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MHIC2
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I cant figure it out. The numbers are getting worse every year. No sheds in the winter areas, no deer in the summer range and no deer during hunting season. Time to find another area.
This is not just a Czone problem, but one that is affecting all zones, in every western state.
Here on the central coast we have loads of lions and the numbers of blacktails is dropping in the public land areas. I hunt eastern oregon every year and I see this up there as well...
Here on the central coast we have loads of lions and the numbers of blacktails is dropping in the public land areas. I hunt eastern oregon every year and I see this up there as well...
Blacktailslayer
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I was talking with the deer biologist for that area about 2 years ago, and he told me that in the near future it will be turned into an X zone to limit the number of tags. That doesn't sound good.
There are still some bruisers, but yes less deer.
Three reasons.
1. Vegetation is going away. i.e. timber forest that cannot be harvested choking out ground growth that deer eat.
2. Lions eat deer (all deer not just the old and weak). California has lots of lions.
3. Bears eat fawns (their favorite summer food). California bear numbers are way up.
And beleive it or not other predators Coyotes and bobcats will take deer.
The numbers cannot come back until these things are corrected.
We just have to hunt harder. Maybe if the grandchild of a high ranking polition is eaten then the legislation will change.
Bowguy
Three reasons.
1. Vegetation is going away. i.e. timber forest that cannot be harvested choking out ground growth that deer eat.
2. Lions eat deer (all deer not just the old and weak). California has lots of lions.
3. Bears eat fawns (their favorite summer food). California bear numbers are way up.
And beleive it or not other predators Coyotes and bobcats will take deer.
The numbers cannot come back until these things are corrected.
We just have to hunt harder. Maybe if the grandchild of a high ranking polition is eaten then the legislation will change.
Bowguy
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manny15
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I started guiding the C-zone in 91 shortly after the deer population began to plummet, the lions are the biggest prob but that's about the time the spotted owl thing came up and they stopped clear cutting timber, gotta have feed and habitat and pred control... oh, shut down the guide serv in 2001, no more deer to harvest?.
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wmidbrook
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I think there's a lot of factors. Food sources have gone down a lot from forest management spraying practices (killing off the trees' competition that deer like to eat with ##### like Garland, 24T, etc.). Most people hunt where logging activity occurs. And like manny says, predators are way up...cougars/bears/coyotes.
Also, I think buck:doe ratios can get too, too low in some areas from too many tags issued. When too low, I believe some does do not get knocked up....I may be wrong, but it makes sense to me. I think that immature forkeys just dont' know what to do with themselves during the rut sometimes...lol.
Yeah, when they have to fight for it for a couple of years to get it, they've got more vim & viger...know what I mean? If they got it handed to 'em on a silver platter, they don't have the same degree of interest.
I think there's a lot of factors. Food sources have gone down a lot from forest management spraying practices (killing off the trees' competition that deer like to eat with ##### like Garland, 24T, etc.). Most people hunt where logging activity occurs. And like manny says, predators are way up...cougars/bears/coyotes.
Also, I think buck:doe ratios can get too, too low in some areas from too many tags issued. When too low, I believe some does do not get knocked up....I may be wrong, but it makes sense to me. I think that immature forkeys just dont' know what to do with themselves during the rut sometimes...lol.
Yeah, when they have to fight for it for a couple of years to get it, they've got more vim & viger...know what I mean? If they got it handed to 'em on a silver platter, they don't have the same degree of interest.
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manny15
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Anybody know what the tag alotted this year was..?.. they ran out early this year, this is the first year I've missed getting a C tag...
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MHIC2
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You probably wont miss much Manny. I'll be down there in our neck of the woods again.My dad was down there last weekend in a spot I run into you sometimes and never saw hair. Big problem with a new neighbor letting his dogs run loose.
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manny15
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>You probably wont miss much Manny.
>I'll be down there in
>our neck of the woods
>again.My dad was down there
>last weekend in a spot
>I run into you sometimes
>and never saw hair. Big
>problem with a new neighbor
>letting his dogs run loose.
>
mike' you must be talking about Stan, well buddy I won't be there any more we moved up into white city, I'll be huntin here from now on..LOL..
>I'll be down there in
>our neck of the woods
>again.My dad was down there
>last weekend in a spot
>I run into you sometimes
>and never saw hair. Big
>problem with a new neighbor
>letting his dogs run loose.
>
mike' you must be talking about Stan, well buddy I won't be there any more we moved up into white city, I'll be huntin here from now on..LOL..
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MHIC2
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I was born n raised in Medford. My buddy was hunting out of a tree stand just up Hwy 140 from you last weekend and had a 26"+ non typical blackie stay just outa range.
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manny15
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>I was born n raised in
>Medford. My buddy was hunting
>out of a tree stand
>just up Hwy 140 from
>you last weekend and had
>a 26"+ non typical blackie
>stay just outa range.
maybe he'll still be walking around come rifle season...? 'eh
>Medford. My buddy was hunting
>out of a tree stand
>just up Hwy 140 from
>you last weekend and had
>a 26"+ non typical blackie
>stay just outa range.
maybe he'll still be walking around come rifle season...? 'eh
