Blackhorn 209

Muley_Slayer

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Does anyone out there know for sure if it is still illegal to use Blackhorn 209 in Nevada?
I love the way it shoots in my gun, I have researched it and even email the Nevada department of wildlife.
They emailed this to me but it gives no clear cut yes or no answer.

NAC 503.142  Hunting big game mammal with firearm. (NRS 501.105, 501.181, 503.150)  The Commission hereby establishes the following exceptions to paragraph (b) of subsection 1 of NRS 503.150:

1.  During a type of hunt that is restricted to muzzle-loading firearms, a person may hunt a big game mammal only with a muzzle-loading rifle or muzzle-loading musket, and may use only a lead ball, a lead bullet, a semi-jacketed bullet or a metal alloy bullet that expands. The use of smokeless powder is prohibited. Only black powder or a black powder substitute such as Pyrodex or Triple 7 may be used as a propellant. A sabot round may be used. The muzzle-loading rifle or muzzle-loading musket must have the following characteristics:

(a) A wheel lock, matchlock or flintlock ignition system, or a percussion ignition system that uses a primer or percussion cap;

(b) A single barrel of caliber .45 or larger; and

(c) Except as otherwise provided in NAC 503.146, open sights or peep sights. The use of a sight that is operated or powered by a battery, electronics or a radioactive isotope such as tritium is prohibited.

? The muzzle-loading rifle or the muzzle-loading musket is deemed to be not loaded if the priming compound or element, such as the priming powder or the unfired primer or percussion cap, is removed.

2.  During a type of hunt that is restricted to muzzle-loading firearms, it is unlawful for a person hunting under the authority of a tag for such a hunt to carry in the field a firearm or longbow and arrow except for:

(a) A muzzle-loading rifle or a muzzle-loading musket with the characteristics set forth in subsection 1; or

(b) A flintlock or percussion handgun. However, it is unlawful to use such a handgun to hunt a big game mammal.

3.  During a type of hunt in which the use of any legal weapon is authorized by a regulation of the Commission, a person may hunt a big game mammal with a muzzle-loading rifle or muzzle-loading musket only if:

(a) The muzzle-loading rifle or muzzle-loading musket has:

(1) A single barrel of caliber .45 or larger; and

(2) Open sights, peep sights or a rifle scope.

(b) The person uses a lead ball, a lead bullet, a semi-jacketed bullet or a metal alloy bullet that expands. A sabot round may be used.

? The muzzle-loading rifle or muzzle-loading musket is deemed to be not loaded if the priming compound or element, such as the priming powder or the unfired primer or percussion cap, is removed.

4.  A person may hunt big game mammals with a rifle if the rifle uses a centerfire cartridge of caliber .22 or larger.

5.  A person may hunt big game mammals with a handgun if the handgun uses a centerfire cartridge, has a barrel length of 4 inches or more and:

(a) Uses a cartridge of caliber .22 or larger with an overall loaded length of 2 inches or more; or

(b) Uses a cartridge of caliber .24 or larger with a case of length no less than the length of the case of a cartridge for a Remington magnum of caliber .44.

6.  A person may hunt deer and mountain lion with a shotgun no larger than 10 gauge and no smaller than 20 gauge. Only rifled slugs or shotgun rounds with sabots that contain a single expanding projectile may be used when hunting deer. A shotgun that is used to hunt deer or mountain lion pursuant to this subsection may be equipped with a smoothbore barrel or a barrel that is partially or fully rifled.

[Bd. of Fish & Game Comm?rs, No. 25 ? 6, eff. 12-4-79 + No. 26 ? 6, eff. 12-4-79, A 5-12-80]?(NAC A by Bd. of Wildlife Comm?rs, 9-19-90; R155-97, 3-2-98; R176-03, 4-8-2004; R093-05, 10-31-2005; R185-05, 2-23-2006; R138-09, 4-20-2010)
 
If you are looking for a clear cut yes/no I doubt you will find one. Since the department sent you the regs they don't know. It's an easy way out. They don't want to say "no its not legal" or "yes it is legal". They leave it open to determination. Since BH209 is not a true smokeless powder, I translate it as yes it is legal. Look at the facts:
1. It is a black powder substitute.
2. It is measured by volume.
3. It does not build pressure like smokeless powders. I shoot a couple smokeless powder muzzleloaders. BH209 does not build pressure like smokeless.

Plus, I seriously doubt anyone really cares what you use in your rifle as long as its a muzzleloader. We have similar regs here in New Mexico that state no smokeless powder. Here BH209 is legal. I have spoken with a few members of NMG&F and some of them actually use it in ML season. So in my opinion (for what that's worth) you're ok to use it.
 
I agree it SHOULD be legal. I have a friend that had a 021 muzzy deer tag last year, maybe the year before. AFTER the draw, he received either a letter, or an e-mail that BH 209 was not legal in Nevada. They cited that it was smokeless. I'd already given him a load I got from FrontierGander several years before that worked well in my gun. He'd shot that load, was happy with it and bought several cans of BH 209.

BUT things change all of the time so who knows now.

Surprised you didn't get a clearer response. If I was you I'd print out my question (is BH 209 legal?) and their response that doesn't say it is, put them with my tag and license and go hunting.
 
I got the same letter in 2011. I doubt it has changed....so I would go with the safer option and shoot another powder.
 
I would check further. Utah first declared it illegal and then reversed themselves. Write them another email telling them you need an yes or no answer, because the regs do not spell it out.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Thanks for the help, NDOW will not give a clear and simple answer so I decided to go with my back-up round, 777 and harvester scorpian bullets, shot the other day and grouped quite well. 777 does leave alot more residue in the barrel though. I had to clean the barrel after 4 or 5 shots.
Good luck to you all this year!
 
Just got off the phone with a tech at blackhorn and he said it absolutely is legal in Nevada now.
 

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