Thanks Trigger Happy for the info.Are you from the Utica area? I've heard that there are places to hunt, and that people will let you hunt if you ask, and follow the rules. We were going to go with an outfitter, but we found out later that he runs a shady operation, as far as telling the truth, so we thought we may try hunting on our own. I talked to a hunter from salt lake, and he had been there a couple of times before, and said the people were very friendly, and they had no problem finding places to bird hunt. Hopefully we can keep in touch and any information would be appreciated. thankyou,Rick...