So my wife drew a wastach muzzy tag with 3 points. While im extremely jealous im also estati specially because how early it starts this year. She has a cva wolf which fits her really good. Not to mention it shoots close to 2 inch groups at 200 yards with the 250 tez with the black crush rib sabots over 100 grains of bh209. Now questio. Is do you think its worth trying to bump her up to the 290s? I have read that they might be a touch to long to stablize in the 1 and 28 twist the wolf has? Wondering what everyones thoughts are?
250s or 290s?
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txhunter58
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I assume she has an elk tag? If so, I would at least try the 290s. You have plenty of time. I know of many that shoot those well in the 1/28 barrels. I am sure she would be fine with the 250, but I would personally feel better with the 290
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290s will stabilize just fine in that rifle. 100-110gr BH209 and youre in business. I'd look at the T-ez as the yellow sabots are pretty much impossible to load without a range rod.
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Yes she does have the elk tag. I plan on giving with a whirl but was wondering if anyone has tried them. Its just hard switching from a good thing that i know she can shoot out to 200 yards with very good accuracy. Ill get some tez in the 290 and try the supplied sabot and the crush rip sabot and see what i come up with. Hopefully they dont kick her in to last week!
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LAST EDITED ON May-22-15 AT 06:49AM (MST)[p]If she is going to shoot out to 200yds i'd be more comfortable with the 290gr.
The Wolf should shoot them fine. She will notice more kick. Go back to the 250gr if it's too much recoil. That would be better than using less powder with the 290gr, because of recoil.
The Wolf should shoot them fine. She will notice more kick. Go back to the 250gr if it's too much recoil. That would be better than using less powder with the 290gr, because of recoil.
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The 290 TEZ are a great round and will thump an elk hard.
I have used on elk and lots of deer. Never had anything run with a 290 gr TEZ in the chest/shoulder...
Play with your load in 5gr increments or change your primer to tune those groups.
I found the best accuracy with the Rem STS primer
I have used on elk and lots of deer. Never had anything run with a 290 gr TEZ in the chest/shoulder...
Play with your load in 5gr increments or change your primer to tune those groups.
I found the best accuracy with the Rem STS primer
>The 290 TEZ are a great
>round and will thump an
>elk hard.
>
>I have used on elk and
>lots of deer. Never
>had anything run with a
>290 gr TEZ in the
>chest/shoulder...
>
>Play with your load in 5gr
>increments or change your primer
>to tune those groups.
>
>I found the best accuracy with
>the Rem STS primer
Thanks bill. Just went over to cabelas and found some 290s and we will see how the work. I hoping i can get a accurate load with 110 grains or so of bh209. Hopefully that will keep the velocity around the same as the 250s but pack a bigger punch and shoot a little flatter because of the higher b.c.
>round and will thump an
>elk hard.
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>I have used on elk and
>lots of deer. Never
>had anything run with a
>290 gr TEZ in the
>chest/shoulder...
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>Play with your load in 5gr
>increments or change your primer
>to tune those groups.
>
>I found the best accuracy with
>the Rem STS primer
Thanks bill. Just went over to cabelas and found some 290s and we will see how the work. I hoping i can get a accurate load with 110 grains or so of bh209. Hopefully that will keep the velocity around the same as the 250s but pack a bigger punch and shoot a little flatter because of the higher b.c.
110 grains of BH 209 federal 209A primers and 290 TEZ put the hammer on my Wyoming bull at 198 yards. But if recoil becomes a issue with flinching the 100 grains of 209 and a 250 TEZ will do just fine out to 200 yards. Shot placement is key on a big ol bull! Good luck and share some pics.
>110 grains of BH 209 federal
>209A primers and 290 TEZ
>put the hammer on my
>Wyoming bull at 198 yards.
>But if recoil becomes a
>issue with flinching the 100
>grains of 209 and a
>250 TEZ will do just
>fine out to 200 yards.
>Shot placement is key on
>a big ol bull! Good
>luck and share some pics.
>
So i got out to the range today. The first 5 shots were very promising. The 3 i shot were pretty much a clover leaf at 100 yards. Next the wife shot. She was able to shoot just over an inch with 2 shoots. After this me or her couldnt keep the groups under 3 inches at 100 yards. I checked the scope and action screws and everything seems to be in check. I then shoot my go to load with 100 grains of bh209 and the 250 tezs and instantly shoot a 4 shot group at right at a inch. So i know everything is good as far as the gun. I tried shooting the remaining 290 hrainers with changing the primer to know change and then i tried backing it down to 105 grains and still no changes in group size. Im not sure i wanna waste anymore time and money on the 290s unless you guys think its nessary...any thoughts?
>209A primers and 290 TEZ
>put the hammer on my
>Wyoming bull at 198 yards.
>But if recoil becomes a
>issue with flinching the 100
>grains of 209 and a
>250 TEZ will do just
>fine out to 200 yards.
>Shot placement is key on
>a big ol bull! Good
>luck and share some pics.
>
So i got out to the range today. The first 5 shots were very promising. The 3 i shot were pretty much a clover leaf at 100 yards. Next the wife shot. She was able to shoot just over an inch with 2 shoots. After this me or her couldnt keep the groups under 3 inches at 100 yards. I checked the scope and action screws and everything seems to be in check. I then shoot my go to load with 100 grains of bh209 and the 250 tezs and instantly shoot a 4 shot group at right at a inch. So i know everything is good as far as the gun. I tried shooting the remaining 290 hrainers with changing the primer to know change and then i tried backing it down to 105 grains and still no changes in group size. Im not sure i wanna waste anymore time and money on the 290s unless you guys think its nessary...any thoughts?
>I think you have a bullet
>and load that your gun
>likes, I'd stick with it.
>Was the recoil noticeably different
>in the 2?
Yes it definitely is. Specially the 290s with 110 grains of 209. Its just got me stumped on why the first 5 shots out with the 290s showed so much promise then it all went to hell. Im wondering if the 290s pack more of a punch therefore only jarring the scope with the heavier loads. When i went back to the 250s and 100 grains of 209 the gun was hitting different poi then i remember it hitting last year.
>and load that your gun
>likes, I'd stick with it.
>Was the recoil noticeably different
>in the 2?
Yes it definitely is. Specially the 290s with 110 grains of 209. Its just got me stumped on why the first 5 shots out with the 290s showed so much promise then it all went to hell. Im wondering if the 290s pack more of a punch therefore only jarring the scope with the heavier loads. When i went back to the 250s and 100 grains of 209 the gun was hitting different poi then i remember it hitting last year.
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TripleSe7en
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The TEZ is a devastating bullet. The properly placed 250 gr. should work fine.
LAST EDITED ON Jul-21-15 AT 02:48PM (MST)[p]Personally I'd go with the 250s. I'm using the 250s with 100 grains (2 pyrodex 50/50 pellets) out of my t/c encore for my lasal bull hunt simply because it's deadly accurate. Put one in his chest at 200 with that and I'm sure you'll have a dead bull to pack out. Congrats on the tag and good luck!
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LAST EDITED ON Jul-21-15 AT 03:54PM (MST)[p]Sounds to me like you used 105 and 110 gr of BH 209 for the bigger bullets? Why did you raise the powder? 100 gr is more than adequate with the 290 (I use 90 gr with my 450 gr bullets).
So, if you haven't used 100 gr for the 290s, I would try that. May be more accurate and not as much recoil. Many people think: bigger bullet, more powder. But it really doesn't work that way. 95-100 gr of powder would be plenty.
If not, use the 250s because you need to be confident in your load. That said, you will be using a 1x scope for the hunt, so beyond 200 yards is not very practical anyway.
txhunter58
venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
So, if you haven't used 100 gr for the 290s, I would try that. May be more accurate and not as much recoil. Many people think: bigger bullet, more powder. But it really doesn't work that way. 95-100 gr of powder would be plenty.
If not, use the 250s because you need to be confident in your load. That said, you will be using a 1x scope for the hunt, so beyond 200 yards is not very practical anyway.
txhunter58
venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-21-15
>AT 03:54?PM (MST)
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>Sounds to me like you used
>105 and 110 gr of
>BH 209 for the bigger
>bullets? Why did you
>raise the powder? 100 gr
>is more than adequate with
>the 290 (I use 90
>gr with my 450 gr
>bullets).
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>So, if you haven't used 100
>gr for the 290s, I
>would try that. May
>be more accurate and not
>as much recoil. Many
>people think: bigger bullet,
>more powder. But it
>really doesn't work that way.
> 95-100 gr of powder
>would be plenty.
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>If not, use the 250s because
>you need to be confident
>in your load. That
>said, you will be using
>a 1x scope for the
>hunt, so beyond 200 yards
>is not very practical anyway.
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>txhunter58
>
>venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore
>I am)
Im going to try 100 grains but everything i have read said the 290s like to be pushed harder to help them stablize in a 1:28 twist barrel. Either way ill be buying one more pack of them and if i cant get them to shoot ill stick with the 250s
>AT 03:54?PM (MST)
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>Sounds to me like you used
>105 and 110 gr of
>BH 209 for the bigger
>bullets? Why did you
>raise the powder? 100 gr
>is more than adequate with
>the 290 (I use 90
>gr with my 450 gr
>bullets).
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>So, if you haven't used 100
>gr for the 290s, I
>would try that. May
>be more accurate and not
>as much recoil. Many
>people think: bigger bullet,
>more powder. But it
>really doesn't work that way.
> 95-100 gr of powder
>would be plenty.
>
>If not, use the 250s because
>you need to be confident
>in your load. That
>said, you will be using
>a 1x scope for the
>hunt, so beyond 200 yards
>is not very practical anyway.
>
>
>txhunter58
>
>venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore
>I am)
Im going to try 100 grains but everything i have read said the 290s like to be pushed harder to help them stablize in a 1:28 twist barrel. Either way ill be buying one more pack of them and if i cant get them to shoot ill stick with the 250s
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Sounds like a good plan. Each gun is different. They don't always read the books. 
txhunter58
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txhunter58
venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
So i thought i would give a little bit of an update for those that might be interested. I made it back out to the range today with the wife. The first thing i tried was just a 100 grains of bh209 ans 290tez with a supplied sabot and fed 209a primer. Right off the bat it was 100 times better. I was able to keep it right 1.5 group at 100 yards. I decided to try a black crush rib sabot and groups where about the same. I then decided to try a cci 209 magnum primer and then printed right at a 1 inch group. I was happy with that so next was the wifes turn. Her first shot she pulled pretty bad but the next three were pretty much the same hole. Im glad we were able to figure out a load with the heavier 290s and ill feel a little more comfortable with her shootin out to 200 yards. Thanks for the ones the commented. September cant come soon enough!
I hinted at it in an earlier post so now I'll come right out with it. Do you think she's flinchin with the heavier load? U said the recoil was noticeably different and u said she pulled her first shot in your recent post. Obviously I wasn't there to watch her shoot but your comments elude to that being a possibility. 250 is plenty of metal to kill anything that walks. Hope you guys have a great hunt and share the pics with us. Good luck!
>I hinted at it in an
>earlier post so now I'll
>come right out with it.
>Do you think she's flinchin
>with the heavier load? U
>said the recoil was noticeably
>different and u said she
>pulled her first shot in
>your recent post. Obviously I
>wasn't there to watch her
>shoot but your comments elude
>to that being a possibility.
>250 is plenty of metal
>to kill anything that walks.
>Hope you guys have a
>great hunt and share the
>pics with us. Good luck!
>
She knew she pulled the shot and told me before i had time to look through the spotter. The next 3 shots were all touching with 2 basically in the same hole. She doesnt think its to much recoil so as long as she is comfortable and the groups stay consistent i think we are golden. Sense i back off the powder charge the 290s arent much different then the 250s.
>earlier post so now I'll
>come right out with it.
>Do you think she's flinchin
>with the heavier load? U
>said the recoil was noticeably
>different and u said she
>pulled her first shot in
>your recent post. Obviously I
>wasn't there to watch her
>shoot but your comments elude
>to that being a possibility.
>250 is plenty of metal
>to kill anything that walks.
>Hope you guys have a
>great hunt and share the
>pics with us. Good luck!
>
She knew she pulled the shot and told me before i had time to look through the spotter. The next 3 shots were all touching with 2 basically in the same hole. She doesnt think its to much recoil so as long as she is comfortable and the groups stay consistent i think we are golden. Sense i back off the powder charge the 290s arent much different then the 250s.
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LAST EDITED ON Jul-26-15 AT 05:55PM (MST)[p]Glad it worked out! Just remember to let your gun tell you what it likes. They don't read books or get on the internet! So you just have to experiment. That is work but sure feels good when you hit the sweet spot
I assume you are going to have to change sights now? Assume you are shooting those groups with a multipower scope? What is she going to use in the field?
txhunter58
venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
I assume you are going to have to change sights now? Assume you are shooting those groups with a multipower scope? What is she going to use in the field?
txhunter58
venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
I like to use a a larger 24x24 inch target so i can split the target into equal 4ths since its near impossiple to pick out a bullseye with 1x power scope. I dunno if that makes sense but its what works for us. We get a occasional flyer that can be chalked up to the one power scope or just flinching but it seems to work.
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There's an Easy Fix!
Load a 290 up with 200 Grains of Powder Like I was shootin yesterday!
Let Her feel it!(Just Once!)
Then tell her you're Backin it down to a 'Ladies Load'/100-130 Grains!
Go Ahead!
Make Me take it down!
Load a 290 up with 200 Grains of Powder Like I was shootin yesterday!
Let Her feel it!(Just Once!
)Then tell her you're Backin it down to a 'Ladies Load'/100-130 Grains!
Go Ahead!
Make Me take it down!
elkassassin
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No DW!
Just trying what Remington says is OK to shoot in the Gun!
Just as I thought the first time I heard 200 Grains of Powder!
It's too much!
It will send a projectile Tumbling though!
Go Ahead!
Make Me take it down!
Just trying what Remington says is OK to shoot in the Gun!
Just as I thought the first time I heard 200 Grains of Powder!
It's too much!
It will send a projectile Tumbling though!
Go Ahead!
Make Me take it down!
txhunter58
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>This is with a 1x scope!
>The vortex muzzy scope.
Dam@ If you and your wife can shoot those groups with a 1X scope, you leave me in the dust! I am lucky to shoot those kind of groups with my 270 set on 9x
txhunter58
venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
>The vortex muzzy scope.
Dam@ If you and your wife can shoot those groups with a 1X scope, you leave me in the dust! I am lucky to shoot those kind of groups with my 270 set on 9x
txhunter58
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elkassassin
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>How's yer shoulder like it and
>did u shoot it more
>than once?
Shoulder can Handle it!
Shot several times with 200 Grains of Powder!
I Still say it's Remington Hype trying to Bragg about their 300 Yard Gun!
I've got Guns that Kick Harder:
375 RUM!
My First Remington SmokePole with 600 Grain Slugs!(This Gun was a Real PRICK to Dial in as well!)
Go Ahead!
Make Me take it down!
>did u shoot it more
>than once?
Shoulder can Handle it!
Shot several times with 200 Grains of Powder!
I Still say it's Remington Hype trying to Bragg about their 300 Yard Gun!
I've got Guns that Kick Harder:
375 RUM!
My First Remington SmokePole with 600 Grain Slugs!(This Gun was a Real PRICK to Dial in as well!)
Go Ahead!
Make Me take it down!
>>This is with a 1x scope!
>>The vortex muzzy scope.
>
>Dam@ If you and
>your wife can shoot those
>groups with a 1X scope,
>you leave me in the
>dust! I am lucky
>to shoot those kind of
>groups with my 270 set
>on 9x
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>txhunter58
>
>venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore
>I am)
Its definetly not every group but it usually right at a 1 inch measuring center of the bullet to center of the bullet and dicounting the occasional flyers. Ever since switch over to bh209 groups have been cut by half
>>The vortex muzzy scope.
>
>Dam@ If you and
>your wife can shoot those
>groups with a 1X scope,
>you leave me in the
>dust! I am lucky
>to shoot those kind of
>groups with my 270 set
>on 9x
>
>
>txhunter58
>
>venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore
>I am)
Its definetly not every group but it usually right at a 1 inch measuring center of the bullet to center of the bullet and dicounting the occasional flyers. Ever since switch over to bh209 groups have been cut by half
elkassassin
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WOW!
If I Switch to BH 209 I should be able to Group em at about 18" at 50 Yards!
Go Ahead!
Make Me take it down!
If I Switch to BH 209 I should be able to Group em at about 18" at 50 Yards!
Go Ahead!
Make Me take it down!
>
>There's an Easy Fix!
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>Load a 290 up with 200
>Grains of Powder Like I
>was shootin yesterday!
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My wife tends to be pretty stubborn elkass... if i were to load up 200 grains...its likely she would never shoot another muzzy in here life... plus the ole cva cant handle 200 grain charger
>There's an Easy Fix!
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My wife tends to be pretty stubborn elkass... if i were to load up 200 grains...its likely she would never shoot another muzzy in here life... plus the ole cva cant handle 200 grain charger
