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Apr-14-17, 
08:59 PM (MST)
"Newbie, hunting NM Unit 16b Rifle."

Hello everyone. I'm new to the forum, but somewhat new to hunting elk as well. I've gone elk hunting the last two years in NM Unit 53 with no luck. Not even a sighting.

This year I drew Unit 16b. I've never been down there and I curious if anyone would offer some help and tips. It would be greatly appreciated.

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 Subject   Author   Message Date   ID 
 RE: Newbie, hu...  TerynItUp      Apr-15-17   1 
  RE: Newbie, hu...  mikey250      Apr-15-17   2 
 RE: Newbie, hu...  scottr      Apr-15-17   3 
  RE: Newbie, hu...  mikey250      Apr-15-17   4 
   RE: Newbie, hu...  TerynItUp      Apr-16-17   5 
 RE: Newbie, hu...  scottr      Apr-16-17   6 
  RE: Newbie, hu...  mikey250      Apr-16-17   7 
 RE: Newbie, hu...  muleywhispe...      Apr-17-17   8 
  RE: Newbie, hu...  mikey250      Apr-18-17   9 
   RE: Newbie, hu...  BUGLEnmIN      Apr-18-17   10 
    RE: Newbie, hu...  mikey250      Apr-26-17   11 
     RE: Newbie, hu...  BUGLEnmIN      Apr-26-17   12 
      RE: Newbie, hu...  mikey250      Apr-26-17   13 

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TerynItUp
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Apr-15-17, 
04:49 PM (MST)
1. "RE: Newbie, hunting NM Unit 16b Rifle."

16B is a great place to have an elk tag. You are aware it is entirely wilderness area I assume? I have never hunted 16B before but I have done quite a bit of research. From what I have learned, there are elk just about all over the unit. Horses are an asset, especially in the early seasons when the temps are high.

What hunt do you have?

Hunt Hard. Shoot Straight. Kill Clean. Apologize to No One.

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mikey250
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Apr-15-17, 
08:02 PM (MST)
2. "RE: Newbie, hunting NM Unit 16b Rifle."

Thank you for the reply. By "entirely wilderness" do you mean thick and hilly and hard to hunt? I was trying to get away from that, which is what we dealt with in unit 53.

I don't mind hiking a bit, but we don't have horses or quads.

It looks like (on google earth) there are mostly just trails and hills. I think I read somewhere that most trailheads are packed and it can be hard to get away from other hunters.

I'll be pulling a 36ft travel trailer so, unfortunately, I might be restricted as to where we camp, but if there are trails that can be driven in a Jeep Cherokee, that will help.

1-247 is the hunt I drew. It's rifle in late October.

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Apr-15-17, 
08:15 PM (MST)
3. "RE: Newbie, hunting NM Unit 16b Rifle."

16B is almost entirely wilderness. Meaning your access is by hoof or foot. No atvs, no mountain bikes, nothing. Luckily there is some really good hunting within a couple miles of the boundaries. Even with that you might want to have some horses or mules on stand by if you score. I think it usually cost about $500 to get a bull pulled out. Which is well worth it.

BTW the Gila Wilderness is a truly special place. I hope you enjoy your hunt.

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mikey250
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Apr-15-17, 
08:20 PM (MST)
4. "RE: Newbie, hunting NM Unit 16b Rifle."

Thank you, Scott. I guess I'll pack my hiking boots. We're just a few city boys getting into hunting. I have hunted deer for several years. I'm a veteran infantryman and love the wilderness. I think we'll enjoy it. It's just a matter of learning how to hunt elk.

The more I learn through reading online, talking to others, and my own experiences, the more I realize there is no "surefire" way to hunt elk, but every tip helps.

You say "$500 to get a bull pulled out." Who pulls them out? Who is a point of contact for something like that?

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Apr-16-17, 
10:47 AM (MST)
5. "RE: Newbie, hunting NM Unit 16b Rifle."

LAST EDITED ON Apr-16-17 AT 10:48 AM (MST)

Biggest thing for that unit is to be prepared. You need to be prepared to hike into elk country each day, your jeep won't be of assistance. You also need to be prepared and have a plan for getting a bull packed out of there in the event that you all kill one. Every year bulls are killed and meat is lost in 16B because people don't have adequate plans to pack their bull out in a timely manner.

There are services you can contract to pack an elk out for you all if you kill one, which I hope you do! You can search in the NM forum for packing services in the Gila Wilderness and you will find plenty of resources.

Good luck to you guys.

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Apr-16-17, 
05:44 PM (MST)
6. "RE: Newbie, hunting NM Unit 16b Rifle."

Are you going to be able to do any scouting?

Towing that size trailer my limit some of your trail head options.

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mikey250
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Apr-16-17, 
06:39 PM (MST)
7. "RE: Newbie, hunting NM Unit 16b Rifle."

>Are you going to be able
>to do any scouting?
>
>Towing that size trailer my limit
>some of your trail head
>options.


Yes. I'm going to have to figure out if I want to go down from ABQ for a day or try to stay overnight and possibly drag the trailer down to test it out.

As far as dragging out a kill, I guess we'll just have to hoof it out by foot on several trips. We'll have a total of 4 able-bodied men to help pack out the meat, but I'm sure it'll still be a rough go. I guess only a few scouting trips and decent planning will tell us how rough it might be.

Would anybody happen to have intel on a start point or decent area? I'm not looking to get someone's secret spot or honeyhole, just somewhere to start with.

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Apr-17-17, 
10:39 AM (MST)
8. "RE: Newbie, hunting NM Unit 16b Rifle."

I've hunted the wilderness several times in the last few years. Here is the run down, huge country! There is deep canyons, smooth rolling hills, steep mountains and water everywhere. I hunt usually by foot but do take down 3-4 horses and mule's to pack with. Guides and outfitters like to believe they own certain areas and can be a nuisance but they can also be helpful when crap hits the fan! If you access from loco mountain down towards aeroplane Mesa and into the flying V there are good elk numbers and few hunters. This is wide open country and you can literally glass for miles. The problem is because it is so open the elk feed out of there quickly and move towards iron creak and into porcupine canyon and moonshine canyon. This area is good hunting and is down hill the whole way but when you head back, well you get it! Hanging cross canyon is also in the area and again is good hunting but you need to pack in its a few miles down there. U-trail outfitters hunts this area and will pack you in or out or pack out an elk if need be.

Another good access point is through Willow Creek. I believe San Francisco river outfitters uses this access point and can also pack you in. A bit steeper country but, real good hunting!

Beaverhead I never hunted but some giants came out of there last September.

Dang I'm writing a novel and not comment! Listen here is the key, the elk hunting is great unit wide, fitness is key, lots of walking if you don't have horses. Plan for all emergencies, zero cell coverage anywhere in the area with phones only on private ranches which are few and far between. I recommend you buy or lease an emergency communications device if your going in deep. Hang your food if packing in, lots of bears! And the damn wolves are not "curious", those basterds will attack unprovoked. Good luck and hope you kill a true Gila monster!

One last comment, my group of hunters that hunt unit 53 have gone 6-6 on bulls during the archery seasons up the the last 4 years. Not one of those elk were killed within 1.5 miles from the nearest road. If you don't like to hike this hunt in 16-B will suck, no roads or access by vehicle anywhere! Good luck!

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Apr-18-17, 
03:07 PM (MST)
9. "RE: Newbie, hunting NM Unit 16b Rifle."

Thank you so much for the information and tips. This is great to know. I wish I had done better research before I put in for that area, but we'll hunt it anyway.

Looks like we'll be doing some major walking.

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Apr-18-17, 
04:59 PM (MST)
10. "RE: Newbie, hunting NM Unit 16b Rifle."

>Thank you so much for the
>information and tips. This is
>great to know. I wish
>I had done better research
>before I put in for
>that area, but we'll hunt
>it anyway.
>
>Looks like we'll be doing some
>major walking.


Hello Mikey , I've cover that entire place from North to south east to west. Of course elk are there it's the Gila wilderness. As far as not having pack animals I'll tell you straight up that you're at a huge disadvantage. If you p.m. I can give you my number and talk on. The phone about good places to hunt on foot. As far as outfitters being a pain in the butt I can tell you it's the other way around!!! Time and time again I see elk completely wasted because people on foot ,or horseback do not know their limits and get in over their heads. Tom does run the best outfit in the Gila out of willow creek , but after the fires and floods those trails on the map no longer exist after a certain point because it looks like bombs went off in the canyons and the dead fall from the trees blowing down booby trap the others so be careful who you take advice from . Idk which hunt you drew or what your financial situation is but drop camps would be great . Any how if you'd like to chat p.m. me good luck.

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Apr-26-17, 
04:40 PM (MST)
11. "RE: Newbie, hunting NM Unit 16b Rifle."

Ok, so I've done some mapping and google earth research in the Loco Mountain area. I think this is a good start. I'll probably camp just north of the 16b boundary line and hike into the unit. How is this area after the fire?

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Apr-26-17, 
04:54 PM (MST)
12. "RE: Newbie, hunting NM Unit 16b Rifle."

>Ok, so I've done some mapping
>and google earth research in
>the Loco Mountain area. I
>think this is a good
>start. I'll probably camp just
>north of the 16b boundary
>line and hike into the
>unit. How is this area
>after the fire?


Mikey the area is fine!!! But everyone​and their momma will be there lol you got my number man ,if this is the area you're interested in I can get into more detail on areas close to it but less traffic.

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Apr-26-17, 
04:57 PM (MST)
13. "RE: Newbie, hunting NM Unit 16b Rifle."

Cool. I figured people would be all over it. I may hit you up again after a scouting weekend.

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