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Jagerdad

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Question for experienced Muzzle Loader shooters.

I just watched a video of idahoron using a BP Rifle and the person above his post, LoneWati wrote: "Just purchased my first Muzzleloader.. I always had access to a buddies TC Hawken 50 as he had 2 of them... CVA Accurra V2 Nitrade and I ordered a peep with the fiber optic front. I also grabbed a Blackhorn Breetch plug since I will be using that powder".

I am a neophyte to BP but have used them. What is this new technology wording about a Blackhorn Breech Plug...?

Next; What BP Rifle (Era) type is known, by many shooters as giving the Highest Accuracy...?

I am normally in "Campfire" but do wish to enter BP Hunts yet, I have "No Clue" of which design make/model carries the reputation for highest accuracy.

My above is broad based yet I have no better manner to ask. Any comment is welcomed. For now, the BP Rifle would be used with open sights, due to local regulations (California).

Thank You ahead of time for any efforts to educate me.

Jagerdad
 
I knew nothing about muzzys 2 years ago. My research led me to CVA accura V2. To shoot blackhorn 209 you need a different breech plug. You just screw them in and out, very easy. They are cheap and easy to find. I think the flash hole has robe bigger and a magnum primer for blackhorn.

The removable breech plug makes it very easy for cleaning. Each state has different rules so make sure that if your going to use them for hunting you know which ones are legal.

Once you get your muzzy just play with the loads and ammo just like you do with rifles. It is easier than I ever thought it would be.

Rich
 
Thank You very much for taking the time to write and, Help.

What does this mean in your sentence: " I think the flash hole has robe bigger and a magnum primer for blackhorn".

I know there's ML'ers with 209 Primers, then "Musket" cap's then #10 & #11 caps. I don't understand much of the term's/language.

I thought pellets were the big thing but now I see Black Horn Powder, loose, being used.

Then a number of years ago I saw drop in Sabot's. I didn't think they were going to be popular but they seem to be highly popular.

Our only BP Rifle is a custom 45 cal. I loaded it up and my Son got his first Deer with it. It sure made a giant silver dollar sized exit hole

I have a vast amount of marksmanship skills but lack knowledge on BP Rifles. All comments sure help me.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-29-16 AT 05:43PM (MST)[p]I meant to say that BH 209 uses a bigger flash hole. Damn auto correct. I don't know about California but Oregon and Idaho makes you use to the caps while in CO I can use the rifle primers and BH 209. Most of the western states make you use loose powder not the 50grain chunks of powder. They also restrict the type of bullets you can use. There is a chart on the internet that breaks it down by state. I will see if I can find it. You have to be a expert to understand them all of the top of your head. I focus on Oregon where I live and CO and ID where I apply for muzzy deer tags. My head would spin if I added other states.

Rich
 
Thank You Rich. I very much appreciate any and all help. I am pasting below what I see in our California regs. I highlighted in Bold important parts but this MM's post-scrip-font does not support such :-(


It seems that our State writes bit's and pieces of/in sections and well paid attorneys and staff may not "Read" what is their lawful rules. Grammar and spacing is also rough. Example = 353 (h) refers to subsection 353(a) as a place to read description(s). 353(a) below in (h) is not as any reader is lead to believe. All Laws and especially these should be: "Public Reader Friendly". 353(a) does not take effect until 2019 in most of the State....in my beliefs. It's written below as pursuant to Section 2501. See below.

?353. Methods Authorized for Taking Big Game.
(a) The take or attempted take of any big game (as defined by Section 350 of these regulations) with a firearm shall be in accordance with the use of nonlead projectiles and ammunition pursuant to Section 2501. of these regulations.
(b) Definition. For purposes of this section, a projectile is any bullet, ball, sabot, slug, buckshot or other device which is expelled from a firearm through a barrel by force.
(c) Except for the provisions of the following subsections (d) through (j), big game may only be taken by rifles using centerfire cartridges with softnose or expanding projectiles; bow and arrow (see Section 354 of these regulations for archery equipment regulations); or wheellock, matchlock, flintlock or percussion type, including "in-line" muzzleloading rifles using black powder or equivalent black powder substitute, including pellets, with a single projectile loaded from the muzzle and at least .40 caliber in designation
(d) Shotguns capable of holding not more than three shells firing single slugs may be used for the taking of deer, bear and wild pigs. In areas where the discharge of rifles or shotguns with slugs is prohibited by county ordinance, shotguns capable of holding not more than three shells firing size 0 or 00 buckshot may be used for the taking of deer only.
(e) Pistols and revolvers using centerfire cartridges with softnose or expanding projectiles may be used to take deer, bear, and wild pigs.
(f) Pistols and revolvers with minimum barrel lengths of 4 inches, using centerfire cartridges with softnose or expanding projectiles may be used to take elk and bighorn sheep.
(g) Except as provided in subsection 354(j), crossbows may be used to take deer and wild pigs only during the regular seasons.
(h) Under the provisions of a muzzleloading rifle only tag, hunters may only possess muzzleloading rifles as described insubsection 353(a) equipped with open or "peep" type sights only except as describled in subsection 353(k).
(i) Under the provisions of a muzzleloading rifle/archery tag, hunters may only possess muzzleloading rifles with sights as described in subsection 353(f); archery equipment as described in Section 354; or both. For purposes of this subsection, archery equipment does not include crossbows, except as provided in subsection 354(j).
(j) Except as otherwise provided, while taking or attempting to take big game under the provisions of this section or Section 354 of these regulations, it is unlawful to use any device or devices which: 1) throw, cast or project an artificial light or electronically alter or intensify a light source for the purpose of visibly enhancing an animal; or 2) throw, cast or project an artificial light or electronically alter or intensify a light source for the purpose of providing a visible point of aim directly on an animal. Devices commonly referred to as "sniperscopes", night vision scopes or binoculars, or those utilizing infra-red, heat sensing or other non-visible spectrum light technology used for the purpose of visibly enhancing an animal or providing a visible point of aim directly on an animal are prohibited and may not be possessed while taking or attempting to take big game. Devices commonly referred to as laser rangefinders, ?red-dot? scopes with self-illuminating reticles, and fiberoptic sights with self-illuminating sight or pins which do not throw, cast or project a visible light onto an animal are permitted.
(k) Unless provided in these regulations or any other law, it is unlawful to possess a loaded muzzleloading firearm in any vehicle or conveyance or its attachments which is standing on or along or is being driven on or along any public road or highway or other way open to the public. For the purposes of this section, a muzzleloading firearm shall be deemed to be loaded when it is capped or primed or has an electronic or other ignition device attached and has a powder charge and projectile or shot in the barrel or cylinder.

(a Above may be printed incorrectly. It should be, to me, 250.1 as shown below.

?250.1.Prohibition on the Use of Lead Projectiles and Ammunition Using Lead Projectiles for the Take of Wildlife.

(a) Purpose. This regulation phases in the requirements of Fish and Game Code Section 3004.5, which prohibits the use of any lead projectiles or ammunition containing lead projectiles when taking any wildlife with a firearm on or after July 1, 2019.
 
Dear lostinOregon (plus all others)

Thank You for the link to California Muzzle Loading Regulations. I copied them below but MM's box-font may change the text. I am surprised modern in-line models are allowed and so are 209 Primers. However, "i" below says no Pellets and "l" says no Sabots yet the very bottom says *** Certified projectiles.....

Those in *** may be, from my memory, Sabots and due to some lead free zones, will be Copper. SO...!!!!! What does a guy (Me) buy when I seek the highest accuracy and being legal...????

PS: lostinOregon, Thank You again for jumping in and helping me.


i. Pelletized powder systems prohibited in muzzleloading seasons.

l. Sabots are prohibited in muzzleloading seasons. Cloth patches are not sabots.

California
Muzzleloader Regulations
Legal Description:
?Wheel-lock, matchlock, flintlock or percussion type, including ?in-line? muzzleloading rifles using black powder or equivalent black powder substitute, including pellets, with a single projectile loaded from the muzzle and at least .40 caliber in designation. A ?projectile? is defined as any bullet, ball, sabot, slug, buckshot or other device, which is expelled from a firearm through a barrel by force. Under the provisions of a muzzleloading rifle only tag, hunters may only possess muzzleloading rifles as described in subsection, equipped with open or ?peep? type sights only. Under the provisions of a muzzleloading rifle/archery tag, hunters may only possess muzzleloading rifles with sights as described above. Upon application to the department, the department may issue a Disabled Muzzleloader Scope Permit, free of any charge or fee, to any person with a physical disability, as defined which prevents him/her from being able to focus on the target utilizing muzzleloading rifles equipped with open or ?peep? sights. The Disabled Muzzleloader Scope Permit authorizes the disabled hunter to use a 1X scope on a muzzleloading rifle.?

a. Only legal muzzleloaders allowed in muzzleloading seasons.
b. In-line muzzleloaders are legal.
c. Must be single-barrel that fires a single round-ball or conical projectile.
d. To hunt deer, pronghorn or bear, they must be minimum of a .40 caliber.
e. To hunt elk or moose, they must be minimum of a .50 caliber.
f. From a .40 caliber to a .50 caliber, bullets must weigh minimum 170 grains.
g. If greater than a .50 caliber, bullets must weigh minimum 210 grains.
h. Shotshell primers are legal.
i. Pelletized powder systems prohibited in muzzleloading seasons.
j. Cannot be loaded from the breech in muzzleloading seasons.
k. Only open or iron sights allowed in muzzleloading seasons. Fiber optics and fluorescent paint incorporated into or on open or iron sights are legal. Scopes or any sighting device using artificial light, batteries and electronic gear are prohibited during muzzleloading seasons.
l. Sabots are prohibited in muzzleloading seasons. Cloth patches are not sabots.
m. Smokeless powder prohibited in muzzleloading seasons. Black powder and black-powder substitutes are legal.
n. Electronic or battery-powered devices cannot be incorporated into or attached to muzzleloader during muzzleloading seasons. ***Muzzleloading projectiles must be certified California legal. This includes Barnes T-EZ & T-MZ, Hornady SST, and Thor bullets.***
 

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