NEW REM ULTIMATE/Frontier Gander???

FrontierGander or anybody else that might Have Info on the New Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader?

Took it to the Range today!

Shooting off a Rest on a table!

I'm Thinkin 200 Grains/4 50 Grain Pellets of Triple 7 is a bit much!

Shot Approx 15 Rounds with No Consistency & about 1/3 of Remington/Barnes Sabot's that came with the Gun look like they went through the Target Sideways/Tumbling/Oblong Hole through the Plywood!

Backed it off to 150 Grains/3 50 Grain Pellets of Triple 7 without much notice/difference in anything!

Backed it off to 100 Grains/2 50 Grain Pellets of Triple 7 & it might be a little better?

By this Time I had warmed the Barrel just a little & decided it's time to Cool Her off & come back another day!

Wondering if anybody else out there has any info on what this New Remington might shoot?

I Ain't Impressed so far!

I'm not done Screwin with it Neither!

Thanks Guys!
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wow thats not something I expected to read! Have you cleaned the bore and inspected the rifling? I know one on a forum went back because it was a bad bore with rust/pitting new from the factory.

I'd remove the barrel from the stock and check that out as well.

If you have open sights, I'd suggest you try that at 50 yards just to see if it will group. You know how things all can go wrong and just keep fighting you. Start with the easy stuff and work your way to the mount/rings/scope,etc.

Did you clean between each shot?

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Got a New VORTEX 1X Scope on it & I did move in to 50 Yards from a 100 Yards where I started!

I did Notice something Unusual!

After about 3 Shots I swabbed the Barrel with a Dry Patch & got it Stuck Tighter than Hell down by the Breach Plug,WTH is that About?

Had to remove the Breach Plug so I could continue pushing the Swab/RamRod all the way Through!

Actually happened every time I cleaned it!

I didn't have a good enough Bore Light with me to take a real close look at the Bore!

I tried cleaning between a few shots!

I tried Fouling the Barrel!

Only had 2 consistent Shots,must of been Luck/coincidence!
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crud ring. Swab between each and every shot next time. Im just using this as an example but when i bought some of the federal bor loc bullets they boasted that the fiber piece would scrape away the powder fouling which lets you skip swabbing between each shot. Yes that was true but my accuracy was a 9 to 10" group! After swabbing between shots, accuracy with down to 4" which made me happy since they were pellets.

I'd suggest going to Blackhorn209 personally. You're running an expensive rig so you might as well shoot a pricy powder and get the best out of it.

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Crud Ring?

In one shot?

Maybe the 200 Grains of powder was Vaporizing the Plastic Sabot?

I'm not against Trying BlackHorn 209!

The thing that's Aggitating is Remington Recommended a Load,they even send a Pack of Barnes Sabots with the Gun!




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I Bought one of the first Remington ML 700's many years ago!

It was a Real PRICK to Dial in!

I can tell this ain't gonna be much different!

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yep, T7 is a very filthy powder and its best to cleaned between each shot.

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Well Frontier!

My Older Remington ML 700 shoots the Nastiest Powder of them all!

GOEX Triple fff BLACK NASTY!

Filthiest Sshiitt there has ever been!

Biggest Bang though!

Wished the older 700 liked something cleaner!






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JUDAS!

I see where some Guys Claim that BH209 is OK to use in the Remington Ultimate & Other Guys saying it's not OK?

Anybody know for sure?




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Its ok to use in that rifle.

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I have this muzzleloader and shoot BH209. I shoot Remington Sabots and 100 grains (by weight).

Seems to shoot well for me. Kicks like a SOB though.

Hey Spart?

You tried 200 grains yet?

Have you experienced the 'Crud Ring'?




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Hey Frontier?

You heard much about this?



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Postby ENCORE50A ? Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:50 pm

Well you guys cook up the crow and I'll eat it. I have no problem admitting that I learned something new, that I originally thought different of.

I have received a good education why the Ultimate Firearm rifle and the new Remington Ultimate rifle, ARE NOT DESIGNED to shoot BH209. Also why BH should NOT be shot from them. Its not because the rifle won't shoot or handle BH, its the actual design of the ignition system, nipple design and brass cases used and the properties of BH.

I had shot BH from the Ultimate with no problems and excellent long rang accuracy. Although when shooting heavy charges of 135grs volume, the rifle shot better groups when swabbed every 3rd shot or so. During my last shooting session, I suddenly started getting considerable blowback. A lot of blowback! Something that had NEVER happened previously. My cases were terrible dirty. I cleaned the rifle barrel, then had my work cut out cleaning the chamber and action. When I checked out the nipple, it was clearly gas cut, BAD.


I took photos of the cases and shipped them off within an email to Ken Johnston, who promptly called me. Yesterday I met with Ken at his home and we proceeded to make what he thought would be a 30 minute replacement. Now I wasn't scolded but, I was educated why I shouldn't shoot BH from the Ultimate. I watched Ken remove the barrel, then attempt to remove the breech plug. It became very evident to me it wasn't going to happen. Try as Ken did, that breech plug was not going to be removed normally. The barrel then went into the lathe and it was drilled. After it was drilled, the first easy-out wouldn't remove the remaining plug threads so a larger easy-out was used. As I watched the process I fully expected to ante up for a new barrel. Finally the remaining plug was removed.


The barrel was cleaned and thoroughly inspected, then the new breech plug was installed. The rifle was reassembled, scope mounted and then handed to me while I was being told, "In the condition you first received it." As stated before, I wasn't scolded, I was educated why BH should not be used in the rifle, or the Remington Ultimate for that matter. Ken explained that he's replaced just three breech plugs prior to mine and EVERY ONE was because BH209 was shot from them. He told me that the replacement of a breech plug is extremely uncommon for him. It appears that any leak of gas when using BH in the UF or RU ignition systems, will immediately cut that nipple. Another reason that the brass have a life span of 3 to 4 primes.


There's no doubt going to be some negative feedback on this but, I'll try to put it this way........ If the person who developed and designed the ignition system, the IDENTICAL system used in both the UF rifle and the new Remington Ultimate rifle, states DO NOT use BH209 in that ignition system and, Remington itself is promoting shooting only pellets, there's a reason..........

As always, I had a great couple hours with Ken Johnston and also learned much more. I'm proud to call Ken a friend, hope he feels the same. I'm happy as hell to own one of his muzzleloaders.




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I would check your bore and make sure its clean just becouse you cleaned it dont make it clean. this gun is bad about something they used to oil it with is hard to get out of the bore so work it over reel good. and yes you can shoot BH209 in this gun you can only reload your brass three time and replace or you will get gas cutting and blow back.

OK blackhorn!

Brake Cleaner should cut it,Right?




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You said you had a tough time dialing in a old 700ML.
I had my buddy use my 80 gr of pyrodex P, a .63" diameter wool felt over powder wad and a paper patched 500 S&W bullet in this rifle. This load shoots in every gun I have ever seen it pushed down. This rifle shot sub 2" groups with a peep right off the bat.

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I tried break free in my rifle and all I got was hang fires.

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How old are those pellets and have they been kept in a dry place? Buy loose powder and develop your own custom load.

Also, was that bore scrubbed with a bore brush? If not, you may still have packing grease in your rifling and the bore reacts like a smooth / shotgun bore. That might explain why your bullets are turning sideways.

Buy some JB Bore Paste and clean by the directions. You may have baked-in grease in that bore, especially after getting the bore warm at the range.

Yes Ron!

My First Remington was a PIA!

Mine Shoots a 600 Grain Conical!

OK TripleSe7en!

Gonna Clean it again,I'm Perty Sure I had it Clean Enough the 1st Time!

I didn't over-heat the Gun but Damn Man,with 200 grain Powder Charges it won't take long,I'm not loading it up like that anymore!

Thanks Guys & Keep Replying!
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Plus its hot out your gun will shoot better in the 50 deg and lower. sabots dont like the heat. try a little JB.
http://www.brownells.com/gun-cleani...-cleaning-paste/j-b-bore-bright-prod1161.aspx

A modern muzzy that can't shoot BH 209 is a shame. You couldn't pay me enough to use T7.

To answer your question. Yes, T7 will give you a crud ring in one shot with 100gr. I can't imagine what you'd get with 200gr of the crap.

I've got an ultimate and have only used BH209 in mine.

100 grains BY WEIGHT is equivalent to about 155 grains by volume. DO NOT CONFUSE THE TWO.

It shoots pretty damn well with the provided bullets so I bought a stack more of them. I would have been using it on my Utah LE deer hunt but I surrendered the tag because we have a couple sheep hunts this year.

Good luck Bess!

Zeke