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OchocoKid
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Jul-07-17, 
09:14 AM (MST)
"Basic questions"


I've owned a 700 Ml for years but fired it very little. I've drawn a tag I need to use it this year and I really don't know much about muzzle loaders.


In OR I have to use exposed ignition so I'll use musket caps, loose powder and a Thor bullet.


Can I leave it loaded or does it have to be unloaded every night? I've heard both.

What is the best powder to use?

Why is it no matter what I read it always says to use 120gr of powder? this makes no sense. different styles and weights of bullets can't take the same charge.

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 Subject   Author   Message Date   ID 
 RE: Basic ques...  sjhgraysage      Jul-07-17   1 
  RE: Basic ques...  Fubarracin      Jul-07-17   2 
   RE: Basic ques...  txhunter58      Jul-07-17   3 
    RE: Basic ques...  elkassassin      Jul-07-17   4 
 RE: Basic ques...  hntbambi      Jul-07-17   5 
  RE: Basic ques...  elkassassin      Jul-07-17   6 
   RE: Basic ques...  OchocoKid      Jul-12-17   7 
    RE: Basic ques...  hntbambi      Jul-13-17   8 
 RE: Basic ques...  buckhorn      Jul-13-17   9 

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sjhgraysage
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Jul-07-17, 
10:08 AM (MST)
1. "RE: Basic questions"

I don't own that specific muzzleloader.
I do think you can leave it loaded for an entire hunt as long as it remains fairly dry.

My loading procedure is this: before loading swab the bore and breach plug free of oil, make sure the flash hole in the nipple and breech plug are clear, load the powder and bullet.
Then after that I cap it with whatever cap or primer I'm using. If I have to get back in the vehicle the cap or primer is removed.

I kept 2 muzzleloaders loaded like this for an entire hunt in October and then fired the loads out in January, using percussion caps both went boom just fine.

I use whatever powder load gives the best accuracy, there is lots of good starting info out there if someone wants to spend the time researching loads.
Good luck on your hunt!

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Jul-07-17, 
10:17 AM (MST)
2. "RE: Basic questions"

I don't have that rifle either but if memory serves me correctly I think 120 is max for that rifle. Iv always found my accuracy load well below max some rifles as low as 60 grain by volume. Experiment and find what your rifle wants to eat, and good luck on your hunt!

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Jul-07-17, 
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3. "RE: Basic questions"

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My elk load using BH 209 is 95 gr of powder. Don't know if your rifle can shoot that or not or if it is legal, because you have to use a 209 primer

When I have used pyrodex or 777, I have never used over 110 gr of powder, usually in the 95-105 range. Have never used over 110. I usually start at 90 gr of powder, shoot three times, then 95, shoot 3 times, 100, 105. Usually by that point I have an accurate load.

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Jul-07-17, 
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4. "RE: Basic questions"

JUDAS!

Finally!

Something He Doesn't Know Everything about

Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
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Jul-07-17, 
08:59 PM (MST)
5. "RE: Basic questions"

Your 700ML is not setup for BlackHorn 209 powder. You need to use Pyrodex or Triple7. Since you are using musket caps, I would lean towards Pyrodex or real black powder. Head to the range and start at 100 gr of powder and work up/down to get the accuracy you desire.

The 700ML is a great platform to create a very high performance muzzleloader but in original form it has a few drawbacks. While everyone I shot was capable of MOA accuracy with sabots, they have a lot of leakage back to the action. Be sure to clean the rifle thoroughly and immediately after each range session or it will be a rust bucket. With all of the leakage it is highly recommended to tear apart the bolt and clean the firing pin and spring as well.

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Jul-07-17, 
09:14 PM (MST)
6. "RE: Basic questions"

Not All Remington 700 ML's are Accurate with SABOT's!

3fff NASTY Black!(No More than 90 Grains by Volume!)

I'd Get a NEW Replacement Spring for the Bolt!

I Wouldn't Screw with Pyrodex!

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Jul-12-17, 
10:34 PM (MST)
7. "RE: Basic questions"


I thought they came up with some less corrosive alternatives to black powder in recent years?

what little I've used this rifle I've shot pyrodex , it seemed to work okay but I hoped there was something less corrosive. if not I'll try it again.

But not until this fire danger subsides bit. we had a fire started by guys shooting centerfires this week.


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Jul-13-17, 
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8. "RE: Basic questions"

They have done just that and it is called BlackHorn 209. The original 700ML is not capable of reliably igniting it without some modifications, and that removes the exposed ignition.

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Jul-13-17, 
10:54 AM (MST)
9. "RE: Basic questions"

I have the same gun you do -50 caliber. I converted it to shoot 209 primers with the badger Ridge conversion kit and it works great. What state are you going to hunt in?

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