Knight Rifle - Is it worth it?

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I purchased a Knight Rifle that was one of the original Orange DISC rifles. I put an old cheap Weaver 6X scope on it. I get hang fires with 209 powder of which I expected. I tried 85 grains of Black powder and was really disappointed with a 4 1/2 inch group at 100 yards. Then I bumped the powder up to 90 grains of Swiss BP and I am now consistently getting 1" to 1 1/2" groups with this gun.

Is it worth double the purchase cost of the gun by upgrading it to shoot 209 with the Extreme Kit or leave it the way it is? :eek: (Letter o)
 
IMHO:
Blackhorn powder is easier to clean up after shooting, but you still have to clean the gun regardless of powder used, and it is really expensive. If you are getting decent groups with another powder and enough velocity to do the job, it does not seem like you would gain all that much by converting it.

If you do decide to convert it, the newer style breech plug for bare primer and the companion bolt would give you a bit more versatility.
 
I guess I will leave it alone. I went to the range this morning with the full intent of shooting at 200 yards with the Knight. I shot three shots with a 300 grain Hornady bullet and ribbed sabot. The result was a 2 1/8 inch group. I then shot three 400 grain cast bullets with sabots. The first two were about the same as above. The third was 4" low from the farthest shot, but I knew Immediately I had dropped the shot. Guess I will keep the gun as-is. Seems like it is a pretty fair shooter.

The down side is with the Swiss BP you have to spit-patch clean the barrel about every other shot.
 
I have a Knight disc thumbhole extreme and i wouldnt trade that rifle for anything.
I'm shooting triple 7 powder and primers and 245gr power belts.
 
Had that exact gun for 12 years. I shot pyrodex pellets through it, 245 knight sabots. The stock on them is cheap paint. My "camo" was nearly completely worn off.


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
Knight didn't interest me much until I got the 2 1/4" group at 200 yards with 6X cheap old weaver scope. I went on their site. They have some really nice looking products from long range ML to break action like TC and CVA. If their guns are as good as their line shows they are a company to consider.
 
>Knight didn't interest me much until
>I got the 2 1/4"
>group at 200 yards with
>6X cheap old weaver scope.
> I went on their
>site. They have some
>really nice looking products from
>long range ML to break
>action like TC and CVA.
> If their guns are
>as good as their line
>shows they are a company
>to consider.


Yes, worth it. The original Disk muzzle loader is good. I had a similar issue and Knight's-recommendation was to change the breach plug.

Also, BH is not recommended on the original disk muzzle loader. Got this information from knight.
 
I also have the original Knight disc and have been shooting BH209 for a few years now. I've never had a problem and have yet to convert over to the other system; are you using the magnum primers? If not that is your problem, you can't use standard primers with BH209.
 
That is probably my problem then. Do you use a drill bit to clean out the breech plug with the 209 crust that builds up?
 
No, it's doesnt get dirty like traditional powder or pyrodex. I do use pipe cleaners to run through it when I clean it.

You don't have to make any modifications or changes to the firearm other than to use the magnum primers in the orange disks. I've shot 20 plus rounds between cleanings and have never had a problem. The thing is a tacdriver! My Knight likes 90gr of BH209 and the Barnes TMZ bullet.

I weigh my powder before hand and have it ready to go when I go to the range. Consistency is key to sub moa results.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-24-18 AT 12:52PM (MST)[p]We shall agree to disagree.... I soak my breech plug in the BH209 solvent and have never had an issue. The breech plug looks brand new, and the ignition hole is the same size as when I bought it (verified). I have had a few friends who did the drill bit option and have ended up replacing plugs as the hole get bigger if you don't have a drill press.
 
Went out tonight and shot with the mag caps. First shot was a hang-fire and after that every shot went well. I can get 1 to 1.5" - 100 yard groups with Swiss Black Powder. The Black Horn, on the other hand, was over 2 1/2" - 100 yard groups with 85 volume grains of #209 powder. Maybe I will bump it up to 70 weight, 100 volume load of the 209 and see if that will reduce the group.

Any thoughts?
 
for what its worth...I use the 460 grn no-excuse in the same rifle with about 65 (volume) BH. I get clover leaf results with a scope at 100. I use a track of the wolf felt wad and I am right between 1450 and 1480 FPS. I found with the BH that if I basked off and gave up a little speed my accuracy went way up. Just a little food for thought.
 
Utah,

That is a big bullet. On some my other guns I shoot a 400 gr and also a 540 grain, but they are paper patch bullets. Tonight I bumped the powder up to 100 grain by volume using a 300 grn Hornady XTP and I got a very good group. With a felt pad I'm sure you are not using a sabot? I'm guessing it is a 50 caliber with a 1 in 28" twist? With one of my other guns I was shooting a 400 grain bullet with 85 grains of Swiss Black Powder at 1345 FPS.

Would appreciate any information you would like to add.
 
I have a 50 cal Knight Disc Extreme, pre-lubed wads and the 460 noexcuse 50 cal bullet. I use the wad to help prevent deforming the base of the bullet. I played with several loads and settled on about 65 grns (by volume). I could get higher velcity with more BH. I think I worked up to about 80 but the recoil was significant and the group opened up a bit.

When I check the ballistics of that round...I have more than enough energy for the distances I shoot.

I used the BH because there was less cleaning between shots and I got better velocity.

Previously I had always shot Sabots but the full size conicals are very accurate. I was a bit surprised but I was trying to build a load for CO elk and ended up with a single load for all states because of the accuracy.

Let me know what additional
Info you might want.

Good luck this season
 
Interesting. I have five ML'ers with fast twist barrels(actually four, but one has two barrels) from 18" twist to 28" twist. I have not found one that will group with the lower amount of powder. Three of them are side hammers and use paper patch bullets. The other two are sabot shooters. Believe me I've spent a lot of time on the range trying to find a combination that will shoot a group with less powder. I use Swiss black powder on the side hammers and BH on the other two. 85 grains is the lowest I can seem to go and that is pushing a 540 grain bullet with Swiss BP. The other side hammer with a 24" twist and 400 grain bullet and shoots 90 grains of BP best. All the others shoot a 300 grain 45 caliber sabot the best(I take that back. I did shoot a Spitzer 295 grain bullet that had a better group, but you had to jump on the ramrod to get it down. I didn't like that at all and for a fraction of an inch it wasn't for me.)
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-28-18 AT 02:32PM (MST)[p]

utfireman.

If you keep shooting this breechplug and don't use the drillbit, you will eventually have a misfire due to buildup. You can't see the buildup. I went out today and shot around 10 shots and had a lot of buildup. There is no way your "soak" will dissolve that.

Watch the video, and as stated, you don't actually use a drill. I have a pair of pliers that I hold the drillbit and turn the breechplug with my fingers.

Try it once and you won't believe how much your get out. Be sure and find the right size bit and go ONLY from the primer pocket end. Good luck

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Utah, Are you sure you didn't mean 65 grains of #209 by weight? The way written would mean you are only putting in 45 grains by weight and I don't think that would ever give you that velocity; however, I may be wrong.
 

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