New conical from Federal

FrontierGander

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Carlos posted this over at my place. Looks like a pretty neat design and copper to boot. Almost reminds me of an air bag in the way it balloons outward like that.
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What are the specs on the bullet, and when will it be available to the general public? Pretty impressive mushroom, but I have to wonder how many they shot and into what medium before they got one that was perfect enough for their advance promo...
 
Federal Premium Launching New, Revolutionary Muzzleloader Bullet Design
Federal Premium is striving to redefine modern in-line performance with its new Trophy Copper Muzzleloader bullet, which features one of the company's latest innovations: the B.O.R. Lock MZ system.
By NRA Staff (RSS)

The 143rd NRA Annual Meetings & Exhibits are just days away, and the first new product we've heard about could prove to be revolutionary. Federal Premium Ammunition is striving to redefine modern in-line performance with its new Trophy Copper muzzleloader bullet, which features one of the company's latest innovations: the B.O.R. Lock MZ system.
Designed to provide top-notch accuracy in a non-sabot design that's easy to load, scrubs fouling from the breech and ensures consistent bullet seating, the B.O.R. Lock MZ system's foundation is a polymer cup that's permanently attached to the bullet base. Yes, you read that right?it stays attached. This isn't a sabot, but it's not a belted bullet, either. The force of ignition pushes the cup forward onto raised bands along the bullet shank, expanding its diameter. That engages the rifling and seals the bore, optimizing velocity and accuracy.

?B.O.R. stands for ?Bullet Obturating Ramp.? The walls of the polymer cup get pushed up and out, into the rifling,? said Bryan Peterson, Federal Premium?s Senior Product Development Engineer. ?You get an excellent seal?and that means better ballistics and downrange performance.?
The design is meant to serve as Federal's effort to develop a completely new class of projectile.
?The time was right. We weren't going to get into the muzzleloader market with the same sort of bullet designs that have been around for decades,? said Mike Holm, Ammunition Product Line Manager for Federal Premium. ?Instead, we used our 90-plus years of ammunition manufacturing expertise to create something special?something that would let muzzleloaders hunt legally in more places, with better accuracy, dependability and ease. It's a true 200-yard muzzleloader bullet.?
The rear of the B.O.R. Lock MZ cup features a hard, fiber-reinforced polymer ring that scours fouling from the breech as the bullet is pushed into place. The ring is designed to decrease the need to clean between shots, and should make it easy to seat each bullet in the exact same depth every time.
Like other projectiles in the Trophy Copper line, the copper-alloy bullet features a polymer tip, with a deep, hollow cavity and skiving that allows for consistent expansion.

Features Include:
? Will initially be available as 50 caliber, 270 grain bullet
? B.O.R. Lock MZ System: Expanding polymer base cup engages rifling and seals the bore for extraordinary velocity and accuracy

? Non-sabot design is approved for hunting in most areas
? Trophy Copper bullet features a polymer tip, with a deep, hollow cavity and skiving that ensures consistent expansion
? High ballistic coefficient flattens trajectories and minimizes wind drift
? Required loading force averages about half that of most sabots
? Fouling-cutting ring scours powder residue from the breech as the bullet is loaded, resulting in consistent seating and reducing the need to clean between shots.

15-pack units of the new projectile are expected to ship with an MSRP of $24.95.
For more information, go to FederalPremium.com.


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I would like to think these are Colorado legal but I have my doubts. I would be a nice option over powerbelts.

I would like to see a heavier weight though.
 
Looks interesting. I sent the link to the Colorado DOW and asked them if they had heard of it yet, and if it would be legal. I will let you know what they say.

I suspect they will come out with other sizes if it goes over well, but the 270 is about as all around a size for a copper bullet as you could make. Flat shooting, but should be big enough to take an elk if pushed pretty fast.

But that is the rub. The hornady 350 with 90-95 gr of powder is plenty for elk. What would you have to use with the 270? Probably in the neighborhood of 100 gr would be plenty, but I am not enough of a ballistics guy to say

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Gander, I respect your opinion so, HAVE YOU OBTAINED ANY OF THESE? And if so, have you shot them yet?

Next time I get a muzzy tag I planned on experimenting with Thors. This might be as good, or better.
 
Here's a dumb question. I have always been told that the fiberglass ramrods would wear the sides of your barrel. Won't their fiberglass base do the same? This so call fact came from the ol' long time rendezvous boys who shot all the time.
 
Sign me up it looks like a great idea, and yes being from nonlead Califoney an all copper like this might just be the answer for stupidity. Well not the answer but an answer. :)
 
Gander, back in the old days, how would a fellow 'fresh out' his barrel? Re-tread the end of the barrel near the crown? Wondering how they did it way back when. Thanks. Cow Tag
 
So is everyone in agreement that this should be Colorado legal, looks like a good fit for a mule deer load.
 
No, not convinced it will be legal yet.

I think it would be a decent elk bulle due to monolithic nature and mushrooming front. Remains to be seen though

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
FrontierGander Quote:
"everything will wear your bore if you are rubbing it along the sides of the muzzle. In the old days, old barrels had to be freshed out every other season due to constant rubbing with the WOOD ramrod at the muzzle."

Gander, That's interesting. I've been muzzleloading since the early 70's and that's a new one on me. I've heard of the frontiersmen shooting the barrel out and the steel ends of the ramrod wearing the barrel, but never wood. the glass in fiberglass is nothing more than silica sand and "flint" wears steel. Maybe the fiberglass base does not touch the walls of the barrel, but if it does I don't think I would want to shoot it.

All I can tell you the ol' boys who re-invented this sport in the late 60's and early 70's would not use a fiberglass ramrod because of its abrasiveness. Myself I've never tried nor seen excessive wear in a barrel because of it.
 
Here what an expert says about a fiberglass ramrod, "YES IT WILL WEAR
yes it will wear--especially with a fiberglass ramrod.
FWIW---this is especially true with traditional muzzloaders as the barrelmakers for these(usually custom built) guns use 12L14 or 1137 steels which are less "tough" than a chrome moly alloy. they use these steels for their machinebility and a muzzle will definitely wear with use."
 
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Here is a scatch Hawken muzzleloader I made with a barrel from Green Mountain Barrel Co. They also made the Knight Rifle barrels. There are several modern muzzleloaders that do not have the harder 416 SS and 4140 chrome moly steel. This barrel happens to have a 1 in 28 twist and is a tact driver, but I have also made them with the slow twist from the same barrel company.

I would not use a fiberglass ramrod nor would I use a bullet with a fiberglass base that touched the barrel. NOT IN ONE OF MY GUNS. Even though I don't shoot enough to show wear.
 
Do any of your black powder elk hunters think that a modern black powder muzzle loader rifle can actually have its barrel worn enough to affect its accuracy? I have a 13 year old Remington 700 and I have shot it (I would say a lot) just about like the average shooter/hunter would use a black powder weapon.....its accuracy is still "good enough" to suit me at the standard 100 yard mark. I have always used a fiberglass ramrod for loading, cleaning, swabbing, and more. What would be a better type of ramrod? A new barrel would cost me about $435 for a stainless steel model.
 
none of the stores in Michigan that I have checked with has heard or seen anything about these new bullets. I would like to try some as soon as I can find some
 
Anyone heard when these will be out and who will be selling them?

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
No, they told me they were "looking in to it" and I figured I would see if they are even out in time for this fall before I contact them again

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Supposedly they are coming out soon, but don't think they are being sold currently

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Not sure but it looks like the rifling is on the black belt and not on the bullet itself. If so Colorado probably will not allow it.
I am biased because of lots of success with Thor's and think this offers nothing over the Thor (full) bore size bullets offered.
The Federal conical looks like someone's effort to try and get a sabot into no sabot states but I could be wrong.
 
They are certainly blurring the line between sabots and conicals

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Not sure what comparing another federal copper sabot/bullet combo has to do with the new B.O.R. Lock MZ System "conical" bullet.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
I think I heard CO has already allowed it. I think I heard the bullets will be out sometime in august.
 

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