lyman 57smet sight. what guns do they fit?

brokenneck · Nov 3, 2013

I bought aT/C northwest explorer when I bought the sight. When I took them to the gun Smith, he told me they wouldn't fit. So I sold the gun.
The gun needs to be Washington/Oregon/Colorado legal. Open ignition is a must.
I will draw a great elk tag next year so I'm starting now! I really want a gun with high quality sights.

Is WHITE the only brand it fits? If so, would you recommend the white tail hunter or the 91?

My experience with the regular open sights has been that 100 yards is getting to a maximum range, simply because the front sight covers the whole animal. If I can set up and practice all year, and feel confident at 200,I will be super happy . In fact, if I was confident at 150,I will feel that my work was well worth it.

Thanks for your input

foundation · Nov 3, 2013

That is the sight I have on one of my super 91's. Cant help on the question if it will fit other guns.

I have a couple of super 91's that I love and have owned a couple of the whitetails also. I just sold my last whitetail a month ago because I prefer the super 91. They are getting harder to find so if I was in your shoes I wouldn't turn down a whitetail but I would try for a 91.

Just my two cents.

Idahoron · Nov 3, 2013

Doesn't the Whitetail have a cheep wood stock that is prone to break? Ron

foundation · Nov 3, 2013

The whitetail does have a wood stock. The last one I had was flat gorgeous with the laminated wood. I have heard that those stocks are prone to breaking all though I have never seen it.

The whitetail also has a shorter barrel for the most part. I have heard there was a few variants with the longer barrel. Also the whitetail has a plastic trigger guard.

COLOelkman · Dec 13, 2013

LAST EDITED ON Dec-14-13 AT 05:51AM (MST)[p]Per their website, the 57 or 66 are made for certain rifles and do not fit many other muzzys unless you want to have it drilled and tapped which is what I'm thinking of doing.

http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/sights/

I emailed Lyman last week asking if they might ever make them to fit other rifles (like Knights which is my interest) and they said no plans but they'd send the idea to marketing.

I think the Williams rear peep seems to be the main adjustable peep I've been able to find that fits more variety of guns.

gonehuntn · Jan 6, 2014

Brokeneck, not sure if you've already bought a new muzzy but the lyman deer stalker and great plains are both good guns, both come in .50 or .54 cal and the lyman 57 screws right on.

gonehuntn · Jan 6, 2014

Sorry didn't see you had the smet sight was thinking the 57 tang sight.

Idahoron · Jan 7, 2014

I think he need to look at the Lyman Great plans hunter. It has a fast twist and like you said the Peep just screws on and the Globe sight fits right on. I would add a set of Lee Shavers inserts and a recoil pad and go to work with the Paper Patched bullets. Ron

Califelkslayer · Feb 15, 2014

LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-14 AT 01:29PM (MST)[p]Brokeneck, You past 100 yards comment lends me to believe you need to go to a 6 O'clock hold.

I'm the first to admit I'm not the best open sight shooter but in "09" when I drew NV bull tag I planned on getting an adjustable peep for my Accura. I mounted a scope to work up the most accurate load possible. Then, before I ordered a peep, I tried the factory sight just because it was already on the gun. I didn't like the large front sight but "It's on the gun, lets do one session with it."

I was shooting 2" groups at 100 yards off of a rest, probably as good as I can shoot any gun with open sights. I had adjusted the sights so the bullseye was just over the center of the front blade @ 100 yards. I then aimed at the bullseye @ 200 and had 10"s of drop, but 4" groups. @ 250 I dropped another 13". I decided I had a 250 yard gun, hold dead on @ 100, high shoulder @ 200 and just over the back @ 250.

I'm not saying don't get an adjustable cause I'll have one for my next hunt. I'm just saying to use a 6 O'clock hold which never covers your intended point of impact.

I sighted my old gun in dead on, point of impact behind the front sight years ago on a Nevada buck hunt and shot all over the place, with lots younger eyes.

Just food for thought

Califelkslayer · Feb 15, 2014

I meant 250 yard gun.

brokenneck · Feb 16, 2014

Thanks for the reply' s guys!
Since posting this,I have purchased a white muzzy ,triple 7powder,2different weighted "no excuses" bullets, and plane to shoot the crap out of this gun as soon as the snow goes away.

My plan is to work up my load with a scope on the gun then one I get it, mount my peep. I've definitely decided to try and relearn to shoot with the 6o'clock hold. Either way,I can't wait!

I have both the 465 and the 495 gr bullets, but my plan is to start with 100 grains of 777 behind the 465's and see what happens.If zone has any other recommendations, I'm all ears!

marley · Feb 17, 2014

PYRODEX P

Idahoron · Feb 18, 2014

I will second Pyrodex P. And Add paper patched Lee 500 S&W bullets shoot awesome. Ron

brokenneck · Feb 22, 2014

Well, here I go to learn again lol

So-in I thought 777 was the no brainer because it burns so clean?
When I shot pyrodex powder 5 years ago, but switched because I had to clean every 3rd shot. The triple 7 let me shot 5, and usually 6 times before swabbing.

That said, I'm ALL EARS! What is the reason to go back?

Idahoron · Feb 23, 2014

The crud ring in the bottom with T7 was bad enough to almost strip the paper off my bullets. A friend was using T7 in his TC white mountain carbine and he used a 100 grain load with a 460 gr bullet and it cracked the stock. I tried a lot of different powder weights with mine but never got a group that matched Pyrodex P. I have shot acceptable sub 2" groups with a peep sight with Pyrodex P and some of those were 5 shot groups no cleaning. In reality though with my paper patched bullets I have never had to shoot a second time so how many times a guy can shoot a dirty gun only helps if your gun can't hit what it is pointed at on the first shot. Ron

ElmerFudd · Feb 26, 2014

You could put a good receiver sight on most any muzzleloader. With the gun shouldered the receiver sights for the Mauser (M in SMET) go on the right side of the receiver, the ones for the old Winchesters and Remingtons go on the left. You may have to drill and tap the receiver. The radius of curvature may not match your receiver, you could shim if not, maybe even make a shim with epoxy bedding compound. Honestly, back in receiver sight's heyday, they made better receiver sights than the 57. The Lyman 48 was awesome, so were the better target grade Redfield's. You could likely still get one on ebay or gunbroker. Repeatable clicks are important in shooting long range. The 1/4 moa is dependent on sight radius, but you can figure out clicks for whatever range and the target grade receiver sight is the best long range setup you can get without a scope.