New CVA accura V2

oldmossback · Jul 13, 2014

Just bought my son a accura v2 for his birthday. 1st muzzleloader for any of us. I would like to get every ones opinion on where to start. We are Colorado residence so a scope is out of question, but what do you suggest for bullets and charge? I am going to order the optional buckhorn breech plug. what else would you suggest? Thanks

FrontierGander · Jul 13, 2014

Strip it down, clean it, headspace adjustment, BH209 plug, 250-300gr Thor Bullets. Heres one I did for an online buddy.

And shooting it,

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txhunter58 · Jul 13, 2014

BH 209 has a stout recoil punch, so unless your son is older, bigger and doesn't mind recoil, I would start out at about 80 gr of powder. There is no reason to go over 100 gr even for elk.

You might start out with 385 gr Hornady great plains bullets. They are fairly cheap and easy to load and are generally accurate. Big enough to take deer and elk.

You could also try the Hornady FPBs. You would need a short starter to "pop" them in to get them started, but they are pretty tough bullets and come in 300 and 350 gr. I think the fit OK in the newer CVA barrels, although the older ones were too tight. Frontier will know if they fit better in the new CVAs My elk load with BH 209 is 95 gr of BH 209 and a 350 gr FPB.

Arguably the toughest conical out there right now is the Thor, but you can only get them ordering direct and you have to get a sizing kit to see what size your barrel needs. They are also the most expensive of the 3.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

oldmossback · Jul 14, 2014

please explain headspace adjustment. Thank you guys

FrontierGander · Jul 14, 2014

IMO the sizing kit is a thing of the past, Order the .500 and hand size them yourself in as little as 10 minutes, IF they need to be sized larger, http://www.frontiermuzzleloading.com/t6272-my-thors-are-to-small

Headspace Adjustment videos:

Part 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gHDEHVYhqgo

Part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aS5l3NzyMcA

Or you can just order a package of these and drop it right into the primer pocket. Replace every 40 shots or so.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#9262k611/=su33te

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CPAjeff · Jul 14, 2014

PM Sent.

TheKnack · Jul 15, 2014

Great choice.
I have done well with 110 grains of 777 and 300 grain Thors.
Best of luck in your hunt.

Canvsbk · Jul 19, 2014

I have an Accura v2 as does my brother. Both guns shoot the Thors in .501 extremely accurate.
110 gr Blackhorn 209 / CCI 209m or Federal 209a

As stated above there's some recoil to deal with, especially at a bench.

Semper Fi

dwinor · Jul 20, 2014

LAST EDITED ON Jul-20-14 AT 12:35PM (MST)[p]If you adjust your firing pin bushing adjust the face of the firing pin bushing flush with the breech face. That is what CVA recommends and that is what they will warrant. Don't try to adjust for a crush of the primer. If anything happens CVA will probably say the gun was adjusted out of specifications and will not warrant it or any damage or injury caused by it. Look at your firing pin bushing, if it is set back into your breech face order the shim kit from CVA, Get some extra because when you remove the firing pin bushing to clean the assembly if one of the shims is damaged you will need another one. If you don't think I am right call CVA and ask them, it would be to your advantage.

One other thing, if you need to shim the firing pin bushing record the shim stack amount, that way if anything happens all you do is put a new shim or the whole stack in again.

FrontierGander · Jul 20, 2014

LAST EDITED ON Jul-20-14 AT 02:00PM (MST)[p]oh brother this dude again!

CVA nor any other company i know of warrants rusted firearms. What will you do when the internals of your rifle rot up because you can not clean out the trigger group?

As I told you many times before, If you feel you are not smart enough to do the adjustment safely, leave it alone.

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dwinor · Jul 20, 2014

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you have your opinion, I have mine only mine is sanctioned by CVA. "...if you feel you are not smart enough...", why do you always try to belittle people. What I say is valid and can be verified by calling CVA. MY trigger group is just fine. Thank you for your concern.

Besides I am not the one that had a muzzleloader accidentally go off from adjusting headspace by crushing a primer!!!

Bigbull13 · Jul 29, 2014

I bought the cva v2 last year for my big bull hunt. After playing around with different combos I ended up going with 115 grains of black horn 209 with the 290 grain Barnes tez. I was shooting about 2" groups at 150 yds. I shot my bull at about 100 yds just behind the shoulder. When I was dressing him out I recovered the bullet on the opposite side between the meat and hide mushroomed nicely. I am no expert but that's what I used and it did the job. Hope that helps.Good luck.

oldmossback · Oct 6, 2014

Well here is a update on the new gun . Bought the black horn breach plug( a extra cost) had to also order the firing pin shim kit because the head spacing was wrong . Took the boy out with the gun . Started with 100 grains of black horn 209 and 245 grain power belt bullets and Remington clean bore primers .
1st shot total miss fire. Second shot split second hang fire . 3rd shot normal . Shot a total of 20 rounds . Had about 10 hang fires ,3 total duds and was not able to even hit paper at 50 yards . Rear sight was almost off the right side of its mount and gun still way to the left .
Called CVA and was told I must use magnum primers with bh 209 . I asked how to clean around the firing pin and was told by CVA to us non corinated disc brake cleaned .. Umm well ok , I tried it and ... It pealed all the camo finish off the stock .
So now another call to CVA to ask WTF . They said oh sorry and sent me a prepaid label to send the gun back . They also have a form to fill out for repairs. The represetitve filled out the for with my stock finish issues, my firing pin issues and the fact We can't hit a barn side at 50 yards.
2 weeks later I get the gun back with a new stock .... That's it . No firing pin fixed, no rear sight fixed . I called and was told , "oh sorry we had a old guy work on it and he did not read the whole repair sheet " . Are you kidding me ?? What is the repair sheet for if your gun smiths don't read it . Sent gun back again . I emailed my rep and said at this point I would like them to just send me a new gun because this is getting ridiculous . So far I have been ignored on that one . We will see what happens next .

FrontierGander · Oct 6, 2014

remington kleanbore primers are big time mistake and are not the correct ones you need. These are very cool burning primers meant to be used with powders like triple 7, so they cut down the crud ring inside the bore.

Look for CCI 209 magnum, Regular CCI, Winchester w209 or Federal 209A primers.

As for spraying your stock with brake cleaner.. WOW! that just leaves me at a loss for words as thats the worse stuff you could ever use around a rifle PERIOD.

For cleaning the face of the frame where the firing pin bushing is, thats a tricky thing as the 209 primers blast the finish off the face of that area. You can use birchwood casey bore scrubber on a Q TIP and rub that area down, let it sit and then wipe it off with a rag.

#1 rule when cleaning ANY firearm.... Keep the cleaners off the stock! Even your normal every day bore cleaners can damage your stocks finish.

I highly doubt you had a sight issue at all since you were using the incorrect primers and it was hang firing. Its almost like trying to shoot a very poorly tuned flintlock.

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oldmossback · Oct 7, 2014

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Thanks for the reply Frontier. What really pisses me off is all this info should be included when you buy their product. Why should I have to research every little trick just to get their product to work correctly. The head spacing should be correct from the factory. A black horn breach plug should be included especially since it is under $30 anyway. They should know that certain primers do not work in their guns.

Im sure the way it was shooting that it might not have been the site. If we can ever get it to shoot consistant we will know for sure.

Yea I was kinda dumb founded with the brake cleaner idea also and wrapped rags around the stock , but some seeped by the wrags and it looked like I whiped paint remover on the stock..

As for CCi 209 magnum primers.... Good luck. I have been searching for 2 months and can not find any in the country.

Would love a secret to finding those primers.

We will see what happens.

FrontierGander · Oct 7, 2014

All 209 primers will work in their guns, Blackhorn209 is what is sensitive to primers. BH209 needs HOT primers, not the special cool primers design to help tame the crud ring T7 creates.

oldmossback · Oct 7, 2014

New rifle on its way.. I will say this about CVA, They have some good people working for them and trying to stand behind their product, I think they just need to work on their product quality a bit. My rep admitted that they had a bad batch of firing pin bushings and head spacing issues. We will see how this new gun works when it gets here.

Where can I find some of those THOR bullets and are they legal in colorado? Our local cabelas and bass pro doesnt carry of the bullets mentioned above.

FrontierGander · Oct 7, 2014

oh yeah, Thors are online on! Email them at ask for a sizing sample. www.thorbullets.com

Thors are perfectly legal in colorado.

A video I did on how to size them, and then a post on how to CUSTOM size them perfectly to your bore diameter.

VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eDmFUckyCUI

Custom sizing: http://www.frontiermuzzleloading.com/t6272-my-thors-are-to-small

sjhgraysage · Oct 7, 2014

Thor Bullets have to be bought direct from Thor

https://thorbullets.com/

Good luck

txhunter58 · Oct 8, 2014

Yep, your hangfire failure is not on them. As stated, it is a Blackhorn 209 powder issue. If you read their website (blackhorn's) it states plainly that you will need to use regular 209 shotgun primers. It also is printed on the Blackhorn bottle "Do not use 209 MUZZLELOADER primers".

Don't mean to come down on you, but I read it so often: "went out and this blackhorn stuff just misfired for me" Come to find out they were using reduced power muzzleloader primers designed for 777 powder.

So, you could have saved yourself a lot of time, money and grief if you had read about Blackhorn 209. I say this not to come down on you, but for others reading so that they won't make the same costly mistake.

As to the firing pin issue, that is certainly on CVA

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

txhunter58 · Oct 8, 2014

LAST EDITED ON Oct-08-14 AT 01:42PM (MST)[p]I am PMing you with some other links that you should explore. This website is pretty thin for muzzleloading guys

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

Muleymonster · Oct 16, 2014

The only issue I've had with mine is the rear sight fell off a couple times, oh and the ram rod bracket fell off. other than that it shoots damn good with the BH209 and Winchester magnum primers.

BPHUNTER · Nov 29, 2014

90 gr BH209, .501 Thor, BH209 breechplug....this is the best load in my Accura V2, 1.2"@100yds with more than enough punch for a bull elk. I hunt Colorado exclusively an this is a great tool for elk or muleys. Have not had much luck with any other combos, but I don't mess with success!