.338 Lapua, .338 RUM, or 338-378?

HorseCreek · Dec 16, 2013

Which would you choose and why? It won't be an everyday gun. Elk gun and range. I certainly don't need one but I WANT one. Cost per round isn't an issue. I understand they are all expensive

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264mag · Dec 16, 2013

300 rum. I bought a Rem and liked that caliber so much I bought a H-S precision also in 300rum.

REDDOG · Dec 16, 2013

Lapua

HuntinFool · Dec 16, 2013

I went with the Lapua. I don't know too much about the .338 rum, but I personally think that the lapua and the 338-378 are extremely close performance wise. I actually bought a mark v 338-378, but took it back when I tried to find ammo and brass. The availability of ammo and components, and the non belted cartridge is the reason I went with the lapua.

HorseCreek · Dec 17, 2013

>I went with the Lapua. I
>don't know too much about
>the .338 rum, but I
>personally think that the lapua
>and the 338-378 are extremely
>close performance wise. I actually
>bought a mark v 338-378,
>but took it back when
>I tried to find ammo
>and brass. The availability of
>ammo and components, and the
>non belted cartridge is the
>reason I went with the
>lapua.
>

What gun did you buy in the lapua?

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Cahunter805 · Dec 17, 2013

I say you build a 338edge!

lip_curl · Dec 17, 2013

depends on what bullet you want to shoot. the lapua was developed to shoot a 250g bullet. I believe the 338 norma was developed specifically for the 300g bullet and is ballistically almost identical to the lapua. the shoulder angle of the norma gives you more room to play with the seating depth and fine tune your load.
that being said, i bought a remington police sniper 338lapua (24" barrel) and aside from weighing 10lbs,i am pretty pleased with it. itll put 300g bergers in the same hole at 100 and ive gotten an 18" group at 1000. at 800 yards+ any slight wind starts moving your group 12+ inches, so im about at the point of leaving well enough alone. having read a little about the norma, if i had it to over again, id like to build a 338norma with a 26" carbon fiber PROOF barrel. non belted case, depth adjustability and a couple pounds lighter so you could actually take it on an elk hunt.

HorseCreek · Dec 17, 2013

This is the gun I'm looking at.
http://www.weatherby.com/product/rifles/markv/accumark_lapua
Savage has a couple models but I haven't got my hands on one yet.

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440sixpack · Dec 17, 2013

I hope you like recoil. or an oh my god amount of noise with a brake.

I have a super nice 338 RUM but it just kicks too much for me. I'd stick with a 300 if I were you.

Stay thirsty my friends

HuntinFool · Dec 17, 2013

I have the savage 110 fcp. It actually kicks less than my .270, but it is extremely loud

REDDOG · Dec 19, 2013

Horsecreek, I've shot a weatherby RC in 338 lapua, it was fantastic with my 300 grain SMK handloads. No worries on mag constraints with the 3.8" mag..I did however have some jump to the lands, but it wasnt an issue.

That said, when spending that much I'd like to build it to my specs as to have the throat cut just so,Made to be able to kiss the lands with the longest bullet and still work in the mag as a repeater , everything else will fall right into place.

Build it with a good aftermarket action with an DBM that lets you hit 3.8" or so and you'd be golden..I'd still stick with the Lapua, the norma is a nice design, but the only way i'd go with it is when dealing with mag constraints.The EDGE duplicates Lapua ballistics, but out of a much longer case. The 338LM caint be matched as far as components are concerned, and the only way i'd go EDGE over the LM is if i was dealing with a '700 action and was worried about the huge LM case head.

mtmuley · Dec 22, 2013

I'd build on the RUM, but I'm a RUM slut I guess. The RUM case gives a lot of bang for the buck. Cost concerns or not, shooting a bunch gets expensive. It's not hard to get a good RUM to shoot well either. mtmuley

HorseCreek · Dec 22, 2013

I'm leaning hard towards the Lapua...I'll post some pics when I finally pull the trigger!

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2f350s · Jan 14, 2014

All are powerful long-range medicine with pretty similar performance. I have experience with the .338 RUM as an every season elk gun and recommend it for; ammo availability, price (only a bit less) and Rem 700 platform performance.

BryceCanyon · Jan 30, 2014

LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-14 AT 10:51AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-14 AT 10:35?AM (MST)

What 2f350s said...

It's like politics, don't believe all of the hype but do your own research. I used to think .30 cal. was excessive and had no use for anything that big but one day my eyes were opened. The big .338's are amazing, the bullet carries forever with an amazing amount of retained energy. You talk about an elk round.

I put together a .338 RUM shooting 300 grain Bergers over Reloader 25 and never looked back.

26" Proof barrel on a Sendero action
Vais muzzle brake
Seekins DBM (3.9 COAL)
Nightforce 5.5-22x56

HorseCreek · Jan 30, 2014

Thanks for the responses. I'm still kicking it around but still leaning towards the Lapua.
Awesome bull! Dutton?

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BryceCanyon · Jan 30, 2014

Arizona

lip_curl · Feb 3, 2014

bryce-
have a report card for that proof barrel? it looks sexy, but does it shoot?

taking a gander at the seekins website...the long magazine gives you all the seating depth you would ever need, and thus negates all the arguments ive heard for the norma. (and saves me a set of dies and brass).

BryceCanyon · Feb 4, 2014

>bryce-
>have a report card for that
>proof barrel? it looks
>sexy, but does it shoot?
>
>
>taking a gander at the seekins
>website...the long magazine gives you
>all the seating depth you
>would ever need, and thus
>negates all the arguments ive
>heard for the norma.
>(and saves me a set
>of dies and brass).

Love my Proof barrel! I only have a few hundred rounds through it so far but it settled right down and shoots great. They also have great customer service.

I am also very happy with the Seekins DBM.

30Hart · Feb 4, 2014

LAST EDITED ON Feb-04-14 AT 08:29AM (MST)[p]Lapua if nothing else to use the brass. There's a reason 99% of winning competitive shooters use lapua brass. Team USA uses lapua brass. The 338 Norma would be a second choice.

AWHOLELOTTABULL · Feb 11, 2014

LAST EDITED ON Feb-12-14 AT 01:45AM (MST)[p]HC - I'm a little late on this one but there is a reason all of the military snipers are now jumping over to the .338 Edge. Amazing accuracy and you won't out shoot that gun. Hands down the most favorably looked on setup for long range out there now.

30hart is right though, a lot of competetive shooters in the F-Class discipline are shooting Lapuas. However, I shot at a National competition in Fort Benning Ga and the there were 6 Seal Team snipers competing. Every one of them shot a new Edge and they placed 1-6 against some of the best shooters in the Nation. I don't need any more proof than that. They are a third more in cost over the Lapua in general.

It's always an adventure!!!

HorseCreek · Feb 12, 2014

Here's your gun AWB,
http://www.utahgunexchange.com/ads/338-edge-rem-700-brux-barrel-mcmillan/
Pretty sexy rifle!

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REDDOG · Feb 14, 2014

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>HC - I'm a little late
>on this one but there
>is a reason all of
>the military snipers are now
>jumping over to the .338
>Edge. Amazing accuracy and
>you won't out shoot that
>gun. Hands down the
>most favorably looked on setup
>for long range out there
>now.
>
>30hart is right though, a lot
>of competetive shooters in the
>F-Class discipline are shooting Lapuas.
> However, I shot at
>a National competition in Fort
>Benning Ga and the there
>were 6 Seal Team snipers
>competing. Every one of
>them shot a new Edge
>and they placed 1-6 against
>some of the best shooters
>in the Nation. I
>don't need any more proof
>than that. They are
>a third more in cost
>over the Lapua in general.
>
>
>
>It's always an adventure!!!

one of the biggest crocks of horseshit i've read in awhile..thanks for the laugh.

HorseCreek · Feb 14, 2014

>>LAST EDITED ON Feb-12-14
>>AT 01:45?AM (MST)
>>
>>HC - I'm a little late
>>on this one but there
>>is a reason all of
>>the military snipers are now
>>jumping over to the .338
>>Edge. Amazing accuracy and
>>you won't out shoot that
>>gun. Hands down the
>>most favorably looked on setup
>>for long range out there
>>now.
>>
>>30hart is right though, a lot
>>of competetive shooters in the
>>F-Class discipline are shooting Lapuas.
>> However, I shot at
>>a National competition in Fort
>>Benning Ga and the there
>>were 6 Seal Team snipers
>>competing. Every one of
>>them shot a new Edge
>>and they placed 1-6 against
>>some of the best shooters
>>in the Nation. I
>>don't need any more proof
>>than that. They are
>>a third more in cost
>>over the Lapua in general.
>>
>>
>>
>>It's always an adventure!!!
>
>
>one of the biggest crocks of
>horseshit i've read in awhile..thanks
>for the laugh.

Care to elaborate???

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REDDOG · Feb 14, 2014

LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-14 AT 01:18AM (MST)[p]Sure, find a single branch of the military using the EDGE, including SEALS or other SF..there aint any.

Or find a SEAL that has EVER won at Benning..there aint one.Let alone 6..

His post threw me off, so i did ask a few guys before I spouted off..One runs a sniper school, the other instructed AMU at Benning for years. I've shot at Benning myself a few times,Never at the NRA shoot tho.

Bull's post alludes to the EDGE being THE "inherently" accurate 338..Its well known that thats Lapua territory.You caint out Lapua the Lapua, theres a reason they are the standard.

I have the utmost respect for Carlock and his EDGE, but it wont trump the Lapua, ever..The big draw to the EDGE is what i eluded to in an earlier post, the case head being compatible with the OEM '700 acton and tenon, thats it.

HorseCreek · Feb 15, 2014

>LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-14
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>
>Sure, find a single branch of
>the military using the EDGE,
>including SEALS or other SF..there
>aint any.
>
>Or find a SEAL that has
>EVER won at Benning..there aint
>one.Let alone 6..
>
>His post threw me off, so
>i did ask a few
>guys before I spouted off..One
>runs a sniper school, the
>other instructed AMU at Benning
>for years. I've shot at
>Benning myself a few times,Never
>at the NRA shoot tho.
>
>
>Bull's post alludes to the EDGE
>being THE "inherently" accurate 338..Its
>well known that thats Lapua
>territory.You caint out Lapua the
>Lapua, theres a reason they
>are the standard.
>
>I have the utmost respect for
>Carlock and his EDGE, but
>it wont trump the Lapua,
>ever..The big draw to the
>EDGE is what i eluded
>to in an earlier post,
>the case head being compatible
>with the OEM '700 acton
>and tenon, thats it.

Thanks

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AWHOLELOTTABULL · Mar 20, 2014

Just what I witnessed there RED. Nothing more. I didn't just call a buddy and ask him. I was there and watched as they smoked all of our a$$es. Seals, or any other snipers in the military, shoot what the government pays for and what they allow them to shoot...unless they are competing for money. I'm not trying to snub the Lapua. I own one. And prior to that shoot I would have said the same thing you did. I was actually surprised when I chatted with them. I've also got friends that have been instructors at Quantico for 10+ years. They didn't believe it either. Their comment was this, "those guys won't ever see them in combat because the cost too F'n much!"

It's always an adventure!!!

REDDOG · Mar 21, 2014

LAST EDITED ON Mar-21-14 AT 10:03PM (MST)[p]OK..What is it about the edge that costs so much?

they shoot the same bullets
Brass is cheaper, being RP vs Lapua
they use the same barrel's
reamers are on the shelf at IT&D,PTG,Manson etc, cost no more than any other reamer.
Dies are the same cost from redding
there are more actions compatible with it than there is the LM,the custom actions cost the same for both
they use the same bottom metal/mags
a smith aint going to charge any more to plumb one.

I can understand that the argument is that the government isnt going to swap the LM out with the edge,yes that would be costly, and stupid, IMO. Why would you swap out a cart, with a cart that shoots the same bullets, at the same speed, and uses an longer case to do it? (think mag constraints here)

At any rate, one will do what the other does, and is likely a 6PPC vs 6BR argument.

If those guys ran the course with them, I'd bet they'd have done the same with a properly plumbed Norma or Lapua as well..another way to look it at, who were they shooting for and what were they pimping?