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jekennedy
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Jul-10-17, 
05:23 PM (MST)
"muzzleloader elk load"

my question is will a 290 grain barnes ez bullet pushed by 100 gr. of 777 pellets perform and open up like it supposed to out to 250 yds. Drew a unit34 muzzleloader elk tag in new mexico and looking for advice.

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 Subject   Author   Message Date   ID 
 RE: muzzleload...  buckhorn      Jul-11-17   1 
 RE: muzzleload...  Thomas11      Jul-11-17   2 
  RE: muzzleload...  huntjoep      Jul-11-17   3 
   RE: muzzleload...  Elkextreme      Jul-14-17   4 
    RE: muzzleload...  N_Corey      Jul-16-17   5 
 RE: muzzleload...  MTN_Infantry      Jul-18-17   6 
  RE: muzzleload...  jekennedy      Jul-18-17   7 
   RE: muzzleload...  buckhorn      Jul-18-17   8 
    RE: muzzleload...  cowtag      Jul-18-17   9 
     RE: muzzleload...  Fubarracin      Jul-19-17   11 
    RE: muzzleload...  jekennedy      Jul-18-17   10 
     RE: muzzleload...  kalielkslay...      Jul-27-17   12 
      RE: muzzleload...  jekennedy      Jul-27-17   13 
 RE: muzzleload...  jekennedy      Apr-09-18   14 
  RE: muzzleload...  Muley      Apr-10-18   15 
   RE: muzzleload...  txhunter58      Apr-10-18   16 
    RE: muzzleload...  jekennedy      Apr-10-18   17 
     RE: muzzleload...  sjhgraysage      Apr-13-18   18 
      RE: muzzleload...  jekennedy      Apr-14-18   19 
       RE: muzzleload...  Elkchaser45...      Apr-16-18   20 
        RE: muzzleload...  Cantwait2hu...      May-02-18   21 
         RE: muzzleload...  jekennedy      May-03-18   22 
 RE: muzzleload...  scottfisher      May-27-18   23 

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buckhorn
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Jul-11-17, 
12:32 PM (MST)
1. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

According to the little booklet you get when you buy a pack of Barnes Bullets you need 1100 ft./s on impact to open those up. I'm not sure you quite have that with only 100 grains of 777

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Jul-11-17, 
02:09 PM (MST)
2. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

>my question is will a 290
>grain barnes ez bullet pushed
>by 100 gr. of 777
>pellets perform and open up
>like it supposed to out
>to 250 yds. Drew a
>unit34 muzzleloader elk tag in
>new mexico and looking for
>advice.


I had the same question except with pyrodex pellets but that should yield very similar velocities. The consensus I got was 200 yards would be the very most that u should feel good at and honestly I'm thinking 150-175 for my effective range

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Jul-11-17, 
09:46 PM (MST)
3. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

110 grains bh209 with 290 tez works.

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Jul-14-17, 
02:12 PM (MST)
4. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

90 grain of blackhorn with 300 grain Hornaday works well for me

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Jul-16-17, 
08:16 PM (MST)
5. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

To answer the ops question I don't think you'll have the required velocity for that bullet at 250yds with only 100 grains of powder. To get the velocity needed at the extended ranges you have to push most muzzleloaders close to their limits.

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MTN_Infantry
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Jul-18-17, 
11:06 AM (MST)
6. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

As previously mentioned I think you're going to need to mix things up a little to get more energy out of the bullet. I drew the same tag as you this year and will almost certainly be shooting Blackhorn 209 out of my Strikerfire.

I'm playing around with a bunch of bullet, sabot and powder combinations to see what works best.

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Jul-18-17, 
11:49 AM (MST)
7. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

Thanks to everyone for their replys. I think I am going to bump up and try 120 grains of 777 see what my groups are and check my speeds. If still not satisfied will try blackhorn 209. My goal is to shoot the 290gr. Barnes bullet out to 250 yds and have perform and peel back in 6 sections without loosing accuracy. Congrats MTN_Infantry on drawing the tag I hope your as excited as I am.

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Jul-18-17, 
03:55 PM (MST)
8. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

LAST EDITED ON Jul-18-17 AT 03:57 PM (MST)

I shoot the Barnes 290 grain TMZ bullets as well. My gun is the older Remington model 700 muzzleloader with the 209 conversion from badger Ridge. My powder charge is blackhorn 209 80 grains by weight which is about 105 grains volume. After swabblng the barrel I shoot a foul shot. Then I get good groups on the next three or four shots and then need to swab again. I really don't want to increase my powder charge because it already is kicking me hard enough and I'm probably pushing my gun to the limits. I'm confident this load will kill a deer or elk out to 300 yards if hit correctly.

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Jul-18-17, 
04:11 PM (MST)
9. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

Buck Horn, Is the Barnes 290 grain TMZ bullet legal in Colorado for hunting elk?

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Jul-19-17, 
04:15 AM (MST)
11. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

>Buck Horn, Is the Barnes 290
>grain TMZ bullet legal in
>Colorado for hunting elk?


No not for use in colorado.

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jekennedy
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Jul-18-17, 
07:48 PM (MST)
10. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

Thanks buckhorn and everyone for info. Going shooting this weekend to try and get this nailed down. 11 weeks before heading to New Mexico to put it to the test

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Jul-27-17, 
00:18 AM (MST)
12. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

How did the shooting session go?

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jekennedy
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Jul-27-17, 
11:06 AM (MST)
13. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

I shot 110g and 120g of triple seven, both grouped well. I am going with the 120gr load. I have a leupold muzzloader scope and the 120g load was right on with the yardage crosshairs, and with 1800' muzzle velocity the bullet should perform out to 250yds.

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Apr-09-18, 
08:58 PM (MST)
14. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

As I am sitting here waiting patiently for New Mexico and Montana draw it makes me reflect on last years hunt. I want to thank everyone again for the response I received on a load for elk. I was fortunate enough to harvest my best bull on a diy public land hunt. Good luck to all on their draws this year. Photo of bull is in gallery on November 17

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Apr-10-18, 
07:06 AM (MST)
15. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

Some reason you can't get closer than 250yds?

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Apr-10-18, 
04:08 PM (MST)
16. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

Glad you got one! Post up some pictures! I will probably use a similar load when I get picked for Utah one of these years.

When I get picked I want to know a load would be good for 250 as well. Hopefully it won't be needed, but that would probably be my max range as well.

txhunter58

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Apr-10-18, 
05:10 PM (MST)
17. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

There are pictures posted in the 2017 gallery. They were posted on 11/17 under John Kennedy. I was extremely happy the way the load performed. He was shot at 50 yds but had full confidence in 250 if needed

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Apr-13-18, 
01:27 PM (MST)
18. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

Congrats on harvesting your bull!
I have looked for the photos but so far have not found them.

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jekennedy
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Apr-14-18, 
10:42 AM (MST)
19. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

Here’s a pic

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Elkchaser4570
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Apr-16-18, 
07:59 AM (MST)
20. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

Nice!! Congrats!

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Cantwait2hunt
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May-02-18, 
07:20 PM (MST)
21. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

Nice ! Which unit ?

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May-03-18, 
05:48 PM (MST)
22. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

Unit 34. Wasn’t lucky in the draw this year. Looking for a landowner tag if anyone has any leads

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May-27-18, 
01:04 AM (MST)
23. "RE: muzzleloader elk load"

I cant even begin to tell you how much I hate copper bullets. If its a law that you have to use them then ok use them. If its not a law then any other bullet would be better. Also I really like Blackhorn 209 powder. Great stuff. I've had good luck with Thompson Center bonded and PT Scorpion bullets.

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