Anyone use the Rem Ultimate?

I'm an old dog but not too old to learn a new trick.
With that said, I'm feeling the need to do a little front-stuffer hunting primarily in Utah.
I've been looking at the ignition system on the Ultimate. The data shows pellet propellant loads but can a guy use BH209?
Anyone have experience with this rifle or have an opinion about it?
Thanks in advance, oh great men in the know!

Zeke

According to Remington, you can use up to 150 grains by Volume of Blackhorn 209 in conjuction with 250 - 300 grain saboted bullets. According to Randy Wakeman he's seeing about 100 fps more velocity w/ BH209 than 777. He shoots thousands of rounds and hasn't had to pull the breechplug...plenty of his loads shooting 3/4 inch w/ a scope. Everthing a guy needs to know about the new Remington plus plenty of load data is here:

http://www.randywakeman.com/inline.htm

Thanks 30Hart for the info and the link.
I've been on the link ever since you posted.
Good info and it looks like quite a gun!
Zeke

The originator of the "Ultimate" muzzleloader does not recommend BH209 in the rifle he produces. I am aware of a fellow that has one and did use BH209 in it and had issues because of it.
If you would like further info I can get you linked up, let me know. He posts on a muzzleloading site frequently.

The original is an expensive but very impressive muzzleloader, I am not sure how the Remington version will pan out yet.

Thanks for the info graysage.
Any link would be appreciated.
Zeke

Zeke
Here is a link, I hope you can view it. You may have to register as a member to read it. That is not so bad as there are a bunch of great guys on here that really know their muzzleloading.

Anyway the author is ENCORE50A, he has several posts regarding the Ultimate muzzleloader he bought. Reminder this is not the Remington gun, but the original that Remington bought rights to build a gun similar to.

http://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=25619

If you have problems opening this let me know.

Graysage,
That was a good link. Informative and educational.

5" group at 400 yards is a great group with pellet type powder!

Thanks,
Zeke

Yes I have the new Remington ultimate. It is a GREAT MUZZLELOADER worth every penny. The trigger sucks!! but I put a Jewell trigger in it and now it is sweet all the way around.

I shot all the Remington bullets in it and could not get any because the muzzleloader was so new. So, I shot some other bullet that some sites said you could shoot. THEY WERE WRONG. the bullet may be the same (and I'm not even sure about that?) but the Sabot is not. The 200 grain load is too hot and melts a hole through the back of the Sabot on the Barnes TMZ and TEZ sabots. I found the 250 grain THOR bullet and 270 Powerbelt Platinum shot GREAT for those open sight Colorado guys wanting to shoot this muzzleloader. Both shot under an inch at 100. When I went out past 300 the poor BC had the bullet dropping terrible. But with open sights it should be fine.

All that said, I was able to get some more Remington factory bullets (Hard Rem Sabot with 250 gr Barnes bullet.) My rifle shoot way better by far with the factory bullets and 200 grain 777 pellets.

The Brass is similar to a 308 or 06' case and you can use either die to deprime the brass. The brass is specially formed inside the brass to fit over the cone of the nipple so you will only be able to use the Remington Muzzleloader brass. I think they will last forever. I don't know how they would ever wear out??

It shoots under or at MOA out to 600 yards. Recoil is heavy but manageable. You do not need a muzzle break.

I have a 3-12x56 VMV Zeiss on it and it is a .333 click scope adjustment. Here is the drop data at 6000 elevation out to 600 yards with 5 mph cross wind hold data. I'm shooting 2330 fps at the muzzle and 2639 ft-lbs

Elevation is not the issue anymore with the accuracy and click adjustments...IT'S THE WIND!!! 3 MilDots (18 MOA) in a 5 mph wind at 600!

100 - 0 - 1/4 mil dot - 2301 ft-lbs
200 - 10 clicks - 1/2 mil dot - 1740 ft-lbs
300 - 24 clicks - 1 mil dot - 1288 ft-lbs
400 - 42 clicks - 1.5 mil dots - 962 ft-lbs
500 - 64 clicks - 2 mil dots - 740 ft-lbs
600 - 91 clicks - 3 mil dots - 605 ft-lbs

Hope this HELPS!

TRC

Thanks TRC!
That's good information.
One report I read said the Rem sabot was really tough. I guess it would have to be to handle 4-50gr pellets! That's what you discovered too.
A friend just bought one but he doesn't have it yet so has not shot.
It sounds like a great rifle and currently rated as the best production ML rifle.
I'll have to scrape up some money and get one when I can.

I'm still smiling and shaking my head, MOA with a front-stuffer! Who'd have thought?

Zeke

To truly get the benefit of the ML look at the Parker Production Match Hunter bullets. The high BC profile will retain the velocity and energy downrange, and accuracy is as good as or better than other bullets.

I have a custom built Rem 700 ML and it will take some very stout loads. A 325 gr high BC bullet at 2400 fps with BH209 still makes it a very capable 400 yard elk gun.

hntbambi,
I've read about the high BC Parker match hunter bullets. Velocity still looks great and the wind-drift is much better than the lighter bullets. It would make a great elk load.
Thanks for the input.
Zeke

OK, My friend and I both bought them. I sure hope they perform even close to the independent test claims.
It appears to be a well built, well designed rifle.

When hunting season is over (maybe by mid December) my friend and I will be shooting them, comparing notes, and we'll report back.

Thanks for the replies.

Zeke

I just set up my Rem Ultimate with a Vortex 1X scope for hunting in Utah. Loading BH 209 at 100 grains by weight with the Remington Barnes 250 grain sabots.

I just sighted it in and shot a few times. Haven't chronographed it yet. It seems pretty accurate.


This sucker kicks!!! Not the gun I want to spend all day with at the range, but you only need to shoot once or twice when hunting.

Just checking to see if anyone else has any recent load testing data for the Remington Ultimate? So far I've shot BH209 up to 109gr by weight with Hornady 300gr SST's. The gun seems to be shooting pretty well and I'll be trying Barnes 290 TMZ's next.

I also live in utah and I've looked at the Remington ultimate. Several posts on mm have discussed several challenges the gun has. I've had great success with the tc arms triumph. I took a great utah elk in v 2013 with a 1x scope at 290yds. If you desire to discuss further 801-nine 40-679six

I live in virginia i shot many deer with my remington um mag muzzleloader no problem with 4- 50gr 777
and the premier accu tips 250 shoots very flat out to 200 yard but i need help i cannot find anymore remington premier accu tips 250gr muzzle loader bullets can i use the elr 50 cal powerbelt ???

Dolphin13 said:

I live in virginia i shot many deer with my remington um mag muzzleloader no problem with 4- 50gr 777
and the premier accu tips 250 shoots very flat out to 200 yard but i need help i cannot find anymore remington premier accu tips 250gr muzzle loader bullets can i use the elr 50 cal powerbelt ???

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BARNES MUZZLELOADER BULLETS 50 CAL. 250 GR. MAGNUM MZ 15 RD.​

Barnes made the Remington Ultimate bullets and packaged them with their name. These are the same bullets.