Remington Ultimate vs TC

Just wondering if anyone has compared the Remington Ultimate muzzleloader to a TC? With the new scope rule in Utah how far can someone accurately shoot one of these things? Looking at buying one here in the next month. Been looking at the CVA's, traditions, TC, and the Remington. Any feedback appreciated

Wish I had some trigger time to give my feedback on the Remington but sadly haven't drawn a tag worth that rifle yet. I'm a small FFL in Salt Lake with no overhead and basically a hunter helping other hunters. I sold around 50 of those Ultimates last year, and 10 this year allready. Only sold a handful of the TC in comparison.

I'm actually a Whites fan and have a few set up for different states, but when I finally draw a good tag in Utah I know that I will be keeping a Ultimate for my hunt. Only drawback I see, is they are heavy.

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I don't have any experience with a TC, but I know my CVA Accura has been collecting dust since I bought my Remington Ultimate. They are very accurate if you take the time to work up a load.

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I own a TC Encore and and also the Remington Ultimate
As for comparison both guns are heavy and both shoot amazing. I have taken many muley's with my encore in Utah from (125-275 yards)before the new scope law. Shooting a fixed 1X scope. Shooting 100 gr. 777 pellets, 209 Remington primers, 250 gr. Barnes Spitfire TMZ

Last year my wife bought me the Ultimate muzzle loader for fathers day, last year I only had a muzzy tag so I spent a lot of time shooting the new setup. I topped it with a leupold VX3 4.5 x 14x40mm CDS scope.
Shooting 150 gr. 777 pellets, and shooting the 270 gr. platinum powerbelts this setup shoots very accurately with my scope turreted to 375 yards.

Either of these setups are very deadly.

Good luck to you in your search!

I bought the Remington Ultimate last year and this gun is lights out. I used it on an elk hunt last year and settled on a load of 92gr Blackhorn and a Parker 300gr Match Hunter. This gun was consistently shooting 1" groups at 200 yards. This gun shoots so clean it's not like other blackpowder guns I have used in the past. I know/read of guys who are shooting 300+ yards with this gun. I mounted mine with a 4x16 Vortex and I couldn't be happier. Money well spent.

It is pretty easy to get the guns to shoot accurately. The issue is retained energy at long range. The high BC bullets that will carry enough velocity and energy to get the job done at 300 yards are around $2 per bullet. Many of these premium bullets need 1600 fps to open up when they hit. I have passed on shots where I know for certain I could hit where needed but the bullet would not have the level of energy I demanded to do the job cleanly. For elk it is tough to get over 250 yards effectively without going to one of the custom guns or 700 ultimate (assuming you can get an accurate load at high velocity).

Bullet selection is as critical as rifle selection when you want to shoot long range muzzleloaders. Find a bullet that has a high BC (.400 or higher) and you on your way. Needless to say the flying bricks with huge hollowpoints are not the desired profile. I shoot to 500 yards with my custom muzzleloader guns and BH209 but it takes some stout loads to get there.

if using the 1000 max fpe for elk what would be the max distance you could use a rem with 200 grns of powder to safely kill an elk

Most use the 1000 fpe for deer and 1500 fpe for elk s minimums. Deciding on how far all depends on bullet choice. A bullet with high BC will shed less velocity and energy to give more downrange energy. This means heavy pointed bullets which also gives the shooter a higher sectional density allowing for better penetration.

Remington says you can get "over 2400 fps" with 200 gr charge. Assuming 24225 fps with a 300 gr bullet that has a .280 BC (Remington sabot), you will have just over 1500 fpe at 325 yards. This assumes you get a good group at 2425 fps. If you step up to a Parker Ballistic Extreme 300 gr you can stretch those numbers out to 350 yards, but the jacket is only .015" thick so if you get a close shot it will open up very rapidly with a 2400 fps muzzle velocity. You can step up to a 300 gr Match Hunter bullet that has a .028" thick jacket and needs 1600 fps to open. This bullet will give you 1500 fpe at 475 yards but the velocity drops to 1500 fps. At 400 yards you have 16226 fps and 1760 fpe. Again this assumes a good group.

One thing you will definitely have at 200 gr charges is a lot of recoil.