Whites going absolutely crazy!

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Have you fellows been watching the Whites the last couple of weeks or so? I saw a NIB S91 in .504 on Gunbroker late last week with a buy it now price of $750, and three days later it is gone... Sheesh! There was an S91 in .410 posted a week or so ago as well, and it went for roughly the same amount.

What do you think, guys? Worth that kind of money or not?
 
I am sure that some of the White's were good rifles but some of them were brought down by stocks that broke and for a overall lack of parts for them.
In my opinion the old MK85 knight is a better rifle.
 
I saw that gun listed and thought the "Buy it now" price was delusional. Not sure if it sold for that or the guy just took the listing down. If someone bought it for that, just goes to show you that some people have more dollars than sense. Whites are good guns but not THAT good.
 
Mallard, he sold it. I know because I bought the S91 Safari he had, and when he told me what he posted I went and looked. We talked a bit because I love the darned things, but with half a dozen of them and an Elite to boot, I just couldn't see parting with that much cash, NIB or not. But he sold it. I will guarantee you that much.

Ron, just wondering: which Whites did you own, which ones split the stocks, and which parts failed on you? I am curious, as most of what I have seen came with Bell and Carlson syn stocks. There were some early ones that were walnut, and Doc did produce some lam stocks, but from what I remember they were not nearly as abundant as the syn stocks, and I don't know how you would break one of them. The Lightning was another matter, but is an easy fix.
 
I have never owned one. I have seen several that would broken at the wrist. They could have been the lightning.
Another thing I think I saw somewhere was the breach plug and nipple were all one piece. Maybe I am wrong, but I have washed out many nipples shooting big heavy bullets. If the nipple is not a replaceable part the gun is worthless.
 
I figured you had never owned one, but you were quick to decide they weren't worth owning. I have to wonder why...

As far as the nipple not being replaceable, the nipple and breach plug were one unit, very easily replaced. All you had to do (still do...) is order a new one...

I can't comment on the Knight as I have never owned one (and won't...), but I do know they went under for some reason. I know why Doc's did: I got it straight from the horse's mouth: they couldn't compete with China.
 
I never at any time said I owned one and I never said they were not worth owning. If you can show me where I said they were not worth owning I would be glad to read it.

The nipple and breach plug being one is a problem as far as I am concerned. But maybe they made them different I don't know. All I know is big bullets wash out nipples. If those nipples are no longer made in my mind that becomes a problem for the owner of that rifle.

I know that some were said to be very accurate especially with large bullets. At one time I thought about getting one my self but felt that it was not the best for me because I knew parts were limited.

The Original Knight did go out of business, and I am sure that because they were also made in the USA they had a tough time competing with foreign made rifles.

The Knight MK85 is a well made rifle and the nipples are off the shelf and not hard to find. Like most well made guns the rest of the parts are not something that most have to worry about breaking.

From what I know about White I am sure that for the most part they are solid riles. A person wants to be sure which model he is getting. The Lightning is a cheep made rifle and the stocks are well known to break. The other models have good reputations but the nipples are questionable as to the future availability.

If you won't own a Knight MK85 your robbing your self of owning a well made accurate ML. So you asked me why I would not own a White, why wouldn't you own an original MK85?
 
It is very simple: I won't own a Knight because I don't like the design, and I have Whites that I have learned, can make them cut holes at 100 with my own cast projectiles when I do my part, and have a safe full of them. I have only been playing with them for about 15 years so I am a late comer, but I have had no trouble at all getting parts when I needed them: triggers, breach plugs, springs, etc. You can even find stocks if you are willing to look.

You are correct: you never said they weren't worth owning. I stand corrected.
 
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>Mallard, he sold it. I
>know because I bought the
>S91 Safari he had, and
>when he told me what
>he posted I went and
>looked. We talked a
>bit because I love the
>darned things, but with half
>a dozen of them and
>an Elite to boot, I
>just couldn't see parting with
>that much cash, NIB or
>not. But he sold
>it. I will guarantee
>you that much.
>
>Ron, just wondering: which Whites did
>you own, which ones split
>the stocks, and which parts
>failed on you? I
>am curious, as most of
>what I have seen came
>with Bell and Carlson syn
>stocks. There were some
>early ones that were walnut,
>and Doc did produce some
>lam stocks, but from what
>I remember they were not
>nearly as abundant as the
>syn stocks, and I don't
>know how you would break
>one of them. The
>Lightning was another matter, but
>is an easy fix.
Like I said, some people have more dollars than sense. Someone musta wanted it really bad. I own a White and wouldn't mind having another one but wasn't willing to pay that price for it. Good for the guy who sold it. There's a sucker born every minute.
 
I got to wonder why the man that started them "divorced" him self from the company and name?
I guess I should have used your reason I don't like the design. To be honest the white is probably a good enough gun. They are way too over priced in my opinion for what they are. Instead of getting a used white in questionable condition. I would buy a Knight Ultra Light and divorce my self from thinking about the White again. I am not saying they are a bad rifle. I do think that there are others that are better for less money and also american made.
 
>I got to wonder why the man that started them "divorced"
>him self from the company and name? I guess I should have used
>your reason I don't like the design. To be honest the white is probably a good enough gun. They are way too over priced in
>my opinion for what they are. Instead of getting a used white in questionable condition. I would buy a Knight Ultra Light and divorce my self from thinking about the White again. I am
>not saying they are a bad rifle. I do think that there are others that are better for less money and also american made.

Ron, I like to think of myself as a reasonable guy. It just so happens I have a .504 M97 back home in TX that is a duplicate. It is stainless, has a syn stock so you aren't going to split it, and I believe it has been glass bedded. Bold trigger set at about 3-1/2", and used, but with a pristine barrel. It isn't perfect but it is far from hurt. What would you think it is worth, and what would you give me for it shipped to Idaho? I am serious...

I really think that once you get your hands on a White your view will change.

Let me know if you are interested. I might even be able to scrape up a spare breach plug, but you would go several thousand rounds before you blew out the first one...
 
>I got to wonder why the man that started them "divorced"
him self from the company and name? I guess I should have used
your reason I don't like the design. To be honest the white is probably a good enough gun. They are way too over priced in
my opinion for what they are. Instead of getting a used white in questionable condition. I would buy a Knight Ultra Light and divorce my self from thinking about the White again. I am
not saying they are a bad rifle. I do think that there are others that are better for less money and also american made.

Ron, I like to think of myself as a reasonable guy. It just so happens I have a .504 M97 back home in TX that is a duplicate. It is stainless, has a syn stock so you aren't going to split it, and I believe it has been glass bedded. Bold trigger set at about 3-1/2", and used, but with a pristine barrel. It isn't perfect but it is far from hurt. What would you think it is worth, and what would you give me for it shipped to Idaho? I am serious...

I really think that once you get your hands on a White your view will change.

Let me know if you are interested. I might even be able to scrape up a spare breach plug, but you would go several thousand rounds before you blew out the first one...
 
I appreciate the offer, I really do, but I have too many muzzleloaders now. I really wouldn't have the time to do it any justice but it is tempting.
 
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Double Barrel!

83 Caliber!

870 Grain Slug!

300 Grains of Powder!

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I'm not well versed in White muzzleloaders so asking a dumb question. I have a G series Whitetail .504 that I Love...bought it roughly 20 yrs ago, it shows being built in Roosevelt Utah. Is my gun the quality of the 91 reference in this thread? Just curious as its earned a permanent spot in my safe?
 
Yup, premium quality gun. Just the same as the 91, but a different model from the same manufacturer. I have had them all, and actually prefer all my shorter Whitetails to the longer 91 series. Like you, my safe is full of them and they will be the last to ever leave. Look at all my muzzleloader trophies here on MM and they are shot with 50 cal. Whitetails.
 
Nice, Thx for info. It was a keeper in my eyes no matter what feedback I got. Shoots Great, super easy to load, easy to clean, fantastic trigger....yup it's a keeper?
 
Blank, can I pick your brain on loads....I hope so. I have always shot 460-480 gr solids out of my White. Believe it or not I stocked up on White 480 gr Super Slug bullets when I bought the gun...I still have a few. I now shoot No Excuses 460 gr bullets. Never really experimented with sabots in this gun. Am I off base in bullet selection? I'm really a bow hunter but opt for muzzy if dates and opportunity present itself as the best option. Thx in advance for the words of wisdom.
 
I also have a G series Whitetail .504 in Stainless Steel that I bought in '95.
This things a tack driver with my loads.
Also have a TC Omega. Good, but no where near my White!
Doc has been a wealth of info for me.
 
The White WT's seem to shoot every bullet combination well, just have to adjust the load of powder a bit. I find the best loads are 80-100 grains by volume, I like Pyrodex "P", for all my shooting. Go thru about 3 pounds a year. The 777 is a little hotter, but you do deal with a little crud ring build-up. I found that 300 gr Hornady XTP (.452) or Barnes Muzzleloader bullets shoot great in sabots with 100 Pyrodex. I have been shooting 400 grain 45 caliber hard-cast LBT flat nose bullets in sabots for elk for a while; they will give about 48" penetration, and are murder on raking shots. The same with 348 PowerBelts, 100 gr is great. The 295 PB's are too light, very soft, and too fast. I think they are only a deer or antelope bullet. I have had a lot of luck in Idaho with both 460 and 480 conicals with 95 grains Pyrodex, and while slower they are immensely accurate..
 

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