Hunting Blind/Waterhole Ethics

jjsilva

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You get to your favorite water hole and notice there is a blind setup. Ok someone beat you to it. So you settle to go check another water hole and there is a blind setup there also. We checked 5 water holes and each water hole either had a blind or a tree stand on them. After talking to other hunters I found out an outfitter placed them there and is not placing hunters in them everyday. Ethically is it right to setup a blind at the same water hole if you get to it earlier? I could have set my blind up a month ago but didn't think that was right. What do you guys think?
 
If they aren't sitting in it when you get there, go sit there yourself. I've got several spots when I put cams up on waterholes each year when the FS gates open up on the mountain. And every year someone will put up a cam on the same tree as mine by July. Then they go ahead and place a stand there right before the hunt. Yes it's a little irritating. I beat them in there for the year and they just go ahead and claim it as their own. So I'll sit their stand and hunt it if they aren't there that morning by the time I show up. On public land, when it comes to someone else's stand, it's first come first serve in my opinion. On the other side of things I have no issues with someone else sitting my stand when I'm not using it. Just leave it how you found it.
 
LOL! Great advice. I wont use their stand or blind but will beat them to the waterhole in the morning. I know I would be pissed if I had a blind setup and I get there and a hunter is sitting in it.
 
Set up your blind or treestand with your contact info on it. Explain that it's your stuff and what days you will be using it. Others are welcome to use it as long as they treat with respect and don't use it on the days you are going to.

As long as other folks are decent humans, this usually works pretty good.
 
Tough question but on public land, any blind or stand placed is LEGAL (if i'm not mistaken) for anyone to use. Placing a blind or stand or cam on a water hole doesn't claim it for anyone. It's still first come first serve each day. Just depends on how much crap you want to take from another hunter who gets there feeling like you're "in their spot." I've walked up to water holes before and midday for a sit and have to back out when I notice someone sitting on it already. I generally glass them from a distance to be sure i'm not ruining anyone's hunt when I walk in.
 
My belief is people should be considerate of others and that goes both ways. On public land I have to be willing to change my plans if I encounter others. That said---

People can not leave something in an area (cam, stand, blind) and expect that to reserve the area for their use. If someone places a blind and says they are going to hunt x-xx-xxxx days, it still does not "reserve" their spot for those days. It is public land- not who claimed it first. I've seen people post signs that they are going to hunt a water hole for the whole season. It doesn't work that way. It really is not first come first served (although I think it should be), but it is all come all served.

Here is a Public Land stance from Idaho--
www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/documents/files/Hunting_Blinds.pdf
 
yea F them.

I once used an outfitters wall tent, propane and heater on a backpack hunt for 3 days. After 2 days of no one using it I moved in. Sure was nice to sleep on a cot and fire up that heater every morning.

They set up the wall tent on the only water source on the mountain that elk were using daily.
 
Great advice! This is exactly why I wanted to post this. That's the down fall of hunting public land. Do you guys have any stories of situations where you beat someone to a waterhole and had an encounter?
 
>If they aren't sitting in it
>when you get there, go
>sit there yourself. I've got
>several spots when I put
>cams up on waterholes each
>year when the FS gates
>open up on the mountain.
>And every year someone will
>put up a cam on
>the same tree as mine
>by July. Then they go
>ahead and place a stand
>there right before the hunt.
>Yes it's a little irritating.
>I beat them in there
>for the year and they
>just go ahead and claim
>it as their own. So
>I'll sit their stand and
>hunt it if they aren't
>there that morning by the
>time I show up. On
>public land, when it comes
>to someone else's stand, it's
>first come first serve in
>my opinion. On the other
>side of things I have
>no issues with someone else
>sitting my stand when I'm
>not using it. Just leave
>it how you found it.
>
This is not the way to handle that . I set mblinds out early not to stake claim but to be prepared should i wnat to be on that hole. IF i walked up and some dude was actively in my treestand or my ground blind it would not end well for anyone you dont touch othere peoplse ##### period . Id crack a jaw or two no questions asked if i walked up and you are sitting in my stand . dont see how that could end well
 
> Do you
>guys have any stories of
>situations where you beat someone
>to a waterhole and had
>an encounter?

Way too many over the years to even comprehend.

Any time there's an encounter with other hunter in the field, it's not going to end well. The best one could hope for is a short shouting match punctuated with cuss words and threats. It only escalates from there.

This is another reason I hate blinds and stands almost as much as those f'ing trail cams. People whiz on a spot and think it's theirs for the season!

Zeke

#livelikezac
 
>>If they aren't sitting in it
>>when you get there, go
>>sit there yourself. I've got
>>several spots when I put
>>cams up on waterholes each
>>year when the FS gates
>>open up on the mountain.
>>And every year someone will
>>put up a cam on
>>the same tree as mine
>>by July. Then they go
>>ahead and place a stand
>>there right before the hunt.
>>Yes it's a little irritating.
>>I beat them in there
>>for the year and they
>>just go ahead and claim
>>it as their own. So
>>I'll sit their stand and
>>hunt it if they aren't
>>there that morning by the
>>time I show up. On
>>public land, when it comes
>>to someone else's stand, it's
>>first come first serve in
>>my opinion. On the other
>>side of things I have
>>no issues with someone else
>>sitting my stand when I'm
>>not using it. Just leave
>>it how you found it.
>>
>This is not the way to
>handle that . I set
>mblinds out early not to
>stake claim but to be
>prepared should i wnat to
>be on that hole. IF
>i walked up and some
>dude was actively in my
>treestand or my ground blind
>it would not end well
>for anyone you dont touch
>othere peoplse ##### period .
>Id crack a jaw or
>two no questions asked if
>i walked up and you
>are sitting in my stand
>. dont see how that
>could end well
Then be prepared to pack your ##### in and out of that area every day, cuz if I find it not being used and it's a spot I'm interested in hunting, I'm sitting there. There's no sense in having 13 treestands hung on one wallow that 13 different guys plan on hunting. It's public land. If you leave your ##### out for others to see, don't be mad when someone else uses it. Or I could pull the stand out and pack it out because I don't like to see people leave litter in our mountains. Either way I'm legal on either option. And then you'd like to throw in assault charges on top of that as well? Ya, you sound like what a true sportsman should act like when hunting on public land. You seem like one of those guys who would get mad about someone shooting "your" deer you've scouted out all summer but someone beat you to him
 
>>If they aren't sitting in it
>>when you get there, go
>>sit there yourself. I've got
>>several spots when I put
>>cams up on waterholes each
>>year when the FS gates
>>open up on the mountain.
>>And every year someone will
>>put up a cam on
>>the same tree as mine
>>by July. Then they go
>>ahead and place a stand
>>there right before the hunt.
>>Yes it's a little irritating.
>>I beat them in there
>>for the year and they
>>just go ahead and claim
>>it as their own. So
>>I'll sit their stand and
>>hunt it if they aren't
>>there that morning by the
>>time I show up. On
>>public land, when it comes
>>to someone else's stand, it's
>>first come first serve in
>>my opinion. On the other
>>side of things I have
>>no issues with someone else
>>sitting my stand when I'm
>>not using it. Just leave
>>it how you found it.
>>
>This is not the way to
>handle that . I set
>mblinds out early not to
>stake claim but to be
>prepared should i wnat to
>be on that hole. IF
>i walked up and some
>dude was actively in my
>treestand or my ground blind
>it would not end well
>for anyone you dont touch
>othere peoplse ##### period .
>Id crack a jaw or
>two no questions asked if
>i walked up and you
>are sitting in my stand
>. dont see how that
>could end well


Fair question for you then, Jawbreaker. If setting a blind or stand early isn't staking claim, and stating you'd go nuts if someone was in it, then what would you call it? Attitudes like yours are what gets abandoned blinds and stands hucked out in the trees.
 
This year, in my AZ 13B archery deer hunt, there were 3 blinds set up by the local outfitter on waterholes well before the season. It actually makes sense as the deer have time to get used to them. I drove by one of these on day 2 at about 5 pm, and a hand came out of the blind. I left that area alone and kept driving. I wanted to sit that site, and 8 days into the season, there client was tagged out on a beautiful 200+ inch buck. I knew they weren't sitting it as I ran into the client, and, I sat on a hill and watched an absolute giant water at the site. So, I threw my blind up. First morning, at about 9:30, a guide came by to take down their blind. He didn't know I was sitting it, and was very apologetic about the encounter. I said "You just gave me an excuse to get out a half an hour early". We both laughed, and I helped him take down the blind. I set mine up where theirs was, and ended up killing a 32" deer the next morning. Point is, if you approach them BEFORE a potentially bad encounter, be reasonable, talk to the owner of the blind, there shouldn't be any problems. In my case, I knew they weren't using it as NOBODY would pass the deer I saw on it, and although I didn't contact them before the hunt, I didn't go near the site until I knew it wouldn't screw up somebodies hunt. After I shot my buck, I went to their camp as I had pushed my buck on the retrieval, and I wanted to review the footage, and my sd card reader didn't work on my computer. They congratulated me, fed me, and we watched the excellent footage. Everyone agreed it was a fatal shot and I retrieved my buck the next morning.
 
I believe blinds are first come first serve. Last year in D on my wife's hunt we found a blind in my "honey hole tank" and we sat and enjoyed it. An guide/hunter came and we talked and they asked if we would move..... we said no. Even though it was their blind as before stated it is public land. Don't leave it if you don't expect someone to use it. I pay taxes just like they do to enjoy the great outdoors don't get your panties in a bunch if someone is in your blind. You left it there it's everyone's for the taking. I've sat in plenty of tree stands and blinds. I actually plan on taking new straps to where I'm packing in that has a stand because a few years ago it was pretty sketchy
 
My Blind is No Different than My Tent/Camp Trailer!

I Catch you in any of them You'll Get Your Ass Throwed Out!:D









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Oh!

Do You wanna Sit on My Bait as Well?








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Have a friend who set up his tree stand the day before season opener. Next morning he went in before dark and had a guy already in it. Guy wouldn't leave and got real ugly about it. My friend went back to truck, exchanged bow for chain saw. Guy came down before he was halfway thru, and left in a fury. Finished cutting down the tree and removed his stand!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-09-17 AT 10:20PM (MST)[p]>Have a friend who set up
>his tree stand the day
>before season opener. Next morning
>he went in before dark
>and had a guy already
>in it. Guy wouldn't
>leave and got real ugly
>about it. My friend went
>back to truck, exchanged bow
>for chain saw. Guy came
>down before he was halfway
>thru, and left in a
>fury. Finished cutting down the
>tree and removed his stand!!!
>


I'm about 100% sure cutting down a tree on public lands is Illegal without a license to do so... probably even more so when there's someone's safety involved in the whole thing. it's amazing how far people are willing to dig themselves into a hole by committing illegal acts to prove a point to someone who is well within their legal rights to use abandoned property they find on public lands. Some people... smh.
 
So?

Where Is Personal Property Separated by being Abandoned because the Owner is not Sitting in it?

Get Your Own GAWD-DAMNED Blind/Tree Stand & Set them up Side by Side if need be!

But Stop Screwin with other peoples Ssshhiittt!

Bet when that Chainsaw Fired Up it Got His F'N Attention!

LMMFAO!!!:D:D:D









Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!


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1st come 1st served has been in play for more years then the last part putting mutli stands several waterholes then only hunting out of one of them.
If I get there 1st I will use your stuff. NOW if you don't want me to use it, I WILL BE HAPPY to remove it for you.
You can pick it up the trail from the waterhole.
It not hard to understand 1st one there has a spot 2nd and 3rd guys need to move on to different spot.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
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LAST EDITED ON Sep-10-17 AT 09:35AM (MST)[p]>So?
>
>Where Is Personal Property Separated by
>being Abandoned because the Owner
>is not Sitting in it?
>
>



About 48 or 72 (I can't remember which) hours after it's been left by the owner and has not returned within that time frame. I guess if the owner returns a week or so later, that clock starts over. But you'd be hard pressed to be able to "prove" you've been returning within that time frame every time before it ran out again. It's a an extreme uphill battle you'd never win.

Legally, and correct me if im wrong, if I were to discover an old tree stand, and start hunting it every day, I would assume that at that point I would be the legal owner of it? It's been "abandoned" by someone and then I find it and start using/claiming it? Would it be more mine than theirs at that point? I've been the one tending to the site and equipment within the set time frame. Not the person who set it there...
 
Touchy subject... I agree that it's first come first serve. If someone else is there, I'm backing out. If I'm sittin and someone else comes walkin in they had better turn around. I'm not sure how I feel about someone using my blind, tent, camper, tree stand, truck, sleeping bag, gear, if I leave it somewhere for days/ Weeks. I hate negatively charged encounters while hunting. Leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth. I'll have to think about how I feel about using other people's blinds and tree stands.
 
>>If they aren't sitting in it
>>when you get there, go
>>sit there yourself. I've got
>>several spots when I put
>>cams up on waterholes each
>>year when the FS gates
>>open up on the mountain.
>>And every year someone will
>>put up a cam on
>>the same tree as mine
>>by July. Then they go
>>ahead and place a stand
>>there right before the hunt.
>>Yes it's a little irritating.
>>I beat them in there
>>for the year and they
>>just go ahead and claim
>>it as their own. So
>>I'll sit their stand and
>>hunt it if they aren't
>>there that morning by the
>>time I show up. On
>>public land, when it comes
>>to someone else's stand, it's
>>first come first serve in
>>my opinion. On the other
>>side of things I have
>>no issues with someone else
>>sitting my stand when I'm
>>not using it. Just leave
>>it how you found it.
>>
>This is not the way to
>handle that . I set
>mblinds out early not to
>stake claim but to be
>prepared should i wnat to
>be on that hole. IF
>i walked up and some
>dude was actively in my
>treestand or my ground blind
>it would not end well
>for anyone you dont touch
>othere peoplse ##### period .
>Id crack a jaw or
>two no questions asked if
>i walked up and you
>are sitting in my stand
>. dont see how that
>could end well

I like the Idaho regulations. Leave your blind up and its fair game. Some water holes there may be only one good site for a blind. So should I take your down and put mine up if I want to hunt that spot. Can't have it both ways.
 
I'M IN YOUR TREE STAND!!!

Why Yes!

I'm in your Tree Stand!

WTF You gonna do about it?



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Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!


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RE: I'M IN YOUR TREE STAND!!!

> Why Yes!
>
>I'm in your Tree Stand!
>
>WTF You gonna do about it?
>
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>Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650
>is a Little Close &
>I'm Not Comfortable with it!
>
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>A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards
>will Still Make Some Good
>BRAGGIN Rights so I Can
>Say I At Least Hit
>Him!
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90087hankjr.jpg


Dude, thats a funny pic. Hopefully you left the crown in your blind come friday.
 
That is where you are wrong there is a difference of beating a person to a spot and using their equipment . If you beat me to a spot and my blind is there fine so be it , however sitting in ones and using ones personal property is a different story. you could sit the tank i dont care but all you fools saying go anhead and use the blind to is just nuts . i set my blind so i have cover concealment that is my reason not to stake a claim . i think its foolish to say im gonna sit in someone else blind that is their property big differnece so yes stead fast that if you are on my personal stuff or using something that belongs to another person that you have no right to use then who is the one being unethical ? nothing wrong with setting a blind or tree stand early at all it also allows the animals to gte used to them but using one that inst yours not ok by any stretch of the imagination
 
>So?
>
>Where Is Personal Property Separated by
>being Abandoned because the Owner
>is not Sitting in it?
>
>
>Get Your Own GAWD-DAMNED Blind/Tree Stand
>& Set them up Side
>by Side if need be!
>
>
>But Stop Screwin with other peoples
>Ssshhiittt!
>
>Bet when that Chainsaw Fired Up
>it Got His F'N Attention!
>
>
>LMMFAO!!!:D:D:D
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>Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650
>is a Little Close &
>I'm Not Comfortable with it!
>
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>A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards
>will Still Make Some Good
>BRAGGIN Rights so I Can
>Say I At Least Hit
>Him!
>
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x2 im with you 1000% sit the pond sit next to the blind to but invade and use personal property of another person is a no no that is the problem with people they think they are entilited to use it . sit the pond i dont care
if i come in and you are sitting next to my blind ill pack my blind , make a lil noise then leave cause most likely that average joe ruined the tank anyway .
 
>Touchy subject... I agree that it's
>first come first serve. If
>someone else is there, I'm
>backing out. If I'm sittin
>and someone else comes walkin
>in they had better turn
>around. I'm not sure how
>I feel about someone using
>my blind, tent, camper, tree
>stand, truck, sleeping bag, gear,
>if I leave it somewhere
>for days/ Weeks. I hate
>negatively charged encounters while hunting.
>Leaves a bad taste in
>everyone's mouth. I'll have to
>think about how I feel
>about using other people's blinds
>and tree stands.
i think this is the brunt of the problem if the hunter sees the car parked at the gate ext to access the hunting area its obvious or likely someone is already there that is th epart that chaps my ass they would rather hutn an area that is covered then back out and go to option two that is the frustrating part for hunters is they know your there and still cruise on in with the razors and what not two hunters chasing the same herd gotaa love that
 
I think if it is on public, then first come first serve should be the law (you are allowed to hunt anyoneelses stand or blind) and a 1000 people should be allowed to hunt the same water hole at the same time. That is basically the definition of open to the public!

Ethically though, I think sportsman should try and figure out what works best for everyone. I like the idea of you only hunt your equipment, but the problem I see in my equipment is not your equipment sort of argument is what if there is only one tree or one good spot for a blind, what is the 2nd person supposed to do? I think we as sportsman should do a good job trying to work things out with notes and schedule and not using each other's equipment, but we also should know that it is legal to do so and respect someone's decision that interprets the law to be able to use your equipment. If you don't want someone using it, then carry it in each day.

What if there are 10 blinds and 10 tree stands on one hole, is that a good thing or would it be better if there were just one and the first there uses it? If it is public land, then I could be sitting in a blind and someone could actually pop one up right in front of me and sit in it and all I could see was their backside.
 
I rarely hunt out of blinds or tree stands but I would not be offended if I found another sportsmen sitting in a blind that I left on public land. I personally would not hunt out of someone else's blind but that is just me.

I always try to be polite and resonable in dealing with others. If another sportsman is being rude or agressive just move on and hunt elsewhere. Nothing positive comes from a fight, especially when one or both of you are packing weapons.

-Hawkeye-
 
>i think this is the brunt
>of the problem if the
>hunter sees the car parked
>at the gate ext to
>access the hunting area its
>obvious or likely someone is
>already there that is th
>epart that chaps my ass
>they would rather hutn an
>area that is covered then
>back out and go to
>option two that is the
>frustrating part for hunters is
>they know your there and
>still cruise on in with
>the razors and what not
>two hunters chasing the same
>herd gotaa love that

That's comical you think most have a back up plan, "option 2", or plan B. Hell most guys don't even have a plan A until opening morning! Then most of the time they just go where all the guys before them go, cuz surely "they know something we don't..."
 
>I believe blinds are first come
>first serve. Last year in
>D on my wife's hunt
>we found a blind in
>my "honey hole tank" and
>we sat and enjoyed it.
>An guide/hunter came and we
>talked and they asked if
>we would move..... we said
>no. Even though it was
>their blind as before stated
>it is public land. Don't
>leave it if you don't
>expect someone to use it.
>I pay taxes just like
>they do to enjoy the
>great outdoors don't get your
>panties in a bunch if
>someone is in your blind.
>You left it there it's


>everyone's for the taking. I've
>sat in plenty of tree
>stands and blinds. I actually
>plan on taking new straps
>to where I'm packing in
>that has a stand because
>a few years ago it
>was pretty sketchy
U pay taxes to enjoy the great outdoors not to use something someone else paid for that applies for anything thing that is personal property because your car is parked in a public parking lot and i pay taxes does that mean i am free to open the tailgate and take a seat ? or to lean on it cause its in public domain?
 
So does the blind issue differ from waterholes to potholes. I see a lot of personal property left in the marsh. Yet no one seems to squabble if those blinds are public or not.
 

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