Do you believe an 800 yd shoot ?

couesmaniac · Jan 30, 2005

I saw a buddy of mine shoot a coues deer buck(104) and hit him twice at 800 yds he had his gun set up by a gun expert here in az Phoenix I believe how many of you guys have guns like that? Great time in mexico but no BC Bucks CM

Someburro · Feb 1, 2005

That's not hunting, it's shooting.

Take up target shooting or join the military.

couesmaniac · Feb 1, 2005

You may be right but you still have to find the target at 800 yrds!in brush, maybe thats why I only got one response so far others may have those types of rifles? I wonder how they feel?CM

couesmaniac · Feb 10, 2005

What if you walk 2miles Hunt all day shot him at 800 yards and then carry him back to the truck using flashlights is that hunting? or shooting? or is that shooting and walking alot CM

Someburro · Feb 10, 2005

1. It's not hunting

2. It's not the rifle. Just about any factory rifle is capable of making that shot. It's the skill of the shooter or just dumb azz luck.

azelkmaniac · Feb 11, 2005

Someburro,
You are correct in saying it's not the rifle. Really, It's not JUST the rifle. To make those kinds of shots consistantly, there are a lot of ingredients in the recipe. I think that a "factory" gun could make that shot as long as it had the right ingredients, i.e. trigger-pull adjustments, optics, ammo reloaded specifically for that rifle, practice, practice, practice, and a clean barrel. A person making that shot should never say that it was luck, if he/she does then they took an unethical shot. Conditions have to be perfect and the squeeze has to be even more perfect.
I hunted with a friend this year in Mexico who shot a buck at 711 yards. From the time the deer was glassed to the time he was shot through both front shoulders was under One minute (that was as amazing as the distance of the shot). For somebody to say that we didn't "hunt" that deer would have to walk the 8+ miles we did that day and glass your balls off like we did. Sometimes terain doesn't allow a hunter to get closer like it was in our case. The conditions were right, we new the exact yardage, we knew exactly what his bullet did at that yardage, there was no obstruction between us and the buck, and he made a phenominal squeeze. He told me where he was going to hit it before he shot. Not a cocky thing, but a confident thing. Not for one second did I doubt him or his rifle, nor did I think he was taking a lucky shot.
Got way off on a tangent, but those of us who are into this looooong range shooting can get pretty extreme, and I'm definitely a believer. That is just my two cents. Chris Jacob

couesmaniac · Feb 11, 2005

I agree with AZelkmaniac Your Right we Had the same situation, how many great bucks have you lost trying to get closer kick out a doe that runs right at your trophy, personally I dont try anything over 300 because I know I can hit that. CM

shedhunter2 · Feb 11, 2005

It takes more skill to make an 800yd shot than it does to stalk into 200yds....

Someburro · Feb 12, 2005

>It takes more skill to make
>an 800yd shot than it
>does to stalk into 200yds....
>

I agree, that's why an 800 yard shot is shooting and not hunting.

Gator · Mar 20, 2005

I love to shoot L.D that why I got a couple of 30-378, One Sako and one Wthby. Both can and will kill out that far and farther. Last Year I shoot a coyote at 782 yards, Some don't like LDS(long Distance shooting) Some can't do it, some would do it, BUT there is nothing wrong with it It's just each hunter to own way of hunting. I have killed deer over 500 yds, and I was just as thrilled as I was on that 200 yd kill. I also have shot deer at 182 yds with a ML and I know alot of folks will not take a shot over a 100 yds, But hey that their limit not mine.I probaly shoot more money in reloads then what my tags cost each year.

I use a Mil-dot setup for the 1st crosshair is on 300 yds next dot is 400 then 500 then 600 then 700 the top of the post on the bottom is my 800 yd. They all don't hit right on at those yds my 600 is a few inches high my 700 is a few inches low But if you shoot enough you get the feel where you need to be.I have friends who borrow these same rifles each year to hunt those little deer.

Just give a World record at 700 yds and it wouldn't just be a hope and a prayer of hitting him,I have shoot a 7" group at that range so I have a ton confidence in myself to be able to shoot that far. I know alot of hunters say I should be in spitting range that for them and not for me. I'm a LDS hunter.LOL

D13er · Mar 20, 2005

Latter Day Saint ?????

JB

Gator · Mar 21, 2005

LDS " LONG DISTANCE SHOOTER" LMAO

sneakem · Mar 22, 2005

I wonder what Chuck Adams would say if you told him that 800 yards was as close as you could get and there was no way to get closer? So you can shoot 800 yards, many don't need or have the desire to. To some that may be hunting, but then again its like comparing softball to baseball. You may be able to hit the ball over the fence everytime in softball and think to yourself its all skill....let see you do it with an 80 mile per hour curve and a ball half the size and then you'll see skill.....

Gator · Mar 23, 2005

So what are you saying if I don't bowhunt like Chuck I not a hunter, Sorry to spoil it for ya but I Bowhunt, ML,and Rifle hunt,I have killed buck's in all the 3 season's. I have killed deer as close as 10 ft and as far 503 yds, Will I take a 700-800yds shot if that is would is left to me and I can't get closer without blowing it I will take the shot for where I'm at: Like I said to each he's own. As my wife say's if there was a hatchet season I would be out there too.

As far as balls go My favorite saying is:

Wrestlers have them and other's play with them:

Have a great season, hope you get close enough for your method of hunting.

couesmaniac · Mar 23, 2005

Sneakem Have you ever hunted coues deer? Some of these shoots are over 500 yds funny that you mention Chuck adams he has hunted the same ranch in mexico where my friend killed this buck at 800yds He has not killed yet but his father has killed a few. that was our only shoot at this buck we could have tried to move closer but why run the chance of losing a trophy when you have the equipment and marksmanship to kill at that distance, and don't consider my friend a shooter not a hunter until you walk in his shoes he killed a nice bull elk(345) at 20 yds with a bow 2004 is that hunting or shooting tell me!! CM

sneakem · Mar 24, 2005

Its not that I'm knocking you or your friend... Take it like this. I grew up shooting traditional and since have gotten into shoot the new compounds. I am a competitive shooter, and shoot many tournaments. With the new bows it is easier to shoot longer distances...with a rangefinder and exact yardages I can hit pie plates consistently at 120 yards. Does this mean, since I can accurately shoot this far, I should "ethically" take a shot at an animal this far.... Too many factors...windage for one...and if you think wind wont effect a bullet over 800 yards your crazier than I thought and wind isn't always consistent. Yeah good shooters compensate for the wind....but things can still go wrong. I won't chance an animal suffering due to my need to have a "trophy rack". Elk are a little different...because you can call them. No I have not had a tag for coues but have hunted with friends...and have been within archery range of several nice bucks... and for the record I have hunted antelope once with a bow...Killed my first and only on the stalk. Now thats hunting...belly crawled for 600 yards (4hours) in 6" tall sage and cactus to 50 yards...picked cactus out of my legs and knees for weeks....
I'm not putting your friend down...I just dont think its ethical...last time I checked every man has a right to his opinion, I didn't say you and your friends are scumbags because you do so...To each his own...

ddy58 · Mar 25, 2005

LAST EDITED ON Mar-25-05 AT 10:23PM (MST)[p]The Coues forum is getting slllllllllllow.

Everyones entitled to there opinion, so heres mine.

One: If you want to see how accurate you can shoot. Shoot at something that wont suffer if the wind is blowing a little different than you thought.

Two: If you seriously cant get closer than 800 yards either pick another time and place or get out of your truck.

Three: If you have to shoot a hundred pound Coues twice, the first one obviously wasnt good enough.

fisrtcoueswas80inches · Mar 26, 2005

i like that " wrestlers have them, others play with them" wrestling is awesome! wrestled in highschool, made me a much better football player!
Casey

couesmaniac · Mar 26, 2005

ddy58 do you not have a clue? or does sitting in tree stands make you want to talk? even from the truck 800yds is far! you should come coues hunting in AZ, and try to stay with us there has not been many real coues deer hunters reply because they know whats going on, those that have replied have their opinion and that is fine but you won't find any coues near a feeder!! and we dont shoot from a deer stand or the truck thanks for your insight My opinion!! CM

Gator · Mar 27, 2005

I help coach wrestling for High school and freestyle,About 20 years worth. Another good one is: Here hold my headgear well I kiss your girlfriend.

cooznut · Mar 27, 2005

Clint,
I,ve hunted coues deer for 30 years. I,ve never been in a situation where I couldn't get considerable closer than 800 yards!

couesmaniac · Mar 27, 2005

We probably could of got closer except it was the last day in the evening we were leaving the next day the buck was on a northface that was covered with trees you know how terrain is here we were on the open face very little cover between the buck and ourselves . the hunter felt he could hit it because he had done it before.Myself 300yds is my max his is 800 with the mill dots I had no bad feeling about the shoot. I was amazed to see it done thats all I am saying and people try to judge you who dont even know you I guess thats what makes it fun to be in this forum your right cooznut I like your name to Later CM

ddy58 · Mar 27, 2005

couesmaniac,

First, i've never set foot in a treestand in my life. The majority of my hunting is high country muley bowhunting.

Second, here is the coues I shot this year at 18 yard still hunting along way from my truck.

And finally it is good your max range is 300, that is a little more reasonable. But you are also judged by the people you associate with. And you didnt respond about why it took two shots if hes such a great shot.

fisrtcoueswas80inches · Mar 28, 2005

gator, i like the shirt that reads " first place trophy and your girlfriends number, not a bad day on the mat"
Casey
ps, also like the top ten reasons to date a wrestkler #####

Gator · Mar 29, 2005

That one is good, I like it

couesmaniac · Mar 29, 2005

The first shoot hit him but he was still moving around so he hit him again! Nice coues buck! Why is long distance shooting associated with hunting from your truck. I see your nice picture and I Dont assume that you killed it from the truck.CM

ddy58 · Mar 30, 2005

"The first shoot hit him" should be first shot

Im not insinuating you hunt out of your truck, but Ive heard alot of people talk about long shots they have taken from their vehicles.

My post was only my opinion so your free to do as you please.

couesmaniac · Mar 30, 2005

Have you ever lost something you shot? Ever shoot an animal Twice? and that is I'm not IM, and I've not Ive.CM

ddy58 · Mar 30, 2005

I've never claimed to be some super shot, but no i have never needed a second shot or lost an animal. All my rifle shots have been within two hundred yards and within thirty with my bow.

I would rather wait for another day than take a marginal shot.