The cold shot CVA accura

I am looking for a little advice, i own a new CVA accura .I have owned it about a month., I have shot it 5 different times at the range, This gun is a tack driver, I am using 2 pellets of pyrodex, and 245 grain power belts . I am shooting a sub 2 inch group at 100 yards. I have a TC 1 power scope on it. awesome scope,, Here is the problem the first shot, what i call the cold shot is always 4 inches low, the 2nd through the the 5th shot is 1 inch high at 100 yards, I always clean to specs. and dry fire it twice before loading, I am stumped. Any advice would be great, Thank You

Before you load it try swabbing the bore with rubbing alcohol, let dry. Make sure the flashhole on the breech is clean. Some muzzleloaders prefer to have a fouling round. You might try Black Horn 209 powder. It works best in my Accura. If it helps get the Black Horn Breech plug for it.

I always fire a fouling shot before I load for a hunt for that very reason. However, it is easier for me as I use loose powder. I simply fire a couple of caps, then pour about 20 gr of powder down the barrel, put on a cap and aim it up and pull the trigger. Then I swab and load. You can actually shoot one, but that is problematic when you are hunting. Up in Colorado, I sometimes fire a shot into the side of a hill the evening before opening, then load for the hunt.

txhunter58

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In my Accura with Blackhorn it shoots to the same spot cold or hot, dirty or clean.



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My CVA Accura does the same thing, with a clean bore it will be right on line but about 6 inches low at 100 yards. Like some have stated earlier, fire a fouling shot through the gun and then load up and hunt. I typically use 90 grains of BH209 and after the fouling shot, it shoots a tight group dead on at 100 yards. With the BH209 and magnum shot shell primers I've fired as many as 20 shots without cleaning or swabbing the barrel with little noticeable difference in the accuracy or difficulty in loading. Not that I typically do this, it was more of a range test to see if all the good things I've heard about BH209 were true. I could not do this with 777 or pyrodex, however both shot well in my rifle for 5 or 6 rounds without cleaning or swabbing.

Jody

I just shoot a primer before loading and have never had any issues with fliers.

Thanks for the good advice, whats the best way to fowl the barrel when using pellets if its even possible, without buying and installing a new breach plug and using BH 209. Thanks

Try popping off a few caps like the knack says and see if that does the trick. Or go out the evening before the season and shoot into the hillside or at the range, then load.

txhunter58

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If you shoot a fouling shot the day before. Will the residue eat away your barrell during the hunt, or are you OK to let that fouling shot go uncleaned for the week?

What are you using to prevent rust while the barrel is fully clean?

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Hey Heartshot, thats what i was thinking, i take pride in keeping my gun super clean, and to shoot a fowl shot and let her boil for a week to me is just wrong! I clean with hot soapy water , scrub till clean, dry, scrub with boar cleaner, then 1 patch with boar butter, its super clean and no sign of rust or crud.. i hope this is a good method, let me have it if its wrong. Thanks this is a great site!!!!!!!!!

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Freedom: Can't knock your cleaning method as it works for you and it is basically what I did for years with good success. However, I have converted to using an oil based product to protect the bore instead of bore butter and I just think it makes more sense. I clean my bore then I apply a thin coat of Montana Xtreme bore conditioner. It is a light fine oil that not only protects the barrel, but in the long run I feel may help with accuracy and decreases the amount of residue that sticks to the barrel.

After a cleaning, I pass a lightly coated patch with the bore conditioner a few times through the barrel and then a dry patch to leave just a slight residue. However, you have to clean that out before the next shooting session. I run a couple of patching of rubbing alcohol down followed by a few dry patches, then pop a couple of caps off the burn off any excess oil.

As far a leaving a gun loaded with a "fouled" barrel. I have done this for 2-3 days in dry conditions (no rain) and never felt like it caused a problem. So if you hunt for a week, that means you would have to shoot/clean/shoot fouling shot every few days to keep it dry. That is what is so great about BH209 though. I have left if loaded for 2-3 weeks after a fouling shot and never had an issue. That said, in rain I would still not let it go past a couple of days without cleaning.

I know someone who only wants to load and hunt on a clean barrel to avoid the fouling shot. He has to basically clean his bore thoroughly after EVERY shot at the range. Something I am just not willing to do. Again, try popping a few caps off before the next session and see if the "clean shot" doesn't come closer to the "fouled shots" If so you can have the best of both worlds as the cap residue is not nearly as prone to cause rust as black powder substitutes.

txhunter58

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Thanks for the hit txhunter, i will start using a light film of the oil you talked about and clean with A just before the load, i will keep you posted if you like

Ah ha, bore butter crap.

After you do the soapy water treatment and dry it, give the birchwood casey 2 in 1 bore cleaner a try. Its a cleaner for nitro,plastic, lead,copper but it also has a product that prevents rust. I havent had any issues with it affecting my first shot. After you scrub the barrel with this one final time, just dry patch and put it away.

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Hey thanks frontier gander, i will give it a try, My CVA is new and the boar butter crap was what i used when i shot an old hawkin , i was lucky to hit a barn door at 50 yards with that old bucket, i will post my resuls , maybe this will help another smoker.