just total inches of antler if he is hunting for a non-typical trophy. Width is just one part of what constitutes a Boone and Crockett grade trophy, in fact, the outside width, which the 30" number for deer usually comes from, is not even a part of the Boone and Crockett total inches calculation. Only the "inside" spread, between the deer's main beam is used to calculate the total inches. The same is true for elk.

http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/bc_scoring_pdfs.asp?area=bgRecords

A so called 30" buck may have an outside spread of 30" and inside spread of 22", if the main beams curl inward and the back beams, it's g2 or g3, tip outward. So, for conversation, he's a 30" buck, but for actually "trophy score", he's got a 22" spread. If that makes sense.

When sportsmen talk about the "inches" of an elk, they rarely ask about it's width, at least not until they've asked how long his mean beams, sword, brow, and thirds are. If he is unusually wide or unusually narrow, they might say, "how wide is that thing" ?


Every hunter sees things differently but in my mind, when I see 50" wide elk it looks very, very wide, a 43" to 46" looks normal, and a 36" or less looks pretty narrow.

If you do a google image search for "bull elk", you'll see wide, medium and narrow bulls. Not all really wide bulls are "trophy" sized.

For me, antler symmetry is more important than width or total inches. A coues deer with great symmetry is more of a trophy than a huge bull elk that is maybe 50" wide but is short beamed with stubby swords, short thirds and huge brow tines. But that's just my bias.

But to answer your question directly, I don't think elk antler width has the same value as deer antler width has, in the minds of most sportsmen.

DC

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joesikora
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Jan-10-17, 
11:05 PM (MST)
7. "RE: Might be a dumb question. "

NM there are no dumb question!
I think I remember seeing a field judging guide on the Elk Hunting 101 section on RMEF's website.
Try there and see if that's what you looking for!

Joe

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think their right" - 2001
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Jan-11-17, 
02:06 PM (MST)
8. "RE: Might be a dumb question. "

Please do not get "obsessed" with spelling either..

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Jan-11-17, 
04:23 PM (MST)
9. "RE: Might be a dumb question. "

LAST EDITED ON Jan-11-17 AT 04:24 PM (MST)

And please don't treat people LIKE A D$CK is another bad thing to do!

Joe

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think their right" - 2001
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Jan-11-17, 
09:14 PM (MST)
10. "RE: Might be a dumb question. "

Sorry Bill...

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Jan-12-17, 
08:13 AM (MST)
11. "RE: Might be a dumb question. "

>Spread does help a lot with
>score as long as the
>beam is there. I shot
>a bull in the bookcliffs
>that scores 360" and only
>has a 32" inside spread.
>If his width matched his
>beams he would push 380".
>

52" inside spread is HUGE!!!! I don't have the book but I would bet there are very few bulls in the book with a 52" inside spread.
outside spread does not count towards score....
Also, I think inside spread should not count towards score, it does not measure bone and is simply used to inflate a score.

Mntman

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Jan-22-17, 
07:33 PM (MST)
12. "RE: Might be a dumb question. "

You have to admit wide bulls look impressive though especially at first glance so I don't agree that it shouldn't count at all towards score. I've seen wide sheep and antelope that are impressive looking due to the way their horns sweep outward but since width doesn't count for these species it wouldn't have meant diddly squat towards their score. Guess that's why I don't pay much attention to scores.

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